Do rich people become jerks or do jerks become rich?

[Torn Mind]

Steve Jobs was a jerk to begin with but being a jerk was hard without money so in order to comfortably be a jerk, his brain would think up all sorts of ways to make money.

Think about it. A person has a good kind heart and a very helpful spirit. He's always thinking about others so he has no capacity to think of his own needs hence his brain wouldn't be that active in trying to concoct ways of enriching himself.

Another thing to note: Steve Jobs born in 1955.
Bill Gates in 1955.
Edison 1847 (keep adding 12 to it and you get 1955)
Colombus 1451 (keep adding 12 to it and you get 1955)

See the pattern? All these were/are jerks to other people in their personal lives.

Anyone here born in 1955/1967/1979? I'm telling you, you are a ROYAL PITA JERKASS!

Year of Goat discrimination justified, I presume?

Marty McFly shouldn't exist if we wanted the world to be a better place? https://backtothefuture.fandom.com/wiki/1955

The last time the Maple Leafs(Fleas) won was 1967.

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[IndyColtsFan]

It will be interesting to see how hard-nosed she is about it. I have a variety of clients & the majority of them with "older" management (50+) really hate the concept of remote work, which says that the focus is on anxiety rather than productivity in terms of deliverables, because if people CAN work at home & avoid the commute, pollution, gas prices, HVAC requirements, rent requirements, janitorial cleanup requirements, etc. then they SHOULD - at least in my humble opinion! haha.

I've worked remotely since well before the pandemic, so that isn't an issue. My boss is the best boss I've ever had and she will do everything she can to give me that flexibility, I'm sure. What I want is a 4 day work week or even a 3 day work week so I can work on my business during the busiest time of the year.

She even told me I could become an hourly employee and choose my projects. That may be my best option because I'd make more money and have more time.

I totally understand where Musk is coming from, however, as the discipline can fall apart with WFH. It really depends on the person. Like, I have ADHD & WFH is NOT my jam because I get distracted easily lol. In your boss' case, it's really going to boil down to her perceived value of your contributions...if she's got the "part-time or WFH = no good" filter installed, then good luck! Or if corporate constrains her to have a full-time hire in that position. That's one of the things I like about freelancing...you can join up on a project, fire clients, etc. & it's all totally flexible!

As I said, WFH is no issue because my company is remote-based and has always been. I will never work onsite again. When a recruiter contacts me, if I hear "onsite" or "hybrid," I say: "NEXT."

She did mention possibly becoming hourly (an independent contractor) and picking my projects. They bill me out at several hundred/hr to some clients so I'd make way more money being an independent contractor to them.

The only thing that matters is this: do you get your work done and is it good work? I couldn't care less if an employee watches Netflix all day as long as they get their work done and it's good work.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Year of Goat discrimination justified, I presume?

Not discrimination. Just fact.

Examples: how Jobs refused to take responsibility for his own daughter and even disputed her paternity.

How Edison refused to pay Tesla the money he promised him for the invention of the AC motor.

How Colombus screwed over the Native American people.

Just one example of how Bill Gates tried to screw over his Microsoft co-founder/partner: https://www.forbes.com/sites/freder...tried-to-screw-paul-allen-whats-the-surprise/

 

[Pohemi]

Wealthy family, but he is trying to rewrite the narrative. Don't get me wrong, he accomplished quite a bit, but it is not the same as starting from nothing.

Sounds to me like an Orangutan we're all familiar with, claiming falsehoods in an attempt to increase their own self-worth and value as a human. They're both gunning for the wrong qualities imho, but that's just my opinion.

OK, so "likely" is incorrect here and should be instead "required." If you read the memo and understand how words work, you'd understand that Elon is directly requiring a minimum of 40 hours on-site, for anyone that wants to work remotely.
some math might lead you to the conclusion that any additional remote hours, after the required on-site hours...is well over 40 hours per week.

This isn't difficult.

Selective comprehension and understanding? Intentional idiocy? Disingenuousness? ... Yes. All the things.

Not discrimination. Just fact.

Stretching your broad-stroke brush to paint anyone born in said years based on a few cherry-picked assholes born in those years does not equate to "fact".

You're only showing your subjective, conspiratorial idiocy-with-numbers. Come back to reality, bud.

 

[nakedfrog]

Sounds to me like an Orangutan we're all familiar with, claiming falsehoods in an attempt to increase their own self-worth and value as a human. They're both gunning for the wrong qualities imho, but that's just my opinion.

Selective comprehension and understanding? Intentional idiocy? Disingenuousness? ... Yes. All the things.

Stretching your broad-stroke brush to paint anyone born in said years based on a few cherry-picked assholes born in those years does not equate to "fact".

You're only showing your subjective, conspiratorial idiocy-with-numbers. Come back to reality, bud.

He's pretty into numerology, he's posted about it before.

 

[brianmanahan]

I think the most important thing is to always think ahead in order to make more money.

let me guess, this involves giving away free ipods?

 

[Charmonium]

I will say that this might be Elon committing securities fraud yet again.

It CAN'T be fraud if it's the truth
.
Whew! What just happened.

 

[Kaido]

The only thing that matters is this: do you get your work done and is it good work? I couldn't care less if an employee watches Netflix all day as long as they get their work done and it's good work.

That's literally it. Delivery quality work on-time. Simple, yet magic!

 

[Pohemi]

He's pretty into numerology, he's posted about it before.

That's exactly what I meant by, "subjective, conspiratorial idiocy-with-numbers". If someone claimed something from Astrology as "fact", I'd react similarly.

 

[Zorba]

Well it is his company and he is the boss. He does leave room for approved exceptions.

I have been working in an automotive production facility for many years as an electronics and automation tech. They need engineering/programmer support available on site. A shutdown in production due to a lack of support can cost tens or hundreds of thousands if not more per hour. I could see an issue if he were demanding 60 or 80 hours a week.

My company has engineers that support production too, luckily some people still like going into the office everyday and it's never been a problem. No reason to force the people that don't want to go in to just because some people do.

 

[pcgeek11]

Steve Jobs was a jerk to begin with but being a jerk was hard without money so in order to comfortably be a jerk, his brain would think up all sorts of ways to make money.

Think about it. A person has a good kind heart and a very helpful spirit. He's always thinking about others so he has no capacity to think of his own needs hence his brain wouldn't be that active in trying to concoct ways of enriching himself.

Another thing to note: Steve Jobs born in 1955.
Bill Gates in 1955.
Edison 1847 (keep adding 12 to it and you get 1955)
Colombus 1451 (keep adding 12 to it and you get 1955)

See the pattern? All these were/are jerks to other people in their personal lives.

Anyone here born in 1955/1967/1979? I'm telling you, you are a ROYAL PITA JERKASS!

LOL! I was also born in 1955.

Bunch of prima-donnas in my opinion.

 

[igor_kavinski]

LOL! I was also born in 1955.

You must be rich.

 

[pcgeek11]

You must be rich.

I wish...

 

[igor_kavinski]

LOL! I was also born in 1955.

My ex-boss is 1955. He was kind to me, until he saw me with his enemy (auditor hired by the new owner of the company). He was let go by the owner for being too bossy and refusing to be a "yes man". He would say, "I've been in this business for 30+ years!". That didn't help his cause, apparently.

 

[pcgeek11]

My ex-boss is 1955. He was kind to me, until he saw me with his enemy (auditor hired by the new owner of the company). He was let go by the owner for being too bossy and refusing to be a "yes man". He would say, "I've been in this business for 30+ years!". That didn't help his cause, apparently.

Good for him not caving in and becoming an ass kissing yes man!

 

[RLGL]

Musk is not the brightest light bulb in the tree.

 

[Mai72]

What money does IMO is it makes a jerk become more of a jerk, and money can make a caring person more of a caring person. Money is neutral. It does nothing. Its the worth that we put on money which is the problem. A rich person is caring, nice, or an a-hole independent of the money. But, by having money you can feel superior and ego driven because of the material things that you can now purchase with money. Ignorance, ego, and feeling superior over others stems from low confidence. Trying hard to seek validation. What you'll find is the true rich don't talk about how much they own or make. They don't brag, and in-fact most will be low key about their net worth.

My parents had a restaurant in Stone Harbor, NJ. Summer homes in this area are worth millions. Many of my mom's clients had money. Net worth tens of millions of dollars. I met a man who had a few patents of items that we use today. He owned an island, a few homes, etc. And guess what? You would had never known that he had money. Didn't flash his networth. No expensive cars. No flashy jewlery or clothes. He was also older. Mid 50s, so that might had something to do with it. The nicest man. I've met ex and current stock brokers, plastic surgeons, business people, and so on. We had a lady who frequented my mom's restaurant. She had 10 restaurants of her own. A very nice lady.

And, Ive met some true a-holes. People who make a decent salary but think they are worth millions. They have a nice car, a home, and dress nice. But, are they worth millions? Not even close. They just give off the appearance that they have cash. Its all a facade. They think that they are better than you, especially if they notice that what you do as work is beneath them. They are more concerned with appearance, and are always seeking validation. They are always talking about how much they have as net worth. They normally treat service people awful as well. Like they are beneath them.

 

[MrSquished]

What money does IMO is it makes a jerk become more of a jerk, and money can make a caring person more of a caring person. Money is neutral. It does nothing. Its the worth that we put on money which is the problem. A rich person is caring, nice, or an a-hole independent of the money. But, by having money you can feel superior and ego driven because of the material things that you can now purchase with money. Ignorance, ego, and feeling superior over others stems from low confidence. Trying hard to seek validation. What you'll find is the true rich don't talk about how much they own or make. They don't brag, and in-fact most will be low key about their net worth.

My parents had a restaurant in Stone Harbor, NJ. Summer homes in this area are worth millions. Many of my mom's clients had money. Net worth tens of millions of dollars. I met a man who had a few patents of items that we use today. He owned an island, a few homes, etc. And guess what? You would had never known that he had money. Didn't flash his networth. No expensive cars. No flashy jewlery or clothes. He was also older. Mid 50s, so that might had something to do with it. The nicest man. I've met ex and current stock brokers, plastic surgeons, business people, and so on. We had a lady who frequented my mom's restaurant. She had 10 restaurants of her own. A very nice lady.

And, Ive met some true a-holes. People who make a decent salary but think they are worth millions. They have a nice car, a home, and dress nice. But, are they worth millions? Not even close. They just give off the appearance that they have cash. Its all a facade. They think that they are better than you, especially if they notice that what you do as work is beneath them. They are more concerned with appearance, and are always seeking validation. They are always talking about how much they have as net worth. They normally treat service people awful as well. Like they are beneath them.

jerks come in all sorts of shapes and forms, including with or without money.

but the desire to acquire more money can certainly turn people into bigger jerks, I mean they will fuck anybody over so they can get more money.

 

[TXHokie]

I've been WFH for almost 10 yrs and my work quality hasn't been an issue. I get my work done fine and is of good quality. Frankly I think the company get more out of me since I don't get up and quit at 5pm. That said there are some aspects of work that would be done more efficient and quicker in person if we all could get into a room with some pizza and hash it out in couple hours vs email/chat/conf call back and forth for weeks.
As far as Elon goes, it's his company so he can do what he wants. No one is forced to work for him, it's a free country. Don't like it go somewhere else as I'm sure some does and will and there are plenty of willing candidates to take their place. I wouldn't be one.

 

[rh71]

*Laughs in fully remote work*

Since 2005 here. I would not be able to handle a work place anymore at this point. The logistics of getting ready / going in / coming back - just too much wasted time.

I do very well with self-imposed deadlines. My social skills have taken a hit though of course. I actually also coach part-time at a local ice rink 5-mins away whenever I feel like it - to keep things fresh.

 

[Mai72]

jerks come in all sorts of shapes and forms, including with or without money.

but the desire to acquire more money can certainly turn people into bigger jerks, I mean they will fuck anybody over so they can get more money.

True, but you don't have to be bad to others in the pursuit of success.

 

[brianmanahan]

True, but you don't have to be bad to others in the pursuit of success.

it often helps though

the wealthiest person in my area became successful by misleading and taking advantage of almost everyone he could

the 2nd and 3rd wealthiest people though were just ones who had a good idea and worked really hard

 

[Brovane]

Correlation between wealth and empathy is obviously severely negative, but what direction is the causality?

SpaceX and Tesla are physically building goods. You cannot build something in a factory and be WFH.

 

[JEDI]

SpaceX and Tesla are physically building goods. You cannot build something in a factory and be WFH.

no doh if you're a factory worker actually building the product.
but why cant an office worker wfh, at least some of the time?

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's possible that the factory workers weren't happy about the office folks working from home so maybe they complained and Musk decided to "be fair" and make rules more uniform for everyone.