Do we have the right to be racist?

[piasabird]

There are two lines of thought here:

1. Let every man that has been warned, warn his neighbor. This confused the Jews quite a bit when Jesus said it. If you recall from the teachings of Christ, he taught the story of the good samaritan.

Paraphrase:
There was a certain man that was making a journey and he was beat up by robbers who stole his goods and left him on the side of the road to die. A jew came by and saw him but kept going. A religious leader came by and crossed to the other side to avoid hime and kept on his way. A man not of his faith of mixed heritage (A samaritan), and he bandaged his wounds, took him to the inn, asked the inn keeper to care for him and left some money for his trouble, and promised to pay the remainder on his way back through the region. Then Jesus asked who was this mans neighbor. Of course it was the samaritan.

In the new testament a samaritan is a person that was a jew that married outside of the faith and was considered unclean. Why would Jesus use this kind of man in a parable? Jesus wanted to teach that even if a man is not a member of their faith, if he does good, then that man is good. Jesus did not teach jews to kill people not like them. God does not teach people to kill their neighbors, only evil people that would do them harm. It is man that does evil, not religion, and not God.

So why does the devil laugh? He has trapped you in his evil chain. You are his and your are going to hell. Maybe this is too religious.

Of course if you do not believe in God or religion, maybe to you there is no right or wrong.

Love thy neighbor as they self!

2. Kill thy neighbor. This comes from the Devil who is the author of hate and all lies.

Keep in mind that Slander is not illegal, but the person you slander has the right to file a law suit for damages. So speech may be free, but we can be forced to pay for what we say in court. Also if we incite wrongdoing against another we can also be charged with inciting a riot and mob violence. Beware of your own actions and how evil speaking will be visited back upon you when the people you injure start to hate you and they decide to commit acts of evil against you. Then the Devil will laugh as you die in your evil ways.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Yep. As long as it doesnt violate someone else's constitutional rights, youre free to do or say whatever you want. I can freely sit on a sidewalk and throw out racial epitaphs at whomever I want. It isnt against the law. I can refuse to cater to whatever religeous or racial group I want. Violates no one's rights.

I'm not so sure about that. If you go throwing epitaphs at someone, they could end up dead. Tombstones are heavy. If, on the other hand, you hurl epithets, you should be in the clear.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: joerick

Originally posted by: Duddy

How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

i think racism is the main reason of all wars.

You mean...more so than the lust for money and power?

 

[Cogman]

Sure, we have full right to be racist, so long as our racism doesn't negatively effect anyone. With that said, that is really not a whole lot of racism we can have.

Our right to believe whatever we want goes right up to the point where it can hurt someone. If we believe something strong enough to cause some sort of trauma to another person then we have crossed the line. I'm not just talking about physical trauma as well.

With that said, I think it is disgusting how racist some people are. There is no place in society for bigoted feelings towards another person solely based on circumstances they never had any control over (skin color ect.)

 

[piasabird]

RACISM = HATE + Bad Action

Racism usually means you want to disadvantage people who are not in your group based on their race, color, or creed. This could be anything from Genocide to just ignoring outsiders. This is nothing new. Mormons were prosecuted because they were different, and no one ever restored the lands the property that was stolen from them. Kind of like the Indians. So they left the midwest and took over what was the territory of Utah. Then president Polk tried to send the military out against them from complaints that an insurrection was going on. However, the military gets out there to find nothing but a bunch of peaceful people minding their own business. Hatred is strange.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In America you are free to hate anyone you want for any reason.

Yep. As long as it doesnt violate someone else's constitutional rights, youre free to do or say whatever you want. I can freely sit on a sidewalk and throw out racial epitaphs at whomever I want. It isnt against the law. I can refuse to cater to whatever religeous or racial group I want. Violates no one's rights.

That may be but if you are White you can get physically attacked while sitting on a sidewalk and spewing out racial epitaphs and if the attacker is a minority they will more than likely get off scott free.

Hell, most of the time you don't even have to even say the racial epitaphs, they just say you did and they usually get a free pass. So while you maybe within your rights to spew it, it can also invite open season on you will little if any consequences for the attacker.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In America you are free to hate anyone you want for any reason.

Yep. As long as it doesnt violate someone else's constitutional rights, youre free to do or say whatever you want. I can freely sit on a sidewalk and throw out racial epitaphs at whomever I want. It isnt against the law. I can refuse to cater to whatever religeous or racial group I want. Violates no one's rights.

That may be but if you are White you can get physically attacked while sitting on a sidewalk and spewing out racial epitaphs and if the attacker is a minority they will more than likely get off scott free.

Hell, most of the time you don't even have to even say the racial epitaphs, they just say you did and they usually get a free pass. So while you maybe within your rights to spew it, it can also invite open season on you will little if any consequences for the attacker.

Unfortunately I think you are right. If Im walking down the street and a non-white person calls me cracker and I beat him down, its a hate crime.

*thought* I wonder how many minorities (race, sexual orientation, etc) get prosecuted for hate crimes...

 

[sportage]

This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.
Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: sportage
This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

Whiskey

Fuckin Tango

Foxtrot

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: piasabird
RACISM = HATE + Bad Action

Racism usually means you want to disadvantage people who are not in your group based on their race, color, or creed. This could be anything from Genocide to just ignoring outsiders. This is nothing new. Mormons were prosecuted because they were different, and no one ever restored the lands the property that was stolen from them. Kind of like the Indians. So they left the midwest and took over what was the territory of Utah. Then president Polk tried to send the military out against them from complaints that an insurrection was going on. However, the military gets out there to find nothing but a bunch of peaceful people minding their own business. Hatred is strange.

Let's not be forgetting the Mountain Meadows Massacre...or are they teaching that it wasn't the Mormon Church behind that nowadays?

 

[JulesMaximus]

What is wrong with recognizing the accomplishments of a people we have oppressed for centuries? That isn't racism.

And you're out of your fucking mind if you think anyone with half a brain supports the National Association for the Advancement of White People. :roll:

 

[Cold Steel]

Originally posted by: sportage
This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.
Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

That's just about the dumbest f*cking thing I have ever heard.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The first thing you learn in life is that you are no good and that all the pain in the world that others suffer is your fault. You deserve to hurt because you hurt others. So your first racism is against your own self. After that you project your own self hate onto others.

Every post you make seems to be the same old rehashed bullshit about everyone hating themselves. It's novelty wore off a long time ago.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: sportage
This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.
Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

You don't have the first fucking clue about slavery, the old South, and the political party that wanted to continue to keep blacks down, do you?

 

[CPA]

I prefer to call it intolerance. We're all intolerant of something. In fact, you would probably be intolerant of me for some of things I am intolerant of.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What is wrong with recognizing the accomplishments of a people we have oppressed for centuries? That isn't racism.

Nothing wrong with it when we as a whole do it.

However when minorities demand equality for all in every aspect of life then intentionally segregate themselves in their race only events like their own award shows, pageants etc.., have specific race devoted TV networks, movies, or organizations that are dedicated to a specific race it becomes nothing but hypocritical reverse racism.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
And you're out of your fucking mind if you think anyone with half a brain supports the National Association for the Advancement of White People. :roll:

Why not?

If everyone is so tolerant of other organizations committed to the betterment of their race what is wrong with Whites having the same? Believe it or not there is a whole lot of poor misfortunate White kids that could use the benefit of scholarships and other help just like everyone else.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

Uh then how do you explain the KKK, lots of whites being oppressed by blacks or something? No offense but those organizations would be erected regardless of how people were treated. Because there are racists in all races and they like to get together to strokes each others rascist thought processes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The first thing you learn in life is that you are no good and that all the pain in the world that others suffer is your fault. You deserve to hurt because you hurt others. So your first racism is against your own self. After that you project your own self hate onto others.

Every post you make seems to be the same old rehashed bullshit about everyone hating themselves. It's novelty wore off a long time ago.

Ah, but you see, its truth is yet to penetrate and it is that truth alone that can keep us from going extinct since we are motivated to create our worst nightmares.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sportage
This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.
Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

You have to be kidding me. Which effing party pushed for the end of slavery and which party stood in the way?

Heres a hint, Abe Lincoln wasnt a democrat.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CPA
I prefer to call it intolerance. We're all intolerant of something. In fact, you would probably be intolerant of me for some of things I am intolerant of.

The things I don't like about you are the things that remind me of myself.

 

[Duddy]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sportage
This gets me about republicans.
In that, if we had slavery today, most republicans and certainly Rush L. would be for it.
Or at least in favor NOT to abolish slavery.

Back in the days of slavery, slaves were wealth.
Owners had a lot invested in them, owned them, slaves were as important as
stocks, your home or car, it was wealth.

I can not believe, in todays world of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and
their stance against the social security system as we know it, or anything big goverment, that conservative republicans would be for taking away the wealth that owning slaves meant.
It just doesn?t fit conservative republican thinking.

No more than giving up tax cuts to help the poor, or suporting government programs
to favor the less fortunate. Rush would have plenty of reasons not to abolish slavery.

You have to be kidding me. Which effing party pushed for the end of slavery and which party stood in the way?

:thumbsup:
Heres a hint, Abe Lincoln wasnt a democrat.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: CPA
I prefer to call it intolerance. We're all intolerant of something. In fact, you would probably be intolerant of me for some of things I am intolerant of.

Well, I don't think you have the right to be intolerant of people honoring/feeling proud of the accomplishments of others of their race throughout a history of intolerance. Nor is it in good taste, and I think that's really the important part of what I'm saying.

Suck it up and deal with Black History Month. It's not a bad thing and I don't think it promotes racism or hatred...at least not as a concept. I can certainly accept it...and I'm white!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
It also deffinitely IS genetic. Thats not saying you can't stop it, but its hardwired into peoples thought processes, the belief that if you raise a kid away from the world then they won't be predjudiced in any way is BS, you have to train people to NOT be racist not the other way around.

That is total BS. Go to a play ground and watch children around 2 or 3 play. They don?t care about the color or the sex of the person they are playing with. To them a playmate is a playmate.

It isn?t until they get older and are taught racism that they don?t hang out with blacks or Hispanics etc etc.

It has also been proven that people will self segregate themselves when given the chance. Set up a room with a bunch of tables and then introduce a large crowd of people who don?t know each other and ask everyone to pick a table and you will see that people will sit with people similar to them in some way (older people together, younger together, blacks/whites together etc.)

I read a story years ago about a wealthy neighborhood in Atlanta that was nearly all black. These were well to do people that could live any where and decided that they wanted to live with other well to do blacks.

 

[ahurtt]

It has nothing to do with whether or not we have the right to be racist. Prejudices are a natural fact of life. They are part of our innate survival instincts. You could outlaw all organizations which advocate special interests of all ethnicities/races/genders/sexual orientations tomorrow but it wouldn't change human nature. It's one thing to change a law, but another thing entirely to change a person's heart and mind. Changing laws is easy. What's tough is getting people to change their ways. It is these natural and innate tendencies that we must learn to overlook and overcome if we are to be a civilized world. But you can't just get rid of them because sometimes they do in fact serve us well and warn us of real danger.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
It also deffinitely IS genetic. Thats not saying you can't stop it, but its hardwired into peoples thought processes, the belief that if you raise a kid away from the world then they won't be predjudiced in any way is BS, you have to train people to NOT be racist not the other way around.

I wouldn't say it's genetic so much as just the natural order of things among all species, not just human beings. It occurs in the wild among animals just like it does in human beings. That's where we get sayings like "birds of a feather flock together." Because they really do. It's safety in numbers.