Do the religious hate athiests in America?

[JEDIYoda]

Atheists hate as much as theists and have committed plenty of awful things, not in the name of religion, but because they don't feel they have to answer to anything.

accurate and well said!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does not exist.

hahahhaaa....something has to exist....

 

[JEDIYoda]

I find it hard to respect anyone who is religious, since I think they lack the ability to think for themselves but I don't hate them. I also find die hard atheists as annoying as religious zealots.
I don't care what you believe but I don't want to hear about it.

I can agree with that statement! But let me add...I would much rather know by somebody`s actions and how they treat their fellow human......

 

[JEDIYoda]

You are missing his point.

actually you are missing his point or your a part of his point.......it runs in the family....

 

[sandorski]

hahahhaaa....something has to exist....

Yes, Subjective Morality.

 

[piasabird]

Do you just hate everyone that isn't an atheist? Everyone has a right to their opinion. If you ask for a person's opinion, don't complain when they give it. You asked for it. God will accept no man with hate in their heart. Their is a place reserved for haters.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes, Subjective Morality.

http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/subjective-morality-not-what-it-seems/

There are those who would agree with you that subjective morality does exist but not exactly as you think.....

Subjective morality – not what it seems?

Religious apologists claim morality is objective and moral truths or laws need a divine lawmaker. But, in my last post, Objective or subjective laws and lawgivers, I suggested if a divine lawmaker imposed the laws of nature on reality that would make them subjective – arising out of the whims, desires and fancies of the lawmaker and not out of objectively existing matter/energy and its interconnections.

Similarly, the “objective mortality’ or “divine command ethics” of the religious apologist really describes a subjective morality. A morality based on the whims and fancies of the divine lawmaker and open to the charge of relativism. (This interpretation is consistent with differing moral codes of different religions. Their lack of consistency has all the hallmarks of arbitrary whims and fancies).

Religious “objective morality” is caught in a dilemma here – the Euthyphro Dilemma. Is what their god commands good because their god commands it (a subjective morality open to relativism)? Or is what their god commands good for some other reason (providing for some sort of objectivity, and the possibility that we humans may also discover that objective basis for our morality).

So, while religious apologists love to talk about “objective morality” this is a misnomer. Their morality is actually subjective – and usually relativist. On the other hand, some (but not all) non-religious commenters describe their morality as “subjective.” Are there also problems with the way they use that term?

First off, I think some people may use the term simply as a reaction to claims of “objective morality” by the religious. Mind you I think some non-religious also describe their morality as objective (eg. Sam Harris) because they do not wish to concede objectivity to the religious alone.... there is more.....

oh look Sam Harris is mentioned......

 

[WelshBloke]

more Atheist talking points..lololol....
As in No Atheists can`t be part of the problem....ok....

One question are atheists people???

Then I guess they can be part of the problem!

Atheists can certainly be part of any problems in the same way any other arbitrary group can be. But it wouldn't be their atheism informing them. Atheism only has one point, the non existence of any gods. It doesn't say anything about morality.

 

[WelshBloke]

More Atheist talking points! Unless an Atheist is not actually a person....

I'll try and address the points you added (not easy on a mobile phone).

Of course it's not ok for me to act as I like but that's got nothing to do with my atheism.

Of course I believe that. The only behaviour atheism speaks about is the belief in a god. Any other behaviour has nothing to do with it.

You can be bad and an atheist but the only way to be a bad atheist is to say that you are one whilst believing in a god. There's lots more ways to be a bad Christian.

Why is that not true? What other behaviour do I need to have to be an Atheist apart from a lack of belief in gods?

 

[bradly1101]

I guess I'm an atheiest (although I agree with what the Buddha said, he was just a dude with no powers like Jesus, Mohamed or their respective Gods), but I get religion. Having faith feels good. When others are in agreement the good feelings grow exponentially. We belong. And I believe that the origins of religion (not its interpretation) were based in love, respect and belonging. Religion seems like a natural extension of humanity. The churches I've been to were wonderfully social. I think that some folks secretly go mainly to be around others.

But as the above JPEG shows religion in many places and ways has turned into a cancer that is eating at humanity. Like a cancer it can mutate the faithful into hateful and/or violent beings, and the hate feeds on itself. Again faith along with the shared experience feels good. The hate grows exponentially.

What religion was and is are very different things.

There are of course the very pious who are perfectly wonderful people, and aren't in it for the hate. Those who love don't shout, they listen.

 

[Oldgamer]

But isn't religion supposed to enforce a code of morality upon its followers?

Christianity is supposed to involve forgiveness, turning the other cheek and the like, yes? If it's followers fail at that what's the point of it?

If you need religion to keep you moral and or keep you from doing something you know is wrong, then there is something really wrong with that. Most people understand right and wrong and morals without having to use religion as a way to keep them from doing wrong.

Quoted from Sam Harris: The notion that the Bible is a perfect guide to morality is really quite amazing, given the contents of the book. Human sacrifice, genocide, slaveholding, and misogyny are consistently celebrated. Of course, God’s counsel to parents is refreshingly straightforward: whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24, 20:30, and 23:13–14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18–21, Mark 7:9–13, and Matthew 15:4–7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshiping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes.

If religion were necessary for morality, there should be some evidence that atheists are less moral than believers.

 

[rudeguy]

If you need religion to keep you moral and or keep you from doing something you know is wrong, then there is something really wrong with that. Most people understand right and wrong and morals without having to use religion as a way to keep them from doing wrong.

Quoted from Sam Harris: The notion that the Bible is a perfect guide to morality is really quite amazing, given the contents of the book. Human sacrifice, genocide, slaveholding, and misogyny are consistently celebrated. Of course, God’s counsel to parents is refreshingly straightforward: whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24, 20:30, and 23:13–14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18–21, Mark 7:9–13, and Matthew 15:4–7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshiping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes.

If religion were necessary for morality, there should be some evidence that atheists are less moral than believers.

You are arguing against the Jewish, not Christians. You are also arguing for a moral law while saying God does not exist. If God does not exist, where did the moral law come from?

 

[Retro Rob]

If you need religion to keep you moral and or keep you from doing something you know is wrong, then there is something really wrong with that. Most people understand right and wrong and morals without having to use religion as a way to keep them from doing wrong.

Quoted from Sam Harris: The notion that the Bible is a perfect guide to morality is really quite amazing, given the contents of the book. Human sacrifice, genocide, slaveholding, and misogyny are consistently celebrated. Of course, God’s counsel to parents is refreshingly straightforward: whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24, 20:30, and 23:13–14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18–21, Mark 7:9–13, and Matthew 15:4–7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshiping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes.

If religion were necessary for morality, there should be some evidence that atheists are less moral than believers.

I don't recall anyone saying "religion" was necessary for morality, and the Bible is much more than a moral "code" anyway.

Its a book telling of man's past, with a hope for a future far better than what humans can offer.

For Harris, or anyone else, to isolate several verses and extrapolate from there means that they simply do what they accuse us of doing; picking and choosing what fits their assumptions better.

Its a method exceptionally utilized by the irreligious and religious alike.

 

[IronWing]

You are arguing against the Jewish, not Christians. You are also arguing for a moral law while saying God does not exist. If God does not exist, where did the moral law come from?

Each person develops their own moral code (or to be pedantic, their own code of ethics). Persons holding religious beliefs might choose to ascribe the source of their ethical codes to thier god(s). Atheists, if they think about it at all, would recognize themselves as the source of their codes.

Anyway, I don't hate theists, one of my best friends is a theist.

 

[rudeguy]

Each person develops their own moral code (or to be pedantic, their own code of ethics). Persons holding religious beliefs might choose to ascribe the source of their ethical codes to thier god(s). Atheists, if they think about it at all, would recognize themselves as the source of their codes.

no cheating

I'm trying to get OG to think for himself for a minute instead of quoting people

 

[Siddhartha]

I think humans at a very basic level think and act based on an us vs. them system. It does not take much to be a "them". So yes, I do think some religious hate anyone who does not completely agree them.

 

[rudeguy]

I think humans at a very basic level think and act based on an us vs. them system. It does not take much to be a "them". So yes, I do think some religious hate anyone who does not completely agree them.

that is not the question

The question isn't what do you think other people do, the question is what do *you* do?

 

[sandorski]

Each person develops their own moral code (or to be pedantic, their own code of ethics). Persons holding religious beliefs might choose to ascribe the source of their ethical codes to thier god(s). Atheists, if they think about it at all, would recognize themselves as the source of their codes.

Anyway, I don't hate theists, one of my best friends is a theist.

You're not wrong, but the Code also exists on the Communal level and informs Individuals codes.

 

[Oldgamer]

You are arguing against the Jewish, not Christians. You are also arguing for a moral law while saying God does not exist. If God does not exist, where did the moral law come from?

No, morals do not come from any religious book like the bible, Koran or other said book, they are fundamental principles of good conduct that is based on the customs of the majority of people. They are basic human rules that most people know in their "gut" what is right and wrong. A child knows it is wrong to steal and or to hurt another.. and so do grown adults. You don't need a religious book to tell you that.

The problem I have with ANY religion especially that of Christians is that they think they will be forgiven and every thing is ok once they do something really wrong. This leads to a perpetual "get out of jail for free" mentality so to speak when they do something wrong.

In addition they also believe that the only thing holding back chaos in the world is their "good book" and the thought of going to hell. It's all nonsense. If we had no religion what so ever in this world people would still understand what is inherently wrong or right. A normal person isn't going to go out killing and raping the minute they decide they no longer believe in some omnipotent being watching them from the sky.

Even animals other than human beings have a sense of right and wrong and moral conduct believe it or not. You can study apes, chimpanzees, dolphins, elephants, wolves, and see they all as a group will correct an individual that does something outside of their normal code of conduct.

 

[Oldgamer]

Another good quote from this guy Sam Harris:

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”

 

[dank69]

LOL...I'm a Christian and don't like unsolicited preaching either. Imagine that! On one hand you say that you don't hate religious people...then on the other you say that you do hate organized religions of any type. What exactly do you hate about organized religion?

Most organized religion boils down to reinforcing the idea that people in your group are better than everyone else. Of course, most don't realize that is what it is all about, but that is what it is all about once you get down to brass tacks. True religion is between you and your god and nobody else. I'll also add that any god that is impressed by public displays of your devotion to him is a petty, worthless god.

 

[zinfamous]

Is that a world record for the tallest .jpg ????

I bet longcat is taller.

:hmm:

 

[WelshBloke]

Another good quote from this guy Sam Harris:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Another good quote from this guy Sam Harris:

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”

Sam Harris has been debunked over and over....

 

[sandorski]

Sam Harris has been debunked over and over....

The dude has been debunked? He doesn't exist?