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Londo_Jowo

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I've driven fast before. I've taken off from red lights quickly where my tires chirped. Am I endangering the lives of those in my car? Not in any rational sense, no. In some sensationalist exaggeration, probably.

Was she driving into oncoming traffic? Was she swerving all over the road or something? Exactly how was she endangering them more than FMJ @ 1200 ft/sec? What if the officer missed and hit a passing motorist who was moving in the opposite direction? Is that worth the risk to take to shoot out a damn tire instead of simply get back in your car and follow her?

Causing the fleeing vehicle to be harder to control is irresponsible. A trained officer should know better. Hell, I'm a dumbass civilian and I know better. :p

It's obvious you didn't watch the whole video. She placed those kids in harms way more than once.
 

spacejamz

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It is a miracle that there are even people left in NM....given the number of speeding tickets they must write every day and then the officers shoot the violators, how can anyone possibly be left alive there??
 

Londo_Jowo

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And that justifies the police being irresponsible? Okay. I'm glad you're not a cop, for the rest of our sakes.

As usual don't blame the person that was ultimately responsible for what occurred. What would have happened if the woman waited for the officer to check for any outstanding warrants and potentially (*) write a ticket?

* In some cases the police actually write warning tickets.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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As usual don't blame the person that was ultimately responsible for what occurred. What would have happened if the woman waited for the officer to check for any outstanding warrants and potentially (*) write a ticket?

* In some cases the police actually write warning tickets.

This is over your head I am sure, but just so you know, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because the woman was an idiot doesn't give the police free reign to be an idiot as well.

Is your logic really "since she placed the kids in danger, it's OK for the police to do it too"? Really? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

HumblePie

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Supporting the use of deadly force against a mother in a mini-van that is driving away from an officer does not reflect well on the majority of police that are disciplined and professional.

Everyone can watch the video. Everyone can see, as the professors above state ..."its an inappropriate use of force." Repeating your denials doesn't change that fact.

Police are expected to be able to handle traffic stops without the use of deadly force. If they can't, then they shouldn't be on the police force.


Uno

A bleeding heart liberal "law" person from new york commenting on a scenario he didn't watch as he doesn't seem to understand the amount of danger the driver now represents as she drives off for the second time as well as the fact the officer shooting at the mini-van was no shooting at the people inside but the back left tire.

Once she attempted to flee the scene a second time and her son assaulted the officer it was no longer a "simple" traffic stop. That's another strawman logic fallacy. The officers were no longer handling a traffic stop, they were attempting to stop a violent criminal who just assaulted an officer from fleeing. Those are two completely different scenarios and you seem as unable to grasp it as the cherry picked link to some idiot "law" person in the article you linked.
 

HumblePie

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As an update from google news. The investigation for the cops is over. No criminal charges or even considered for punishment as their actions were seen as LAWFUL by full investigative review.

Meaning the cops did their jobs properly and in accordance with the law.

What was not shown in the video was the attempted high speed chase of the minivan that happened after as the mother chose to try and drive at high speeds even with a tire that was flattened by a bullet shot by one of the responding officers.
 

unokitty

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You're welcome to think its over.

Just like all those people that thought it was over when OJ was found 'innocent.'

LOL

Uno
 

OCGuy

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As an update from google news. The investigation for the cops is over. No criminal charges or even considered for punishment as their actions were seen as LAWFUL by full investigative review.

Meaning the cops did their jobs properly and in accordance with the law.

What was not shown in the video was the attempted high speed chase of the minivan that happened after as the mother chose to try and drive at high speeds even with a tire that was flattened by a bullet shot by one of the responding officers.


Yea, the FBI investigated all of their shootings and found every single one lawful....imagine that!
 

piasabird

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People dont run from the police unless they are doing something illegal or they have drugs in their car. This is my assumption. I have seen enough cop shows to know this always ends bad. Son is charged with assaulting a police officer and mom resisted arrest and then fled the scene. These people were doing something illegal. It is so obvious.

Most sane people let the cops give them a ticket and are free to go on their way. A simple speeding ticket does not cause this kind of panic and criminal behaviour.
 
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JEDIYoda

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A NM resident (me) with a update to this story. He was fired, which I agree with. He was reckless.
yes, he also was ignorant and had just came upon the scene and had no clue that their were children in the vehicle yet instead of seeking information he chose to draw his weapon and fire on the van....\
When none of the other officers before him that were on the scene fired on the van...wonder why?
Could it be the van was full of children........hmmmmm
 
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It absolutely due to their 'gang' style mentality towards protecting (and avenging) other officers.

What she did wrong, was pull away and endanger the first cop's life. The shooter was merely delving out some gang-style justice in response.