I'm not a lawyer by any means, but if Intuit is requiring people to resubmitt payment for a brand new license after transferring TurboTax from one computer to another and not disclosing this in their EULA agreement then I believe they are breaking the law and infringing on our rights as consumers. I have sent a complaint to the US Department of Justice in hopes that they or the appropriate agency will look into these complaints. I'm sorry, but as a US citizen I believe I have the right to submit a complaint against a company that I believe is breaking the law.
techfuzz
techfuzz
Thank You Fett and TechFuzz. We (as in all of us) need as much going back the other way as these Companies are dishing out our way and fight these battles on as many fronts as possible. It's literally a war now and the citizenry didn't start this war but we will end it!
Good News people, I am very confident that Major Media will be picking up on this major debacle Intuit has beseiged on us very shortly, maybe as early as today although there is a lot of News the News organizations are handling today ATM, (The Commuter plane crash this morning
, and Congress passing unemployment benefit extensions as well as all the Overseas continued War talk). I have gotten some feedback though from Media, more details to follow as sson as it breaks. Great job everyone, keep it up.Originally posted by: kt
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Placer14
Originally posted by: Snatchface
I personally plan on going to their on-line live support feature and asking many, many questions about this...as frequently as possible
That doesn't do anything but piss off innocent 3rd party support people. We hate people like you.
exactly... all that will happen is that the support people go to their manager to ask how to reply, manager gives them some BS line to recite that doesn't really give a definitive answer or is just a flat out denial, and they'll just give you that response every time.
Hmmm.. so, why are these support people hired for again? Last I checked, companies hire support people to give support to customers. I don't see anything wrong if a customer ask for support. And if I don't know how to do something with their software, shouldn't I be calling for support from the company that make the software? The support people aren't innocent 3rd party bystander. They are PAID to do their job. Whether the job be supporting annoying customers or not, they are to do what they are paid for.
NO..my job description does NOT include putting up with idiot user's BS. Sure, you can call us up and ask us questions and we can provide support for the product you are using. But when you start annoying us with useless phone traffic and helling in our ears, we simply ignore you. When ever a moron does that sort of thing, we blacklist that caller. If they call for support, the second they give us crap.... i hit the RELEASE button. I do not get paid enough to put up with your stupid whining.
The orginal poster's intent was to annoy call centers until they gave him a solution to remove C-Dilla...which wasn't going to help anyone, which I why I posted that. I don't mean to flame too hard, but this mentality I do NOT tolerate. :|
You can include Staples and OfficeMax for sure to the list, though Staples involves 3 rebates. OfficeMax sells TaxCut for $10 with a $10 rebate, but Staples has it for $15 with a $10 and a $5 rebate. The $10 TaxCut and $35 Money rebates are inside the TaxCut box.
I have not installed Money yet and I am rather curious. I have 10 years of financial data tied up in my Quicken files and I want to see how well Money imports all the data. I am not a power Quicken user, so I am sure Money will be able to handle the load for me. Plus I won't have to hit the damn 'Cancel' button on the stupid register dialog (I've already registered it, thank you) that pops up every time I load Quicken.
FeathersMcGraw
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I've been a regular TurboTax/Quicken user for years as well, so if folks who are migrating to TaxCut/Money would care to share their experiences (particularly in the areas of importing and comparable functionality), I'm all ears.
I've been using Money for a couple years now, but it wasn't until the 2002 and now 2003 versions that I think it has started to mature. There are 2 versions that most people will be using: Standard and Deluxe. For most people just wanting to keep track of day-to-day finances, some investment stuff, etc. the Standard version will suffice. For those Power users that want and use every single feature a money manager has to offer, the Deluxe version is for you guys. I figure myself to be a pretty advanced user when it comes to money management but I still use the Standard version because it has all the features I need. Deluxe would be overkill for me.
I have not imported any data from Quicken or other programs, but I do often download electronic statements from my online financial insitutions and the process is so simple. Money automatically detects the downloads and merges them with the appropriate accounts or asks you if it is unsure which account to use.
techfuzz
As for TaxCut, I switched to that for the '98 tax year. I know back then the changeover was seemless and I assume it would be today as well. I didn't think there was much of a difference in the flow of TurboTax and TaxCut, but it has been a few years and things probably have changed.
As for Money, one thing to note is that I currently use Quicken 2000. Not sure what has been added to 2001 or 2002, but if there is a feature new to those versions I won't know about it.
Importing my Quicken files was easy. It seems to have taken everything right in without a fuss. I am not a power user and I just used Quicken really to track my finances. I played around with auto-downloading statements and tracking stock prices and such, but gave up on that stuff.
One issue right off the bat is it appears the "Payee" field in Money does not hold as much info as it did for Quicken. I have a Circuit City card and my payments go to "First North American National Bank", which Quicken could handle, but Money can only take "First North American National Ba". Other than that it just appears to be getting used to doing things in Money. I paid some bills and entered everything into Money with little fuss. I was able to generate a report so I could do a quick estimate on my taxes, again no problem.
One annoyance is I have a lot of schedule transactions. In Quicken I could right click and select 'Skip' to get it off the schedule since most of them are estimates and I enter the actual payments into the register when I make them. The same thing takes a few more clicks in Money. However, if you make a payment in the register and the Payee is the same on an upcoming payment on the schedule it recognizes this and asks if this is your scheduled payment and clears the flag that it has been paid.
So far, it seems to do what I expected. The "Home" screen is similar to what they added in Quicken2000 with a summary of all your accounts. The one in Money is customizable and they have various prefab views as well. Again, this is something that Quicken might have also, but not something I noticed.
One last item. My Quicken file was a little over 2MB (it has 10 years of data in it after all). The Money file is around 7MB. The backup file is almost 18MB. When you backup to floppy the file does get compressed, but the compressed file is still almost 2MB. Keep this in mind if you back up your data to floppy.
Good, good, good. It's helpful to see such nearly universal disdain for the TT product activation. I like the one quote: "If they don't trust us with their software, why should we trust them with our taxes?"
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
It's a shame that the majority of computer users aren't bright enough to understand some of the issues brought up in this thread. (particularly processes running in the background even after uninstalling...) In fact, for most users, uninstalling means "right click, delete."
However... from all the emails that I get on a day to day basis... all those users are great at one particular thing: Forwarding chain emails.
However... from all the emails that I get on a day to day basis... all those users are great at one particular thing: Forwarding chain emails.
I never paid more than tax (lol) on my turbotax software, so for next to nothing I'll keep using it. Spybot Search and Destroy will take care of Cdilla for me once I get confirmation that my filing went through.
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Nah, my intention was to fudge things up for intuit in any way possible. But after some thought and a cup of tea, it is much more elegant to simply switch to a less Nazi'esque program. Many people have been loyal TT users for years and now they are losing them all...probably permanently. They won't go broke, i'm sure, but they probably will lose more money from defecting users than they will save in preventing piracy.
I have been using Turbo Tax for years, back when it was written by a company named ChipSoft and it came on the 3.5 ' diskettes and I think the original version may have been on 5.25 floppy's. It looks like for 2002 tax year I will be using Tax Cut Platinum. Are there things that TT can do that TC can't? Like importing bokerage and fund account info online?
mdcrab
mdcrab
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Quick Books Pro has this same crappy protection system. I spent a good chunk of my Saturday afternoon trying to figure out whats going on with the family biz's copy. It seems to think there is a pirated copy being run or something and refuses to allow the updating of tax tables and backups although everything else seems to work. Manual backups are easy enough, since its only one file for all of the data. But its pretty important for payroll to have the tax table updating option!!
Glad I checked the forum today as I *was* about to buy TT this afternoon. I will check out TC first.
I went out and purchased TaxCut Federal this weekend. I got the Deluxe version, with rebates that make the following products free with my purchase: MS Money 2003 Standard, Home & Business Attorney (H&R product from small businesses), TaxCut State. There is also a $5 or $10 rebate on TaxCut, I can't remember which ATM. I got all these at Staples for about $100, rebates will bring it back down to the cost of TaxCut Federal + tax. Like $25 + $6 tax when all is said and done. I think that some of these rebates might expire soon so go check it out.
They had TaxCut setup so that it was on the front of the display when you walk into the store through the front doors. TurboTax was on the back and I wouldn't have even seen it if I hadn't walked around the display looking for a less beaten box of MS Money. I'm glad that the Staples I went to had TaxCut on the front, I hope it prevents a few people from buying TurboTax who are just lazy enough not to look around back. Go Staples!!!
techfuzz
They had TaxCut setup so that it was on the front of the display when you walk into the store through the front doors. TurboTax was on the back and I wouldn't have even seen it if I hadn't walked around the display looking for a less beaten box of MS Money. I'm glad that the Staples I went to had TaxCut on the front, I hope it prevents a few people from buying TurboTax who are just lazy enough not to look around back. Go Staples!!!
techfuzz
Some bad press for Turbotax fr. USA today
TurboTax anti-piracy feature triggers consumer backlash
fr. Cnet/news.com
Intuit pours oil on TurboTax troubles
fr. KCBS, same AP story as USA Today
New TurboTax activation feature triggers backlash
fr. PC Magazine
Intuit's TurboTax Activation Scheme Irks Users
fr. Boston Globe
TurboTax feature draws flak
Some more links & info HERE
TurboTax anti-piracy feature triggers consumer backlash
fr. Cnet/news.com
Intuit pours oil on TurboTax troubles
fr. KCBS, same AP story as USA Today
New TurboTax activation feature triggers backlash
fr. PC Magazine
Intuit's TurboTax Activation Scheme Irks Users
fr. Boston Globe
TurboTax feature draws flak
Some more links & info HERE
Interesting articles.
One thing that gets me about the whole disable the RW drive when the program is running makes like 0 sense to me.
I don't even need a rw drive to make a cd image..hello..!!! Not that I would condone this but lets face it pirates are pretty smart at least as far as copying stuff. This of course doesn't include whatever hacks they come up with. Didn't they learn anything from Microsoft and XP. What I think they said it was cracked before it was even released?
It seems much easier to say give it a keycode like the pc game companies do which is tied to the CD. Sure there are ways around it but the casual person who would share their copy wouldn't be able to get around it and I think thats what their goal was.
Oh well ..taxcut here I come I guess.
One thing that gets me about the whole disable the RW drive when the program is running makes like 0 sense to me.
I don't even need a rw drive to make a cd image..hello..!!! Not that I would condone this but lets face it pirates are pretty smart at least as far as copying stuff. This of course doesn't include whatever hacks they come up with. Didn't they learn anything from Microsoft and XP. What I think they said it was cracked before it was even released?
It seems much easier to say give it a keycode like the pc game companies do which is tied to the CD. Sure there are ways around it but the casual person who would share their copy wouldn't be able to get around it and I think thats what their goal was.
Oh well ..taxcut here I come I guess.
This whole issue with TT stinks. I wish I had known before I bought my copy. Anyway, if you decide to change PC's can't you grab the hard drive from the old and install it in the new? Or Ghost the old to the new hard drive? This may be a pain where the sun doesn't shine but it may be a solution to PC change out and TT.
SafeCast writes a couple bits of info to a part of the hard drive that is not read by Ghost or other disk imaging software. Without duplicating that security code on your new HD there isn't any way to copy TT from one computer to another.
techfuzz
Well spoken.
I'm going to switch to TaxCut.
However, I'm still pissed that H&R Block was stupid enough to buy CompuServ.:disgust:
Other than that, thanks to all for the invaluable info posted herein.
My friend had installed TT and I refered him to this to read.. He killed him c_dilla folder and rebooted.. His system is now DEAD!! Will not even try to boot.. Gives an error of something like L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99
Great huh!?
Trying to figure it out now....
I love TT, but screw this!
Great huh!?
Trying to figure it out now....
I love TT, but screw this!
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