Do we have the right to be racist?

[Duddy]

Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

 

[Craig234]

Well, there are a few things to say.

One, there is something to human nature about how people react to those who are different, about how they form 'tribes' with friends and enemies, how they pursue power; watch young children some time and see how they can act badly towards the minority or disabled child, for example, to see what's nearly innate; it's actually a learned behavior, IMO, to overcome some of those natural tendencies.

There's still 'homosexual prejudice', there's still religious prejudice - you exhibit that yourself, as you single out 'Extreme Islam' without a word about 'Extreme Christians' and others. There's still nationalism making people dehumanize other people.

The answer to your question - we have the legal right to be racist as a matter of freedom; we don't have the moral right to do so. By the way do you support equal marital rights for gays?

 

[CycloWizard]

We do have a right to be racist. Racism is simply a collective stereotyping based on superficial features, essentially a generalization to an entire group based on your own limited experiences with a subset of that group (or experiences relayed to you by others). It is obviously beneficial from an evolutionary viewpoint: if I see a lion, I shouldn't throw rocks at him. In today's society, this form of stereotyping is not entirely without value, but becomes problematic when it leads to bigotry. In other words, if I believe my own stereotyping to a fault and refuse to acknowledge that any member of the group could behave in a manner contrary to my stereotype, then I have a problem. Since this is an ingrained behavior that is modulated by the individual based on a variety of factors, it's not something you can (nor probably should) try to legislate away.

 

[StageLeft]

It may not be genetic, but it is cultural. All cultures in history always have and will look for other groups unlike themselves to demonize. Whether it's political party, country of origin, language, religion, race, always something.

And to get back to those parties, I think that their "accepted" endorsement of racism, since they do that, hold back to some mild degree a learned behavior reduction in racism.

 

[BrownTown]

It also deffinitely IS genetic. Thats not saying you can't stop it, but its hardwired into peoples thought processes, the belief that if you raise a kid away from the world then they won't be predjudiced in any way is BS, you have to train people to NOT be racist not the other way around.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

 

[Moonbeam]

The first thing you learn in life is that you are no good and that all the pain in the world that others suffer is your fault. You deserve to hurt because you hurt others. So your first racism is against your own self. After that you project your own self hate onto others.

 

[MovingTarget]

The right to be racist? Yes. You cannot and should not legislate thought and opinion. The actions you take, however are a different story. Violence and active discrimination (housing, employment, etc.) can and should be legislated.

Remember, everyone's a little bit racist...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

In America you are free to hate anyone you want for any reason.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The first thing you learn in life is that you are no good and that all the pain in the world that others suffer is your fault. You deserve to hurt because you hurt others. So your first racism is against your own self. After that you project your own self hate onto others.

LOL.....sorry moon...you must have had one shitty childhood.......but unlike you most of us had parents that loved and nurtured us so that we would not feel that way.

I don't hate you because I do not hate myself.....I just think you're stupid.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Duddy
The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

This isn't racism, but religious fanaticism and intolerance. As in: My religion is right and yours is wrong, so you must die.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The first thing you learn in life is that you are no good and that all the pain in the world that others suffer is your fault. You deserve to hurt because you hurt others. So your first racism is against your own self. After that you project your own self hate onto others.

LOL.....sorry moon...you must have had one shitty childhood.......but unlike you most of us had parents that loved and nurtured us so that we would not feel that way.

I don't hate you because I do not hate myself.....I just think you're stupid.

No, you think you're stupid because it's how you were made to feel. You just project it onto me. You suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

Ahh I get it, "reverse" racism is okay?

Bolded Response: Because those you listed are nationalities. Black isn't a nationality. Did you know that some black people aren't African-American!?

BTW: I hate all dashed american names, Johny Cash had it right. I'm not an Italian-American or a European-American, I'm a goddamned American and so is everyone else that is a citizen of this country.

 

[Painman]

In America, there are still several generations of people who are hidebound by Racism, whether learned via parents or learned via the "reverse racism" of the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

In America, you have the fundamental right to be an asshole. Of course you have the right to be racist. One important reason for preserving the right to be racist is recognizing how many walking wounded there are out there from the battles of decades past, people from all races. Those people will always be racist, and not necessarily by choice or parental teaching. The healing process will progress upon its natural, inevitable course by way of those people dying and being buried. My generation is among the last of those who had to fight in an active race war, and our psychological baggage will die with us.

Good riddance to it when it finally does.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

Ahh I get it, "reverse" racism is okay?

Bolded Response: Because those you listed are nationalities. Black isn't a nationality. Did you know that some black people aren't African-American!?

BTW: I hate all dashed american names, Johny Cash had it right. I'm not an Italian-American or a European-American, I'm a goddamned American and so is everyone else that is a citizen of this country.

Those listed in that context are cultures. Same as things like Italian, Irish, etc. You can get Italian channels in the US.

 

[joerick]

Originally posted by: Duddy

How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

i think racism is the main reason of all wars.

 

[Duddy]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Well, there are a few things to say.

One, there is something to human nature about how people react to those who are different, about how they form 'tribes' with friends and enemies, how they pursue power; watch young children some time and see how they can act badly towards the minority or disabled child, for example, to see what's nearly innate; it's actually a learned behavior, IMO, to overcome some of those natural tendencies.

There's still 'homosexual prejudice', there's still religious prejudice - you exhibit that yourself, as you single out 'Extreme Islam' without a word about 'Extreme Christians' and others. There's still nationalism making people dehumanize other people.

The answer to your question - we have the legal right to be racist as a matter of freedom; we don't have the moral right to do so. By the way do you support equal marital rights for gays?

Yes, I support all peaceful rights. Including gay marriage.

I do not support anything that is violent or subjective.


Hmm, I think I might be a hippie.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

Ahh I get it, "reverse" racism is okay?

Bolded Response: Because those you listed are nationalities. Black isn't a nationality. Did you know that some black people aren't African-American!?

BTW: I hate all dashed american names, Johny Cash had it right. I'm not an Italian-American or a European-American, I'm a goddamned American and so is everyone else that is a citizen of this country.

No racism is not okay. But you are being disingenuous when you say institutions and organizations that were created in response to US Jim Crow policies are simply racist. Are Jews and other minorities welcome into the White Masons?

Include AZN and other such cable tv channels in your list.

 

[Deeko]

Duddy, your sig mentions Ron Paul, and you want to create a law that bans anything and everything regarding race? You're a disgrace to your hero!

 

[BoomerD]

IMO, you have the RIGHT to be racist, as no one has the right to tell you how to think, but you do NOT have the right to treat people like shit because of your racist views.
That does NOT mean you have to run down to the ghetto and invite the homies up for coffee, nor to you have to have the local gay/lesbian club to the house for a BBQ. You have the RIGHT to free association in your personal life. Don't like Blacks, Hispanics, Gays/ Asians? Don't associate with them in your "off time" any more than you have to in a public setting. If you're in the store, you can't scream at the stupid Black/Asian/Hispanic/Indian checker or bag boy...but you don't have to be buddy0buddy with them either.
At work however, that's a beast of a different kind. Again, you don't have to be their best friend, but you DO have to treat them with basic civility.


I'm not one of the most liberal people in the world, yet I manage to avoid being the center of race riots at work, at school, etc...but my neighbors on one side and I aren't "good neighbors," and maintain a barely civil relationship...because the law requires it.

 

[Atreus21]

I think the general rule that prohibits racism, and similarly sexism, is that it's wrong to penalize someone for something over which they have no control, and hence no responsibility.

I understand that on an individual level, people are subject to petty prejudices against things like skin color, sex, and other non-changeable qualities. The law is right to prohibit, or at least to attempt to prohibit, racism on an institutional scale. However, it contradicts itself when affirmative action policies are permitted.

That's my beef with the racism argument. Too many people are okay with affirmative action. Affirmative Action is judging someone by the color of their skin rather than quality of character. That is racism.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In America you are free to hate anyone you want for any reason.

Yes but only if you are a minority can you voice that hate, or wear it on your sleeve for all to see and not be considered a racist.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that you have every right to be a racist just as everyone else has every right to laugh at you for being one. As long as you don't physically infringe on people based on that racism.....who cares.

You can even actively get out and try to get referendums and laws passed too based on it. You will be rightfully (or should be anyway) shot down and ridiculed for your narrowminded stances.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Duddy
Black Mason's

White Mason's

Black History Month

The KKK

The Black Panther Party

National Association for the Advancement of White People

The Nation of Islam

BET


How can we put racism behind us if people continue to support these organizations? Why can't we be just "Human"?

Racism is not genetic, it's a philosophy that's tought to children by their parents. If we just, overnight, implemented a law against against events and organizations that segregate, we could see a revolution in this country.

The only remaining problem would be Extreme Islam.

The Black Masons, Black History Month, The Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, and BET exist because of the historical racism of the US. If people of African ancestry had not been oppressed then these organizations would not exist because would not have been a need for them.

Please do some research on the history of people of African ancestry in the US.

Why isn't there an outcry about Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese content dedicated television channels?

Ahh I get it, "reverse" racism is okay?

Bolded Response: Because those you listed are nationalities. Black isn't a nationality. Did you know that some black people aren't African-American!?

BTW: I hate all dashed american names, Johny Cash had it right. I'm not an Italian-American or a European-American, I'm a goddamned American and so is everyone else that is a citizen of this country.

No racism is not okay. But you are being disingenuous when you say institutions and organizations that were created in response to US Jim Crow policies are simply racist. Are Jews and other minorities welcome into the White Masons?

Include AZN and other such cable tv channels in your list.

Don't forget Telemundo and another one, plus most cable or satellite providers have packages in other languages.

I'm kind of on the fence about this.

I don't like the idea about people losing their roots and forgetting their ancesters, but at the same time if you are always looking back and using it as a crutch you will never get anywhere in this life or the next.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In America you are free to hate anyone you want for any reason.

Yep. As long as it doesnt violate someone else's constitutional rights, youre free to do or say whatever you want. I can freely sit on a sidewalk and throw out racial epitaphs at whomever I want. It isnt against the law. I can refuse to cater to whatever religeous or racial group I want. Violates no one's rights.