Do muslim exremists consider Chinese to be infidels?

[Svnla]

If so, why don't we hear about attacks on them?

If not, then why not? A good majority of them aren't Muslim.


What do you think would happen if ISIS bombed Shanghai?

Thread belongs in P&N - Admin DrPizza

Not?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37835002&postcount=396

 

[bononos]

The Chinese don't worry about political correctness. They deal with issues very harshly. Compare that to America. We can't do anything without being blasted in the media.

Fox News had an American General on he was concerned that we aren't able to go after the terrorists because of the PC atmosphere that has taken over our military/society. I normally disagree with Fox, but not on this.

Yeah the Chinese can ban beards, Muslim style clothing on public transport and also ban fasting for students and civil servants without the pc press acting all hot and huffy. Maybe Americans should take the cue and stuff ham sandwiches into Muslim mouths during their fasting month.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Yeah the Chinese can ban beards, Muslim style clothing on public transport and also ban fasting for students and civil servants without the pc press acting all hot and huffy. Maybe Americans should take the cue and stuff ham sandwiches into Muslim mouths during their fasting month.

Because fuck 1.5 billion people world wide, because .00001% of them are fucks

 

[kt]

Where the hell do you get your information?

Information is transmitted directly to him and he receives it using his tinfoil hat.

 

[SP33Demon]

Because fuck 1.5 billion people world wide, because .00001% of them are fucks 99% of them believe in a holy book that commands them to kill people for having a belief system other than theirs.

Fixed for you.^

Verses like

Koran 9:5 And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

Everyone who defends this bullshit will pull the context but-they-were-persecuted-at-that-time card. The problem with text like this is militants will take it literally and say they are being persecuted right now (e.g. Charlie Hebdo) and this verse should be applied to modern times.

More:

Koran 8:12
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Koran 47:4 So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

Koran 9:111 Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

Koran 4:89 They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

Koran 8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

blah blah blah there's at least 10 more talking about terrifying enemies or killing them. All of these verses can't be taken out of context and even if they were, some dipshit 75IQ impressionable little teenager isn't going to care about context. Only that their holy book justified they kill and "terrify" others because they felt persecuted. Wake up.

 

[dighn]

Sure. They got bigger fish to fry though (the West).

 

[Matthiasa]

To be on topic any practitioner of any religion would consider them as such.

Because fuck 1.5 billion people world wide, because .00001% of them are fucks 99% of them believe in a holy book that commands them to kill people for having a belief system other than theirs.


Fixed for you.^

As you significantly rewrote no need to nest quotes here...

You are off by ~2.3 billion people using your line of reasoning or lack there of. (3.8 billion people are estimated to follow the Abrahamic religions not 1.5 billion)
Given that there is a high probability you are Christian, or at least were at some point, did you even read your own holy book? There is no excuse for how bigoted you act had actually looked at what was actually written and if you did read them you are simply being a hypocrite...

Additionally using strict interpretation your quotes listed from the Koran are in reference to the belief in Allah with Allah being Arabic for "the God" which happens to the same god that the other Abrahamic religions believe in. So I'm somewhat unsure what you are trying to get at with them... unless trying to prove you are just trolling...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

This is all just from one book in the bible:

You must also tell the Israelites these things: Anyone living in Israel who gives one of their children to the false god Molech must be killed! It doesn’t matter if they are a citizen of Israel or a foreigner, you must throw stones at them and kill them.

If a woman has sexual relations with an animal, you must kill the woman and the animal. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.

A man or a woman who is a medium or a wizard must be put to death. The people must kill them with stones. They are responsible for their own death.

Bring the man who cursed to a place outside the camp. Then bring together everyone who heard him curse. They will put their hands on his head. And then all the people must throw stones at him and kill him

Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the man who cursed to a place outside the camp. Then they killed him with stones. So the Israelites did just what the Lord had commanded Moses.

Relegion isn't the book, it's what people make of it.

Some people are real assholes.

Don't be an asshole.

 

[gururu2]

Infidels are defined in the quran as those who do not believe in God. Christians and Jews are actually not considered infidels. Chinese christians and muslims are not considered infidels. Extremists are simply targeting those who are at war with the caliphate or those supporting anti-Islamic ideals (westernization). They are not killing people because they think they are infidels. They are telling people to back off.

 

[CZroe]

Infidels are defined in the quran as those who do not believe in God. Christians and Jews are actually not considered infidels. Chinese christians and muslims are not considered infidels. Extremists are simply targeting those who are at war with the caliphate or those supporting anti-Islamic ideals (westernization). They are not killing people because they think they are infidels. They are telling people to back off.

Bull. They kill other Muslims who don't prescribe to their particular flavor of Islam. They expand and infiltrate. They OPENLY seek to establish a new Caliphate. They are not "just trying to get The West to back off." 🙄 They waited until The West backed off to launch their full offensive knowing full well that it was going to attract The West to confront them sooner or later.

 

[Mai72]

Well, let's just say if a punk goes into a movie theater and starts shooting, he will be dead and his whole immediate family will suddenly be m.i.a.
In USA, more than a year later, he's still breathing and a movie about him will be made. Only in Americuh

Already took place. Check out James Holmes. The guy isn't even a Muslim.

Then check out Eliot Rodger. A gentleman's lady that couldn't even get laid. All he wanted was a girlfriend. All his victims got was a bullet to the dome.

: (

 

[gururu2]

Bull. They kill other Muslims who don't prescribe to their particular flavor of Islam. They expand and infiltrate. They OPENLY seek to establish a new Caliphate. They are not "just trying to get The West to back off." 🙄 They waited until The West backed off to launch their full offensive knowing full well that it was going to attract The West to confront them sooner or later.

I didn't say they were right. And most Muslims would agree that they are not following the quran as intended. But OP wanted a definition of what an infidel is and that is what any educated Muslim will tell you.

 

[CZroe]

I didn't say they were right. And most Muslims would agree that they are not following the quran as intended. But OP wanted a definition of what an infidel is and that is what any educated Muslim will tell you.

I was mostly responding to where you said this:
"Extremists are simply targeting those who are at war with the caliphate or those supporting anti-Islamic ideals (westernization). They are not killing people because they think they are infidels. They are telling people to back off."

They are moving in where The West backed off and challenging the West to return. When The West leaves Fallujah and THEN ISIS/ISIL takes over Fallujah, the message is not "get your Western influence out of Fallujah." They are taking advantage of vulnerabilities to grow the caliphate and challenge any who resist. They do not distinguish "resistance" from Muslims they invaded or Christians who refuse to convert or foreigners bombing their resources.

 

[SP33Demon]

This is all just from one book in the bible:






Relegion isn't the book, it's what people make of it.

Some people are real assholes.

Don't be an asshole.

Nice try quoting Mosaic/Old Testament Law. It's obvious that most Christians follow the New Testament where Jesus abolished Mosaic Law. Read Matthew 5:17-18, or Paul's verses in Ephesians.

(5) In addition to the points listed above, Paul clearly argues, in his letter to the Ephesians, that the “law of commandments contained in ordinances” was “abolished” by the death of Jesus upon the cross (2:14-15)....

Paul uses this term twice in Romans 7:2,6 — showing that just as a wife is “discharged” from the law of her husband when he dies, even so, through the death of the body of Christ, men were “discharged” from the obligations of the Mosaic law. That the law here contemplated is the law of Moses, including the ten commandments, is demonstrated by the reference to the tenth commandment in Romans 7:7 (cf. Ex. 20:17).

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/485-did-christ-abolish-the-law-of-moses

The problem is that there is no story like Jesus in the quran that abolishes all the verses in the quran that command them to violence and hatred toward their enemies. You conveniently left that out. Nice try though.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Bombing a Russian airliner, the attacks in Paris, killing indiscriminately in the ME, publicly executing children for watching a soccer game on TV, throwing gays off of buildings, etc. As far as I can tell, ISIS is asking for a global ass beating. I think they are more likely to unite countries rather than cause WWIII.

The problem is that most countries only come out, yes we have to fight ISIS,but most don't want to spend money and the countries surrounding Syria don't care and probably helping ISIS,that's why i say if USA and the rest of the world don't support Assad this will never ends,because Assad in my opinion is the only one that can put an end to these ISIS terrorists in Syria.

 

[Matthiasa]

Nice try quoting Mosaic/Old Testament Law. It's obvious that most Christians follow the New Testament where Jesus abolished Mosaic Law. Read Matthew 5:17-18, or Paul's verses in Ephesians.


https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/485-did-christ-abolish-the-law-of-moses

The problem is that there is no story like Jesus in the quran that abolishes all the verses in the quran that command them to violence and hatred toward their enemies. You conveniently left that out. Nice try though.

Strickly speaking you can get the New testament to say basicly anything.
Counter point

Luke 19:27

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Matthew 10:32-36

32 Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven.

34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law:

36 and a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

 

[Double Trouble]

Strickly speaking you can get the New testament to say basicly anything.
Counter point

Luke 19:27


Matthew 10:32-36

I don't particularly care what one book says instead of another book. It doesn't really matter. What matters is how the adherents or believers interpret the religion. The proof is in the pudding. One particular religion currently has too many followers bent on violence who don't believe in basic freedoms. It also happens to be the fastest growing religion. I don't see any way to resolve that problem.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

i blame canada

and that bitch, Anne Murray too!

 

[SP33Demon]

Strickly speaking you can get the New testament to say basicly anything.
Counter point

Luke 19:27


Matthew 10:32-36

Yes any text is open to any interpretation. But only one "religion" is behind the majority of terror attacks in the world.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Where the hell do you get your information?

altered state of consciousness?

 

[Bitek]

Yes yes, the Christian religious texts are somewhat less violent and backwards than that other middle eastern dark age book of supernaturalism, the Koran.


As far as China goes, you would have to first answer what is to be gained by confronting China over Europe and the US? Not really an attractive target

 

[Vic]

The Chinese don't worry about political correctness. They deal with issues very harshly. Compare that to America. We can't do anything without being blasted in the media.

Fox News had an American General on he was concerned that we aren't able to go after the terrorists because of the PC atmosphere that has taken over our military/society. I normally disagree with Fox, but not on this.

This isn't political correctness, it's because the Chinese don't have freedom of speech or the press.

 

[Oric]

Chinese do not meddle with Middle East politics, bomb ME nations or directly support Israel so why should they become a target ?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Yes any text is open to any interpretation. But only one "religion" is behind the majority of terror attacks in the world.

And now we've argued you off of the "it's the text!" to "it's the culture!"

And the moment I go after the culture, you'll be back to "it's the text!"

 

[MongGrel]

NM.