Do Liberals really wish Conservatives would die?

[Steeplerot]

Fox is also simply a propaganda machine, MSNBC is close but not on the same level.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www

Not really, MSNBC is more like a company trying to play catch-up in ratings to Newscorps and the success of talk radio as far as garnering a large dedicated audience.

Thing is folks who get into news like a pro wrestling match are quite insular and prone to want to live in their own world. This is a double edged sword for someone who is trying to still seem like news. This is where right wingers will always be ahead. They could care less about fact. It's sensationalism and straight up money. To them cold hard hard cash and the power it brings is religious to them. Good luck beating capitalists at their own rigged game on their terms.

In reality MSNBC has very few actual shows like Maddow, and even Maddow shows how far the leash is tied to corporations like GE when it comes to criticizing the real boss.

So really you get a hour or so a day of a half-assed mainstream Democratic point of view in a failed format to appeal to liberals who have many other more modern ways of getting news then the TV set.

Throw the dog a bone now and again, it seems like you are a attentive master on the surface.

My advice to MSNBC if I suddenly had the producers ear would be William S Burroughs old line:

"Whenever you do business with a religious (in this case fanatical cultist) sonofabitch, get it in writing. The whole time you are trying to get stuff done hes got the excuse of his god telling him how to f*** you out of anything he can get."

 

[jackstar7]

I should just stick with Olbermann for now. The one thing that seemed to stick out with him is he used to do something every night on who his worst person in the world is, 95% of the time it was either Bill O'Reilly or Bush.

I thought Michael Moore was the poster-boy for Extreme Liberal. How times change.


So you believe that Olbermann is an extremist due to a laughable and pointless segment of a show he doesn't have anymore?

THAT is your equivalent to Rush Limbaugh?


I'm sorry, but I hope you don't expect people to take you seriously if this is how you draw comparisons.

 

[ViperXX]

If presented with an opportunity. I would beat the fing piss out of Bill Maher. But I don't wish him dead. Just in allot of pain.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hope for the sake of your own humanity nobody is on board with this kind of mentality. I realize people can get a little passionate in political debates, but to wish someone would for having an opposing view? And I have news for you, they all lie. From Rush to Hannity, Olberman to Maddow. If they aren't lying, they are cherry picking facts. To single out Rush shows your bias. This wasn't a one time slip of the tungue from him.

If you are even close to this kind of mentality, you are taking politics way too far.

You have a duty to liberals and to America in general to stand up for the moral position you have here. Modern brain research tells us that conservatives have, I forget, 5 or more kinds of moral judgments they make compared to only about 2 for liberals. Many liberals, for example, do not believe in God and one can only conclude from that that their morality must be relative, and if relative, can be anything like we see here, a death wish for other human beings. Thus your duty to represent a more encompassing sense of morality proper for a greater number of human beings.

But what you do instead is completely destroy your credibility by believing, at the same time, in an altered reality that any liberal can see is insane. And if you are insane so would logic dictate that your morality is too. This is how you sin against humanity, your irrationality in one area destroys what you are best able to do compared to liberals generally. And this is what a rare fellow moral absolutist on the liberal side can see.

But is gets even more complex. What do you do when your big brother and morally more gifted family member goes off the deep end and ceases to be capable of rational thinking, becomes sure that anything he happens to feel has got to be real and true, and he decides that heaven is over the next cliff, and demands to sit in the driver's seat. What do you do if the insane refuse to see that what they want to do will kill your whole nation? The closer to the cliff that conservatives drive us the more logical a death wish becomes. You start to push the envelope into such matters thoughts of just wars and imminent threats, no? Try to look at your own thoughts on what you would do about intractable insanity. It's asking a lot of others who may not have absolute morality, to accept their own death that reason shows them is coming from insanity, without taking up that one ring of power and striking that insanity down.

 

[Matt1970]

I thought Michael Moore was the poster-boy for Extreme Liberal. How times change.


So you believe that Olbermann is an extremist due to a laughable and pointless segment of a show he doesn't have anymore?

THAT is your equivalent to Rush Limbaugh?


I'm sorry, but I hope you don't expect people to take you seriously if this is how you draw comparisons.

Fine, take Olbermen out of the list then, but back in the day before even MSNBC got fed up with him he was poster child for extreme Liberalism. I thin he does still have a show it's just on some low rated cable network.

 

[Matt1970]

You have a duty to liberals and to America in general to stand up for the moral position you have here. Modern brain research tells us that conservatives have, I forget, 5 or more kinds of moral judgments they make compared to only about 2 for liberals. Many liberals, for example, do not believe in God and one can only conclude from that that their morality must be relative, and if relative, can be anything like we see here, a death wish for other human beings. Thus your duty to represent a more encompassing sense of morality proper for a greater number of human beings.

But what you do instead is completely destroy your credibility by believing, at the same time, in an altered reality that any liberal can see is insane. And if you are insane so would logic dictate that your morality is too. This is how you sin against humanity, your irrationality in one area destroys what you are best able to do compared to liberals generally. And this is what a rare fellow moral absolutist on the liberal side can see.

But is gets even more complex. What do you do when your big brother and morally more gifted family member goes off the deep end and ceases to be capable of rational thinking, becomes sure that anything he happens to feel has got to be real and true, and he decides that heaven is over the next cliff, and demands to sit in the driver's seat. What do you do if the insane refuse to see that what they want to do will kill your whole nation? The closer to the cliff that conservatives drive us the more logical a death wish becomes. You start to push the envelope into such matters thoughts of just wars and imminent threats, no? Try to look at your own thoughts on what you would do about intractable insanity. It's asking a lot of others who may not have absolute morality, to accept their own death that reason shows them is coming from insanity, without taking up that one ring of power and striking that insanity down.

And the one trick pony arives.

 

[xj0hnx]

It's funny watching the liberals circling their wagons around their talking heads.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Rush is not equivalent to the following, for obvious reasons, show me the three listed engaging in outright lies and propaganda to sew hatred.

Olberman
Maddow
Shultz

That is "sow hatred" as to scatter it about, "sew hatred" would be to stitch it together.

 

[lotus503]

That is "sow hatred" as to scatter it about, "sew hatred" would be to stitch it together.

I stand corrected but I think a case could be made he both Sows and Sews it

 

[lotus503]

It's funny watching the liberals circling their wagons around their talking heads.

I think Olberman, Maddow and Shultz are pathetic taking heads, But what they are not are flat out Hate spewing propagandists, just shitty commentators.

 

[WHAMPOM]

It's funny watching the liberals circling their wagons around their talking heads.

Mr. Facts Have A Liberal Bias speaks. "Damn you! You do what I do!"

 

[OrByte]

It's funny watching the liberals circling their wagons around their talking heads.

That's funny I was just gonna say it's funny watching right-wing media cultists cannibalizing each other

http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2012/09/21/eddie_haskell_brooks

 

[Charles Kozierok]

What is the "hate" you are so convinced that Limbaugh "sows"? To be honest, he strikes me as one of the less hateful of the right-wing radio hosts.

 

[lotus503]

Fine, take Olbermen out of the list then, but back in the day before even MSNBC got fed up with him he was poster child for extreme Liberalism. I thin he does still have a show it's just on some low rated cable network.

Extreme ideology isn't even the issue, thats where you fail miserably.

its " disinformation campaigns based on lies and false propaganda, broadcast over the radio as truth."

Id feel the same way if Rush was doing the same thing with a left slant.

 

[OrByte]

What is the "hate" you are so convinced that Limbaugh "sows"? To be honest, he strikes me as one of the less hateful of the right-wing radio hosts.

I just listened to him a few minutes ago, in like 30 seconds he "sowed" the seeds of hate

With comments like: "Democrats don't want people to get off of welfare" he is saying things that mischaracterize 50% of America, he says things that are divisive. And he says it so matter-of-fact.

He doesn't have to say hateful things, he just has to stoke the "hate" that is already out there.

 

[Steeplerot]

Die? nah, that is the reactionary way, would I like to see a lot of these divisive folks who champion bombing out other countries and calling for terrorism against fellow Americans for the sole benefit of their own wallets in the Hague behind bars? 100%

Limbaugh being first, then all the people who rode his coattails of Bircher extremism since the 80s, all the way up to Bush and Cheney.

Goebbels old right wing divisive sensationalist style of bullshit really has nothing on Limbaugh except Goebbels had much more powerful buddies to shill for, and a bit of luck as far as history when he pulled it off. Limbaugh has been at it for far longer.

We used ot have regulations to keep this stuff from happening, but then thats Reagans REAL coup. Opening the door wide to the Limbaugh and inevitable Fox political soap opera news tits and ass world of pure capitalist superficial self destructiveness.

A stab to the heart of democracy itself for pure greed, into the notion of our founding fathers that a informed Democracy is a functional one. Of course the right wing media always says democracy/government sucks and can never be functional.

Democracy and the commons has no interest/need in fitting to a narrative of profit to function, it is a tool of people. One that unless undermined should be separate from the profit motive.

To the right winger this is blasphemy sine money+power = religion.

Such a narrow minded viewpoint. But then it's corporate America spinning the message, the same morons that bring us useless crap that falls apart and the outsourcing of our labor. Not surprising

One again corporate America will overreach with its greed, the people will have to reign them in and bail their asses out, once again proving unfettered capitalism cannot exist without the people, shit gets fixed and regulated, then a few generations later some bullshit artist like Limbaugh will be back crying about his poor poor rich buddies being oppressed. And the cycle begins anew.

 

[Moonbeam]

And the one trick pony arives.

No, not really. I already had a post in this thread which you also ignored.

But I forgive you for your brain dead dismissive reply. You obviously aren't capable of anything better. It's a shame that you can't even read.

Have you ever seen the movie Forbidden Planet? In it human beings tamper with an alien machine that creates an altered reality, a death wish that lies in the unconscious of every self hating human being, a death wish that alters reality and manifests to kill all human beings, all from a machine that was built to create what all sentient creatures desire, a seminal tale of the disaster that comes from a fanatical belief in the truth of one's own best intentions, just another thing you'll likely never comprehend.

 

[Matt1970]

Extreme ideology isn't even the issue, thats where you fail miserably.

its " disinformation campaigns based on lies and false propaganda, broadcast over the radio as truth."

Id feel the same way if Rush was doing the same thing with a left slant.

There are plenty of Liberal on the radio doing the exact same thing as Rush, you just choose not to see it.

 

[Matt1970]

No, not really. I already had a post in this thread which you also ignored.

But I forgive you for your brain dead dismissive reply. You obviously aren't capable of anything better. It's a shame that you can't even read.

Have you ever seen the movie Forbidden Planet? In it human beings tamper with an alien machine that creates an altered reality, a death wish that lies in the unconscious of every self hating human being, a death wish that alters reality and manifests to kill all human beings, all from a machine that was built to create what all sentient creatures desire, a seminal tale of the disaster that comes from a fanatical belief in the truth of one's own best intentions, just another thing you'll likely never comprehend.

Sigh.....

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I just listened to him a few minutes ago, in like 30 seconds he "sowed" the seeds of hate

With comments like: "Democrats don't want people to get off of welfare" he is saying things that mischaracterize 50% of America, he says things that are divisive. And he says it so matter-of-fact.

If that's what you consider "sowing hate" then there are endless quantities of it on both sides of the aisle.

 

[OrByte]

I dont want to see conservatives die

as I democrat, I want to see a healthy republican party, there is nothing wrong with conservatism, there is something wrong with the republicans in the republican party.

Too extreme
Too angry
Too out of touch
Too reliant on litmus test(s)
Too uncompromising

For example, here in California the republican members of the state legislature continue to sign No Tax increases pacts. As a result, NO republican can compromise on ANY tax measures or else he/she will be ousted and unsupported by state republicans.

Forget about the state of affairs in California for a minute....If you are coming to a negotiation table with that sort of attitude...then how the hell are there going to be ANY compromises?

governing used to be about negotiation, give and take, compromise. I don't think it happens now.

 

[OrByte]

There are plenty of Liberal on the radio doing the exact same thing as Rush, you just choose not to see it.

like who?

 

[lotus503]

There are plenty of Liberal on the radio doing the exact same thing as Rush, you just choose not to see it.

then cite examples of them doing it on the same level, rather than tell me they are doing it show me examples of them doing it.

 

[OrByte]

If that's what you consider "sowing hate" then there are endless quantities of it on both sides of the aisle.

like who?

I gave an example.

There is always this argument that the other side does it too... when it comes to talk radio..there is no equivalence.

The right wing relies on it's talk radio.

The left wing...I don't even know who has radio shows on the air, I don't think any of it is on in my region, I'd love to be able to listen to it so I can hear for myself this equivalency that I hear exists....

otherwise I don't believe you.

 

[lotus503]

What is the "hate" you are so convinced that Limbaugh "sows"? To be honest, he strikes me as one of the less hateful of the right-wing radio hosts.

If you look up the dictionary definition of hate speech Rush covers it all.