Do the religious hate athiests in America?

[Doc Savage Fan]

Agnostic. Don't hate religious people. Don't like unsolicited preaching. Hate organized religion of any type.

LOL...I'm a Christian and don't like unsolicited preaching either. Imagine that! On one hand you say that you don't hate religious people...then on the other you say that you do hate organized religions of any type. What exactly do you hate about organized religion?

 

[LunarRay]

There is not much difference between a believer and an atheist except the atheist includes one more god to disbelieve in than does the typical believer.

I think it was Hitchens who said, "Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer.”

There is a corollary to that that goes something like: Name me an immoral act performed in the name of Religion...

I'm not an Atheist but neither do I put my senses in a safe when I peer into the reality before me... I do not hate as that is a waste of my energy. I simply question the thinking of those that do.

 

[Moonbeam]

LOL...I'm a Christian and don't like unsolicited preaching either. Imagine that! On one hand you say that you don't hate religious people...then on the other you say that you do hate organized religions of any type. What exactly do you hate about organized religion?

I think we should all fear fear and the terror of uncertainty expressed as fanatical certainty, clinging to texts and externals to patch over inner doubt and fear.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think we should all fear fear and the terror of uncertainty expressed as fanatical certainty, clinging to texts and externals to patch over inner doubt and fear.

And I would agree...but the innate social nature of homo sapiens is to herd and to be herded. I personally don't have a problem with that...when they are ready, they will see. God is pretty cool that way.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Then from what source does an atheist derive objective morality?

The same place Christians derive square circles.

 

[Kadarin]

I used to work closely with a Muslim guy at a previous job, and on one slow day our whole group had a conversation about religion that ended up being quite respectful. However, this Muslim guy simply could not wrap his head around the fact that I do not believe in any kind of higher power. If I were any specific kind of religion, he would have understood, but I'm not.

As a non-theistic agnostic, I certainly can't tell him or anyone else that their faith is wrong, just that I don't believe in it as well.

I do think that some kinds of people tend to fear/hate that which they do not understand; if I'm right, that explains some of the hatred.

 

[LunarRay]

And I would agree...but the innate social nature of homo sapiens is to herd and to be herded. I personally don't have a problem with that...when they are ready, they will see. God is pretty cool that way.

Sorry, but I'm a Toy breed!

But, the topic is hate.... I wonder if the Catholic in the Northern part of Ireland really hate the Protestant and visa versa? Seems they do and neither hate the atheist nor does the atheist hate either of them... Puzzled by their insanity, yes! Whereas in say... Baghdad the Sunni hates the Shia and both don't care too much for the atheist. Here the Christian proclaims the LDS to be a cult... next step is purification and what else but hate produces that notion.

I think hate is held by the religious and not by the non-believer. Why the religious can hate with such vigor seems to indicate the Eleventh Commandment should be, "Thou shalt hate". I mean... the God who created the eternal BBQ didn't do so out of love... so given we are suppose to be created in his image.... we are filled with hate until we liberate both hate and religion from our being...
Religion is not God... it is man deciding who or what God is. As if the same folks who think Earth is less than 10,000 years old can decide anything correctly.

 

[Doppel]

Atheists hate as much as theists and have committed plenty of awful things, not in the name of religion, but because they don't feel they have to answer to anything.

 

[theeedude]

No, they just believe that the religious person is beneath them.

Exactly, but not that he's going to hell or is a sinner.

 

[sandorski]

Then from what source does an atheist derive objective morality?

Does not exist.

 

[jackstar7]

Atheists hate as much as theists and have committed plenty of awful things, not in the name of religion, but because they don't feel they have to answer to anything.

Law? Or were these "awful things" still lawful?

 

[Nebor]

Religion hating atheist here.

 

[Doppel]

Law? Or were these "awful things" still lawful?

When I mean awful I mean on a national level; Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un. They are the law and I rather doubt they each went to bed each night sick to their stomach over what they did.

 

[nickbits]

I find it hard to respect anyone who is religious, since I think they lack the ability to think for themselves but I don't hate them. I also find die hard atheists as annoying as religious zealots.
I don't care what you believe but I don't want to hear about it.

 

[TerryMathews]

Exactly, but not that he's going to hell or is a sinner.

Why would that bother an athiest?

"I damn you to a place you dont believe exists."

 

[jackstar7]

When I mean awful I mean on a national level; Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un. They are the law and I rather doubt they each went to bed each night sick to their stomach over what they did.

So your hypothesis is that religion would have prevented these psychopaths, because it would have made them believe that their terrible actions had consequences. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[WelshBloke]

Why would that bother an athiest?

"I damn you to a place you dont believe exists."

If it all stopped at
"you're going to hell. "
"Don't care, don't believe. "
It would probably be better all round but the conversation is never that brief.

 

[Moonbeam]

And I would agree...but the innate social nature of homo sapiens is to herd and to be herded. I personally don't have a problem with that...when they are ready, they will see. God is pretty cool that way.

I believe that my point about the origin of a need for certainty as a result of the misplaced attempt to replace real self respect with the delusional faith in the literal accuracy of texts, replace self doubt with external proclaimed God accuracy, is the same mechanism that causes the maladaptive herding instinct common in conservative morality. Both are generated by emotional needs that are unhealthy, namely self hate. They are both the result of ego identification, the cloaking of the ego in something of external authoritarian worth and are easily caught by those who lack proper auto-immunity, real self understanding. In the first case the great value of faith in a supreme being as accorded by organized religion is assumed by the worshiping ego, I am good because I worship the ultimate good, and in the second case, I am good because I identify with the best group, my kind of people.

In its true and healthy form the desire for spiritual truth and the love of people aren't based on ego need but, I think, are a natural reaction of a normal healthy human being. One is secure in ones own being and empathetic towards all people, seeing the truth in religion and the value of every person. One is and doesn't have to be certain of anything because to be and to know are the same thing.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The sad fact is that most Christians can't quote any scripture.--maybe the ones that you know, but that really is not true! They can tell you what the preacher told them the Bible says, but they can't quote any of it.

How many Christians have you honestly heard tell someone they are going to hell? --Christians who practice love and humility and care about other -- I would tell you none!! Please give me an example of the last time you heard that with your own ears. -- I have never heard except from the pulpit another Christian tell somebody they are going to hell!!
As for your last argument, I can only tell you that no one is perfect. Also the loudest ones tend to be the ones with the most imperfections.

You obviously do not know any real Christians......

 

[JEDIYoda]

Correction: Hateful people hate. It's what they do. Religious hateful people may use their religion to justify hate. Non-religious hateful people will find a different excuse. The problem is the person, not the religion or lack thereof.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Atheism is irrelevant to this. Atheism does not involve a moral code and doesn't have anything to do with people's behaviour.

more Atheist talking points..lololol....
As in No Atheists can`t be part of the problem....ok....

One question are atheists people???

Then I guess they can be part of the problem!

 

[sandorski]

more Atheist talking points..lololol....
As in No Atheists can`t be part of the problem....ok....

One question are atheists people???

Then I guess they can be part of the problem!

You are missing his point.

 

[JEDIYoda]

But that says nothing about atheism. There's nothing in atheism that says that it's wrong to act one way or another. -- so you can act anyway you want and it`s neither right or wrong?....ok!

Your behaviour has nothing to do with your atheism and your atheism has nothing to do with your behaviour. -- I beg your pardon......do you actually believe what you just said?Christianity tells you not to behave in some ways and to behave in others. If you're not going to follow that what's the point in being Christian? --- as in there are good Christians and bad Christians as well as good atheists and bad atheists...okAtheism is just a non belief in a divinity, any other behaviour is irrelevant to atheism. not true!

More Atheist talking points! Unless an Atheist is not actually a person....

 

[JEDIYoda]

It's pretty easy to pick out the immoral and unethical actions endorsed by the Abrahamic god from that magical book of fairy tales. The Bible is hardly a bastion of morals and ethics and goodness.

more misunderstanding of the scriptures....Law vs Grace......but then again for somebody who does not believe the Bible you sure do use it to try to throw zingers at Christians!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

The genuinely religious and the moral atheist derive their sense of morality from the same place. A religious person via grace arrives at his natural state, he has uncovered the holy spirit within and sees God via that connection. The moral atheist believes that his morality comes from within, he feels empathy within. And the empathy he feels, though he doesn't call it that, is the Holy Spirit. There is only love and one can come to it via different paths. It you go all the way up or all the way down, you arrive at the same place. As above, so below, the mystic says, the universe in a grain of sand, God or the true self. There is only love and unity.

That was beautiful!!