Do you agree that women should get paid maternity leave?

[her209]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

Its one thing to have a car accident and be in the ICU for a few weeks because some jackass wouldn't take 20 minutes out of their day to get the fvck off their damn cell phone to concentrate on controlling their gas guzzling, 4-ton, non-utilized, fashion statement. But the only way you can "accidentally" get pregnant is if you "accidentally" had sex.

 

[DannyLove]

Absolutely Not.

Its funny how women love to preach "equality" yet in sooo many cases, the double standard is out the door. Just like in this case. F that.

 

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I'm for maternity leave. I'm actually more for the whole stay at home mom thing. If you're going to have a kid, then that should be your priority, not a career.

whoah... hold on there sparky. You are making sense. There is NO place for that on ATOT, let alone in a thread like this which is better suited for knee-jerk, hard-ass reaction.

My employer (State of CA) pays 50% for either parent to stay at home with their newborn for a few months under the SDI/NDI program.

My wife stays at home with our 1yr old, as we are expecting another one in Dec. (see sig for pics) I totally support her staying at home because our son will benefit from it, even though our finances are tight after mortgage, insurance, etc. I'm all for paid maternity leave, but more importantly, I'd like to see parents taking care of their kids and being responsible for them instead of handing them off to daycare.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: akubi
is that clear enough?

No. Answer this question with a simple yes or no answer, and then I'll think that your position is consistent, even if I don't agree with it.

Here's the question:

I, akubi, would support a new law that prohibited companies from offering paid maternity leave to female employees.

Ok, that's not really a question, but if you answer "I agree", then I know where you stand.
If you answer "I disagree", then I still don't see how that view could be compatible with saying women shouldn't get paid maternity leave.

If you say "I agree" then at least I understand your position, if not your reasoning for it.

 

[Sloppy]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
It's painfully obvious who the authors of most of the posts in this thread are. Most of you will sing a different tune if you get married.

Or when they knock up their girl and find themselves struggling to make ends meet.

We didn't get maternity leave (my girlfriend was a college student) but food stamps and Medicaid pulled us through the first few years of diapers and fast-food wages.

Guess what? Now she's got her degree, has a full-time job, and is well on her way to her Master's degree. We no longer need government aid, we just bought our first house and are contributing, hard-working members of society. Heaven knows where we would be without that government help when times were tight.

I sure couldn't have paid for a delivery and checkups at 7 dollars an hour and no health insurance.

Government aid and assistance will always be necessary, because not everyone starts at the same level in life. It's easy to look down on those who are struggling with poverty and addictions when you've never been there.

I'm always sweet as sugar to the surly kid in the fast food restaurant, because it wasn't long ago that that was me, and I sure feel his pain.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I am against maternity leave being mandated by the gov't. I will not offer it in my business.

Ok, so everyone else *IS* answering the question "Should it be mandated by the government that all women get paid maternity leave?"

That's not what the poll says, nor is it anywhere in the original post, so I guess that's why I'm confused.

 

[Lola]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: LolaWiz

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
:| this thread rivals the diamond threads.

This was an eye opener to me.

If you disagree with someone, why don't you post your reasons? 😕

because there is no point in arguing with folks on here when they think what they think will always be right.

Why argue? Post what you think and be done with it unless someone provides a counterpoint that you think needs to be responded to. The problem with so many of these threads is that some think that someone is going to be dazzled by their persuasive skills to the point where they will post "oops you were right and I was wrong" instead of just expressing their opinion and being done with it.

Simply put... as a woman who has not had any children yet... just hearing from others... the time directly after having a child is a very critical time for both mom and baby, as well as the father.

Post-partum depression is quite common and is often times hard to cope with... just returning to work right after giving birth and having to deal with the stress of a career... i cannot imagine how difficult that would be.

I guess i am trying to say that it should not be MANDATORY, however, i would rather personally take a job that offered that as an extra than one that did not.

If my husband and i were to decide to have a child, i would not want to leave them the day after i give birth. I would want that time to bond with the child, breast feed, etc. It would be nice to not have to worry about money AS MUCH during this experience.
my .02.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I am against maternity leave being mandated by the gov't. I will not offer it in my business.

Ok, so everyone else *IS* answering the question "Should it be mandated by the government that all women get paid maternity leave?"

That's not what the poll says, nor is it anywhere in the original post, so I guess that's why I'm confused.

My interpretation of the poll was: How do you feel about maternity leave?

I didn't think it was asking about regulation. I've tried to state clearly that I don't think it should be regulated either way (must offer, must not offer), and that I'm against the idea in a business.

 

[torpid]

No, really though, isn't anyone else worried that jtvang is considering a sex change so he can wear t-shirts and sandals then take maternity leave?

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

So what you're saying, is that you can accidentally stick your dick in a woman and move back and forth multiple times? Man, I need to have your kind of accidents more often!

If I went out racing and got in a wreck, I wouldn't expect paid leave outside of my normal vacation/sick/PTO time. It was my decision to go racing and put myself at risk. The only people that should be getting paid leave from racing accidents are professional race car drivers. (because that can be considered an on the job accident) I took the risks, I got the rewards, I pay the costs. If I get hurt, it's my fault. Nobody here is going to cry for me when I'm out of work for six months because of broken legs. I was the dumbass who didn't use adaquate safety measures, and who decided that the risks were worth the thrill.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
It's painfully obvious who the authors of most of the posts in this thread are. Most of you will sing a different tune if you get married.

Most people will, because most people are selfish and will agree with whatever benefits them the most regardless of whether it is right or wrong in an absolute sense.

My opinion won't change. Having a baby is a choice. People should PLAN for that choice. If you can't afford a kid, DON'T HAVE ONE. You aren't ENTITLED to children just because you have the ability to reproduce.

Well, I feel as long as businesses aren't required to offer it as a benefit, its fine as is. If you're young and single, you'll be more attracted to a business that offers the higher pay. If you're itching to squirt out a couple kids you'll be attracted to the business that has parental leave. Just let the market sort it out.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I am against maternity leave being mandated by the gov't. I will not offer it in my business.

Ok, so everyone else *IS* answering the question "Should it be mandated by the government that all women get paid maternity leave?"

That's not what the poll says, nor is it anywhere in the original post, so I guess that's why I'm confused.

My interpretation of the poll was: How do you feel about maternity leave?

I didn't think it was asking about regulation. I've tried to state clearly that I don't think it should be regulated either way (must offer, must not offer), and that I'm against the idea in a business.

Ah, to clarify further (as if anyone cared 😉 ), I don't have a problem with mothers taking SOME time off of work for the child. However, don't expect me to offer to pay you for your time off in excess of vacation and sick time.

 

[KillyKillall]

Originally posted by: alien42
if they do then men should get paternity leave that is equal

I do with my company.

You guys sound like you're just bitching because you don't get something that someone else does. Way to go cry babies - keep america where no one really cares about family and slam them back into corporations...communists.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: LolaWiz

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
:| this thread rivals the diamond threads.

This was an eye opener to me.

If you disagree with someone, why don't you post your reasons? 😕

because there is no point in arguing with folks on here when they think what they think will always be right.

😕 Why post in the thread at all then? I mean you at least just post your feelings for others to ponder, even if you don't want to try and change some ones opinion. (Which is usually pretty impossible anyway.)

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: akubi
is that clear enough?

No. Answer this question with a simple yes or no answer, and then I'll think that your position is consistent, even if I don't agree with it.

Here's the question:

I, akubi, would support a new law that prohibited companies from offering paid maternity leave to female employees.

Ok, that's not really a question, but if you answer "I agree", then I know where you stand.
If you answer "I disagree", then I still don't see how that view could be compatible with saying women shouldn't get paid maternity leave.

If you say "I agree" then at least I understand your position, if not your reasoning for it.

i've already stated my positions enough times to answer your question hundred times over. if you still don't get it, then you have a reading comprehension problem. if anyone else doesn't understand my position plz speak up and i'll take time to reiterate, but if it's just you, notfred, then i'll just leave it at that and assume you are missing a few screws...

:lips:

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: isasir
Yes.

I'll change my vote to 'no' when women make the same amount as men. I feel it's fair they get paid maternity leave since there still a very real difference in salaries.

But women who decide not to have children do not get this progressive benefit?

For the past 7 years I have not used up all of my allocated sick days. I'm well aware that I lose them at the end of the year, but this doesn't motivate me to get sick on purpose.

Yes, but women have much more control over whether or not they get pregnant than you do over whether you get sick or not.

When did I say paid maternity leave motivates women to get pregnant on purpose?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: isasir
Yes.

I'll change my vote to 'no' when women make the same amount as men. I feel it's fair they get paid maternity leave since there still a very real difference in salaries.

But women who decide not to have children do not get this progressive benefit?

For the past 7 years I have not used up all of my allocated sick days. I'm well aware that I lose them at the end of the year, but this doesn't motivate me to get sick on purpose.

You're doing it wrong man, just call in sick when you aren't and sit around in your underwear all day.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: akubi
insults

Cool, keep your contradictory opinions and assume I'm insane.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
wow, a LOT of people are against it.

but i'm going to say i'm for paid maternity leave. why? well, a lot people are going with the argument that "its your decision to have a kid." but you know what? having a kid is a part of life. so to speak, it's the whole reason we're here as a species. so saying that it's someone's "decision" (although the way some of the people here are arguing, it's more like they're saying it's someone's "fault" for getting pregnant). and the whole equality in the workplace argument? bullsh*t. the day men start getting pregnant is the day i'll agree women don't deserve paid maternity leave. but i do agree with companies that offer paid maternity leave for the fathers as well. if i had a kid, you're damn right i'd want some time off to see him.

secondly, if a woman can't work while she's pregnant, and doesn't get paid... how the f*ck is she supposed to pay for all the expenses she has, in addition to paying for everything for the coming baby. i know some of you would claim that she should have saved up or something in advance, but what about unplanned pregnancies? are they somehow less deserving than a normal, upper-class well off family who did plan things out?

i think thats all i've got to say, flame away.
-WFBBERZERKER

P.S. HOWEVER.... i do believe that maternity can be abused, and that there are people dumb enough to have kids just for that reason. i don't offer any solutions to this problem, but i think as a whole, we're better off with it than without it.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

I don't go buy a house without finding a way to pay for it FIRST. Don't have a kid without looking into the responsibilities FIRST. Having a kid is a great responsibility. Only idiots rush into it.

you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

Responsibility for your own actions. A dying concept in this country.

So, as an employer, I should pay out $50,000 or so because someone 'accidentally' got pregnant? Why is that my problem?

and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

 

[z42]

Originally posted by: alien42
if they do then men should get paternity leave that is equal

:thumbsup:

I agree that it's a choice/consequence that is under their control. Employers should be forced to hold their position and allow them a reasonable time out of work dependant on the situation. They should not be forced to pay them for time off that would not be paid for a man who is out for a medical procedure.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

So what you're saying, is that you can accidentally stick your dick in a woman and move back and forth multiple times? Man, I need to have your kind of accidents more often!

If I went out racing and got in a wreck, I wouldn't expect paid leave outside of my normal vacation/sick/PTO time. It was my decision to go racing and put myself at risk. The only people that should be getting paid leave from racing accidents are professional race car drivers. (because that can be considered an on the job accident) I took the risks, I got the rewards, I pay the costs. If I get hurt, it's my fault. Nobody here is going to cry for me when I'm out of work for six months because of broken legs. I was the dumbass who didn't use adaquate safety measures, and who decided that the risks were worth the thrill.

what, you've never heard of married couples who aren't ready to have kids yet?

 

[Scarpozzi]

If they started getting paid maternity leave, they'd start getting knocked up all the time just to get time off or fake pregnancies and miscarraiges. They don't work hard enough as it is.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

So what you're saying, is that you can accidentally stick your dick in a woman and move back and forth multiple times? Man, I need to have your kind of accidents more often!

If I went out racing and got in a wreck, I wouldn't expect paid leave outside of my normal vacation/sick/PTO time. It was my decision to go racing and put myself at risk. The only people that should be getting paid leave from racing accidents are professional race car drivers. (because that can be considered an on the job accident) I took the risks, I got the rewards, I pay the costs. If I get hurt, it's my fault. Nobody here is going to cry for me when I'm out of work for six months because of broken legs. I was the dumbass who didn't use adaquate safety measures, and who decided that the risks were worth the thrill.

what, you've never heard of married couples who aren't ready to have kids yet?

I have. But should I feel sorry for someone who deposits his sperm into his wife expecting nature to not take it's course for the sole reason that they don't want it to?

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

So what you're saying, is that you can accidentally stick your dick in a woman and move back and forth multiple times? Man, I need to have your kind of accidents more often!

If I went out racing and got in a wreck, I wouldn't expect paid leave outside of my normal vacation/sick/PTO time. It was my decision to go racing and put myself at risk. The only people that should be getting paid leave from racing accidents are professional race car drivers. (because that can be considered an on the job accident) I took the risks, I got the rewards, I pay the costs. If I get hurt, it's my fault. Nobody here is going to cry for me when I'm out of work for six months because of broken legs. I was the dumbass who didn't use adaquate safety measures, and who decided that the risks were worth the thrill.

what, you've never heard of married couples who aren't ready to have kids yet?

I have. But should I feel sorry for someone who deposits his sperm into his wife expecting nature to not take it's course for the sole reason that they don't want it to?

there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
wow, a LOT of people are against it.

but i'm going to say i'm for paid maternity leave. why? well, a lot people are going with the argument that "its your decision to have a kid." but you know what? having a kid is a part of life. so to speak, it's the whole reason we're here as a species. so saying that it's someone's "decision" (although the way some of the people here are arguing, it's more like they're saying it's someone's "fault" for getting pregnant). and the whole equality in the workplace argument? bullsh*t. the day men start getting pregnant is the day i'll agree women don't deserve paid maternity leave. but i do agree with companies that offer paid maternity leave for the fathers as well. if i had a kid, you're damn right i'd want some time off to see him.

secondly, if a woman can't work while she's pregnant, and doesn't get paid... how the f*ck is she supposed to pay for all the expenses she has, in addition to paying for everything for the coming baby. i know some of you would claim that she should have saved up or something in advance, but what about unplanned pregnancies? are they somehow less deserving than a normal, upper-class well off family who did plan things out?

i think thats all i've got to say, flame away.
-WFBBERZERKER

P.S. HOWEVER.... i do believe that maternity can be abused, and that there are people dumb enough to have kids just for that reason. i don't offer any solutions to this problem, but i think as a whole, we're better off with it than without it.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

I don't go buy a house without finding a way to pay for it FIRST. Don't have a kid without looking into the responsibilities FIRST. Having a kid is a great responsibility. Only idiots rush into it.

you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

Responsibility for your own actions. A dying concept in this country.

So, as an employer, I should pay out $50,000 or so because someone 'accidentally' got pregnant? Why is that my problem?

and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.