Do not drive through New Mexico :O

[Londo_Jowo]

Just imagine had the lady driven through a red light and into a bus full of kids on their way to a church gathering killing all 35 kids inside and wounding the 6 kids in her van. Was there things wrong here, yep. But if you want to play the "what if" game there are a 1000 outcomes. I would much rather the person responsible for starting the issue get fucked up that an innocent bystander. There is no way to know if the kids in the van were kidnapped, stolen, sold, runaways or what ever. They could have been mules carrying drugs, guns or explosives. There had to be a reason for her to leave while the cop was giving her a ticket, or should it be OK to just leave if you don't feel there was a reason to be stopped?

Had she been just left alone after pulling away the first time and had had a load of explosives she used to blow up a bank because her home was foreclosed on, everyone would be blaming the cop for not chasing her.

The cops in the video look like they could use a bit more training though.

I have no problems with the police's actions in this case, though the one possibly trying to shoot out a tire could have used more restraint as it's quite difficult to shoot out a tire at that distance. The first officer should have secured the keys to the vehicle when he pulled her out of the car to prevent her from leaving again.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I came in here expecting something about the endless "construction" zones along I-10 looking to wrack up maximum $$$ from people wanting to escape that shithole as quickly as possible. The woman in the op goofed pretty badly.

I like New Mexico. Agree though that it is one giant speed trap. They also have cameras that take your speed and send you tickets in the mail and drones that fly around and estimate your speed and it can send you a ticket as well. Horrible place to drive through but it's beautiful out there.

 

[Nintendesert]

I like New Mexico. Agree though that it is one giant speed trap. They also have cameras that take your speed and send you tickets in the mail and drones that fly around and estimate your speed and it can send you a ticket as well. Horrible place to drive through but it's beautiful out there.

So much bullshit in this post. Almost as much as Londo claiming he knows where that cop was shooting. :awe:

 

[Moonbeam]

I know everything that happened, who is to blame, who should be condemned and who should not and my insights are infallible, not to mention, titanically important. But more important still, I've bought an Ipad Mini with retinal display, with cellular and 128GB of memory, in the color gray that's deplaned in Memphis and on it's way to me and with the purchase of an appropriate app I can soon post all the details of my most sublime opinions from anywhere. We are all so lucky.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

So much bullshit in this post. Almost as much as Londo claiming he knows where that cop was shooting. :awe:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/9/3147413/us-air-force-drone-tracking-new-mexico
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/30/3084.asp

and looks like NM is getting rid of the speed trap cameras. I havent been there in probably 4 years. Anything to add to the conversation or you just like making troll comments then running?

 

[JEDIYoda]

another blame windows 8.1 thread.....

 

[Jaskalas]

you seem like a self proclaimed expert on this matter. tell us, how would you have handled this unruly driver.

I wouldn't shoot to kill a person who is scared, fleeing, and a non threat.

Anyone who would suggest such violent, aggressive action should not be tolerated.

 

[SNC]

I wouldn't shoot to kill a person who is scared, fleeing, and a non threat.

Anyone who would suggest such action should not be tolerated.

And you KNOW they are a non threat how? Just wondering.

 

[Jaskalas]

And you KNOW they are a non threat how? Just wondering.

You shoot to kill anyone who flees?

 

[Tom]

First anal probes (well, honestly, that's enough right there), and now this:

das linky

Mom gets pulled over in minivan, doesn't want to pay ticket, drives off when officer goes back to car. Gets pulled over again, one son thinks about taking on the cop, changes his mind. Eventually a melee erupts, backup arrives, windows get smashed in, when she drives off with 5 kids in the car one of the backup officers OPENS FIRE. She weaves her way through a high speed chase and eventually gives it up after a while.

Holy stupidity all around Batman...it was a $126 ticket that she didn't want to deal with, overreaction on her part and complete overreaction on the cops part.

How did the police overreact ?

Let me get this straight..if a person is a Mom or a Dad, or if a person has a Mom or a Dad, the police should not enforce our laws ?

 

[SNC]

You shoot to kill anyone who flees?

Wait, I asked first, how do you KNOW they were a non threat. I'll answer you as soon as we clear up this notion you were in the van when she was pulled over. As far as I can tell thats the ONLY way you could know with 100% certainty there was no threat to public safety.

 

[notposting]

another blame windows 8.1 thread.....

The backup cop probably had a Surface RT installed in his cruiser and was PISSED by the time he showed up!

 

[HeXen]

You all act like you were there witnessing the whole thing or something.

 

[notposting]

How did the police overreact ?

Let me get this straight..if a person is a Mom or a Dad, or if a person has a Mom or a Dad, the police should not enforce our laws ?

First...you don't think they overreacted?

Second...1st cop, lady drove off. Pull her over again. At this point, yes, you don't know what is going on. Are the kids hers? Running drugs/weapons? Maybe just a dimebag in the console? Or is she just a moron?

I am not a cop. I don't know regular cop procedure in this case, nor that jurisdictions procedures. However he also did not work to de-escalate the situation. Come up to the car (and yes, be on full alert mentally at this point), soothe the mom, ask her to get out so you can talk, etc. Running up yelling is going to make anyone defensive (now, yes, she was a complete moron and deserved to be yelled at, but he is the *professional* here). Of course, things almost cooled off and then she decided to completely resist and flee and everything finished spiraling into dumbfuckery.

At some point though, where is the training to back off, get backup, box her in (and seriously backup cop dude, way to not block her way *at all*) and contain the situation and resolve it?

As far as anyone of us know and as far as the cops knew at that point, it was a mom in a minivan with her kids. Know your target, what's beyond your target, etc. What the hell happened to common firearm safety?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So much bullshit in this post. Almost as much as Londo claiming he knows where that cop was shooting. :awe:

Seems like a mighty big target to miss if he was shooting at the van and no bullets struck the van.

 

[Matt1970]

First...you don't think they overreacted?

Second...1st cop, lady drove off. Pull her over again. At this point, yes, you don't know what is going on. Are the kids hers? Running drugs/weapons? Maybe just a dimebag in the console? Or is she just a moron?

I am not a cop. I don't know regular cop procedure in this case, nor that jurisdictions procedures. However he also did not work to de-escalate the situation. Come up to the car (and yes, be on full alert mentally at this point), soothe the mom, ask her to get out so you can talk, etc. Running up yelling is going to make anyone defensive (now, yes, she was a complete moron and deserved to be yelled at, but he is the *professional* here). Of course, things almost cooled off and then she decided to completely resist and flee and everything finished spiraling into dumbfuckery.

At some point though, where is the training to back off, get backup, box her in (and seriously backup cop dude, way to not block her way *at all*) and contain the situation and resolve it?

As far as anyone of us know and as far as the cops knew at that point, it was a mom in a minivan with her kids. Know your target, what's beyond your target, etc. What the hell happened to common firearm safety?

WTF is wrong with you. She refused to stay while he wrote the ticket. Refused to get out of the car when he pulled her over again. Refused to turn around and face the vehicle. Then the kid jumps in and attacks the cop. Then the all speed off, driving in opposing traffic and putting more innocent lives at risk. Maybe there are things that cops could have done different but there isn't much this woman did right and she brought this all on herself.

 

[Tom]

First...you don't think they overreacted?

Second...1st cop, lady drove off. Pull her over again. At this point, yes, you don't know what is going on. Are the kids hers? Running drugs/weapons? Maybe just a dimebag in the console? Or is she just a moron?

I am not a cop. I don't know regular cop procedure in this case, nor that jurisdictions procedures. However he also did not work to de-escalate the situation. Come up to the car (and yes, be on full alert mentally at this point), soothe the mom, ask her to get out so you can talk, etc. Running up yelling is going to make anyone defensive (now, yes, she was a complete moron and deserved to be yelled at, but he is the *professional* here). Of course, things almost cooled off and then she decided to completely resist and flee and everything finished spiraling into dumbfuckery.

At some point though, where is the training to back off, get backup, box her in (and seriously backup cop dude, way to not block her way *at all*) and contain the situation and resolve it?

As far as anyone of us know and as far as the cops knew at that point, it was a mom in a minivan with her kids. Know your target, what's beyond your target, etc. What the hell happened to common firearm safety?

I have no opinion about whether they overreacted or not. I have no idea.

I'm questioning whoever it is that is saying they did. Based on what ?

Because it's a lady ? Or a Mom ? What's that got to do with it ?

Because the police fired their weapon ? If the police firing their weapon is automatically overreacting, why do they have guns ?

I see one fact here, a person fleeing the police. Is that in dispute ?

Maybe I missed it, how many bystanders were shot by the police ? I assume the woman and kids are all dead ?

 

[notposting]

WTF is wrong with you. She refused to stay while he wrote the ticket. Refused to get out of the car when he pulled her over again. Refused to turn around and face the vehicle. Then the kid jumps in and attacks the cop. Then the all speed off, driving in opposing traffic and putting more innocent lives at risk. Maybe there are things that cops could have done different but there isn't much this woman did right and she brought this all on herself.

Simple. WTF is wrong with you?! If a criminal runs into a crowd should the cops fucking hose the crowd with bullets? They could have done things different like not open fire on a van full of people who hadn't done anything wrong! No shit the woman screwed up. And so did the moron trigger happy cop who shot at a van full of kids who didn't attack the cops.

I have no opinion about whether they overreacted or not. I have no idea.

I'm questioning whoever it is that is saying they did. Based on what ? Based on opening fire on a van full of children?

Because it's a lady ? Or a Mom ? What's that got to do with it ? Because a whole freaking litter of her kids were in the vehicle?!

Because the police fired their weapon ? If the police firing their weapon is automatically overreacting, why do they have guns ? I dunno. Is blowing people away because they don't want a ticket common practice now? Is there a point where they don't use their guns? Jaywalker BLAM Looked funny BLAM Speeding 1 over BLAM I mean, they have guns, they should use them right?

I see one fact here, a person fleeing the police. Is that in dispute ? I saw a lot of facts in the video...

Maybe I missed it, how many bystanders were shot by the police ? I assume the woman and kids are all dead ? Sweet, I can go shoot at people but if I miss they can just forget about charging me? Because I missed?

 

[Matt1970]

Simple. WTF is wrong with you?! If a criminal runs into a crowd should the cops fucking hose the crowd with bullets? They could have done things different like not open fire on a van full of people who hadn't done anything wrong! No shit the woman screwed up. And so did the moron trigger happy cop who shot at a van full of kids who didn't attack the cops.

So now your whole argument is about the cop who fired shots and in my opinion was aiming at the tires. At that close I am pretty sure he would have hit the van if that was what he was aiming for. It's just fucked up that the public's outrage isn't at this woman who made a whole laundry list of fucked up decisions and willing to have a physical altercation with law enforcement and even allowed her 14 year old son to do the same but at the one cop who may or may not have made a bad decision. This is societal decay. Remember the last thread where everyone was crying that the cop should have just shot out the tires. This cop appears to do that and they are saying he was shooting at kids.

 

[Tom]

Looks like the officer was trying to shoot a tire, no rounds struck the vehicle.

I could have sworn that's what many wanted the officers to do with the kid that stole his father's truck.

I don't know if he was shooting at a tire or the mirror but I don't believe he was shooting randomly and he looks like he's trying not to shoot into the van, to me.

In any case, it's easy for any of us to look at an event and make judgments. The police have to act at the time. They may have thought stopping the driver was the best way to save the lives of the children, as opposed to a high speed chase which the apparently weren't able to prevent.

And the police don't know why a person is resisting arrest. It makes no sense to do so if it's a speeding ticket, how are the police supposed to know there's not a good reason for the evasion, a reason they need to stop.

 

[Newbian]

You shoot to kill anyone who flees?

So you wouldn't shoot someone who is a threat to others with a deadly weapon just because they are trying to get away from the people that could stop them?

Plus the cop didn't shoot to kill thus at the tires but to disable as they do when the person is a criminal and fleeing to escape.

No different then using a spike trap on a car at that distance.

 

[Svnla]

Just saw the video on ABC News and that woman and her son were beyond stupid.

If she just took the speeding ticket and went on her way, things would be fine, but of course not, gotta fight the power, eh?

 

[Linux23]

Can't you people see that the cop was going to rape her and kill her kids? Jeez, she had to flee in order to protect herself and her offspring. Why do you think she pulled over in a public place, aka a Hotel. She was afraid for her life and I don't blame her.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Fail all around.

Biggest fail is definitely that trigger-happy cop. He should be stripped of all rights to own a firearm, and blacklisted from every being in any position of power ever again.

Second fail is the mom. Doesn't even need an explanation. IMHO family services needs to be involved immediately.

Third fail is the 14 year old son. He deserves to spend at least 6 months in juvie for that.




Mostly, I'm surprised that the video was released, let alone 'found', being that the one cop just went awol shooting into the back of the van.

 

[z1ggy]

PSA: Most cops are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Why do you think there are so many threads of YA(cop thread) or whatever. Dumb cop shoots at van full of kiddies to stop a mom in a crap minivan?? Wtf.

Yeah the family was wrong for trying to assault and do cray crap, but it's not like cops don't deal with idiot nuts like this all the time. No reason to shoot at the car, especially because it was driving away. The cops weren't in any danger at that time.