Do most Republicans really think Bush deserves more credit for killing Bin Laden?

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Well Obama did look rather superfluous in images I saw of war room. Like sitting off to the side and unengaged. You know like the kid no one want's to pick to be on their team in a game of half court...Hard to say but fun read.

Was this one of the images?

But seriously, I'm glad so many folks are getting a kick out of accusing most of the people in that room of treason just so they can take a stab at the president.

 

[wuliheron]

But seriously, I'm glad so many folks are getting a kick out of accusing most of the people in that room of treason just so they can take a stab at the president.

They're starting to make Joseph McCarthy look positively sane. I can't help but wonder if Obama chose to go after Bin Laden right now as a way to highlight the insanity right after giving the birthers a bitch slap. Like pouring blood in the water and waiting for the sharks to frenzy so you have an excuse to shoot them.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Welcome to politics.

I am a republican. I believe Obama deserves all the credit. If Bush had still been president, I'd have given him full credit for it.

My only misgivings are that the intel required to find the guy, as I understand it, was acquired by waterboarding, which the left abhors. So I find it a little convenient that the left so readily (and partisan-ly) lionizes Obama for an act which could not have taken place but for a procedure they despise (and for which they excoriated the Bush administration). If Bin Laden had been killed under Bush, I doubt they would've been so euphoric.

Alas, it's all politics. It's about what team you're on, not what you've done.

Waterboarding, what our country's best (real ones not the fakes in the White House at the time)interrogation experts call a useless and inefficient technique? Sure you want to crow about that?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

A senior U.S. military official Monday credited President Obama for having a prominent role in pushing and shaping the plan to get Osama bin Laden. “In the final weeks and really months of this, his personal interest and direction and attention pushed the case to a new level that enabled real action,” the official told reporters. “And I think that role is quite important.”

On Tuesday, White House officials began to offer more details on exactly how Obama had shaped the final assault plan. In particular, the President, they said, urged the Pentagon to revisit the number of helicopters it planned to bring into Pakistani airspace on the mission. One of those extra helicopters later played a role in the mission.

The president made his concerns known in a briefing about 10 days before the assault on the bin Laden compound. According to senior aides, Obama felt that the special operations COA, or course of action, was too risky. Under the COA at that time, only two helicopters would enter Pakistani airspace, leaving little backup if something went wrong. “I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

So the plan was revised. Ultimately, four helicopters flew into Pakistani airspace, including two refueling helicopters that carried additional personnel. In the end, the extra forces didn’t need to fight their way out of the compound, but a backup helicopter did play a key role in the operation. One of the two primary assault helicopters, an HH-60 Pave Hawk lost its lift, landed hard and had to be destroyed. The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/0...y-out-option-in-bin-laden-raid/#ixzz1LVwnUvJH

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[Generator]

Why the fuck are George Bush's goons all over the television?! You would think he have sense to keep his head down like the lowly dog he is.

I can't wait till the press starts asking the question if anyone in the US government may have knew where OBL was. We all assume Pakistan knew, but are you going to tell me there is not one American soul who knew where Osama bin Laden was?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Was this one of the images?

And just moments later:

 

[Siddhartha]

You and Gonad are so full of shit. Plenty of republicans have given Obama a lot of credit for this action. The point is that you two have you lips wrapped so tightly around Obama's nut sack that you just can't possibly accept that they have given him credit.

I specifically wrote the "NObama" group that can not give Mr Obama positive credit for anything he does no matter how well it turns out. Any one who has given Mr Obama credit for killing bin Laden by definition is not who I was referring to.

I really do not hang out around ball sacks so I suspect you are projecting your interests onto me.

 

[Macamus Prime]

* Bush continues hanging out with a bunch of kids when he is told the planes hit TWC
* He sends troops into Afhgan, leading to Osama escaping into Pakistan
* Pakistan leads Bush admin around like a bear with a chain in it's nose
* He invades a country that didn't have any WMDs
* He declares victory, yet we are still getting our asses kicked
* He hangs out until 2008.
* Obama comes in and kills/catches Osama in 2011
* Bush should get more credit,...

More credit for,... what exactly? Screwing up? Sure!

More credit for,... sending American soliders to be target practice in Iraq for Extremists? Sure!

More credit for,... botching two fucking invasions that led no where? Sure!

 

[xj0hnx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes&feature=share

Come on Macamus, I know you can some up with better cherry picked partisan lines than that.

 

[sMiLeYz]

And just moments later:

/tinfoil
That can't be real Obama is using a playstation controller in the first picture second picture that is an Xbox achievement unlock. Osama, like the truth is still out there...

 

[UberNeuman]

 

[Steeplerot]

 

[HomerJS]

Here''s why Bush gets very little if no credit...

Aug 2001 he gets a PDB quoting "UBL determined to attack insode US. BUsh takes and says "ok you covered your ass you can leave now."

9/11 happens on his watch and he now says were going to get him "dead or alive"

6 months later "I don't spend a lot of time thinking about him"


In less then one year he goes from not giving a shit to dead or alive to not giving a shit again.

 

[marvdmartian]

Bush failed, and Obama succeeded.

How exactly is that 50-50 ?

If Osama had been found during Bush's time in office, do you doubt for a moment he would have hesitated in okaying the attack?

Bush kept up the pressure during his administration, as did Obama. The finding, and subsequent killing, of that vermin was nothing more than a matter of timing.

Credit to Bush for starting the process, credit to Obama for having the 'nads to say "Go for it!"

 

[HomerJS]

If Osama had been found during Bush's time in office, do you doubt for a moment he would have hesitated in okaying the attack?

Bush kept up the pressure during his administration, as did Obama. The finding, and subsequent killing, of that vermin was nothing more than a matter of timing.

Credit to Bush for starting the process, credit to Obama for having the 'nads to say "Go for it!"

Not true. His administration demphazied the hunt for OBL because they realized it wouldn't be easy to catch him. Also spent too many resources in Iraq.

 

[Vic Vega]

Fuck no. Niether BUSH or OBAMA deserve credit for it. though if you want to give them any it would be 50-50 why? bush started the mess going after Osama and Obama finished it by giving the OK to the team to kill his ass.

but to be honest giving either any credit for it is fucking silly.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Can we close this thread now?

 

[wuliheron]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Can we close this thread now?

No, but you can eat your crow now that you've given away your chicken dinner.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Can we close this thread now?

Congrats on holding a ridiculous position that still manages to be more rational than the Bush deserves more credit crowd.

 

[Zebo]

Was this one of the images?

But seriously, I'm glad so many folks are getting a kick out of accusing most of the people in that room of treason just so they can take a stab at the president.

LOlz

 

[wuliheron]

Congrats on holding a ridiculous position that still manages to be more rational than the Bush deserves more credit crowd.

Does that mean I get a chicken dinner? I'll take extra crispy.

 

[Lemon law]

Its my understanding that not one single bit of the intel needed to find and track OBL's courier came from waterboarding. But still, the intel means to track OBL's courier was obtained during the last of the GWB presidency.

But still the intel data to identify the courier was worthless until the courier made the mistake of making a telephone call, identifying himself by name or nickname, even if the call had nothing to do with OBL. But once the courier gave himself away, it was just a matter of tracking the courier and letting the courier lead the US to OBL.

So in that sense, I do not credit either GWB or Obama, all credit has to go to the US agents in intel who tirelessly persisted using and correlating data, waiting to take advantage of that single lucky break that finally came.

And even then we did not act, as Obama waited some eight months, to make sure we had our intel absolutely right. Image the egg on the Obama face if he got it wrong, but in that patience fact careful planning Obama proves to be way smarter than GWB.