No. This has been explained to you many times before and I'm not going to do it again. You continue to argue for special privileges for men, but you won't be allowed to have them.
End of discussion.
No. This has been explained to you many times before and I'm not going to do it again. You continue to argue for special privileges for men, but you won't be allowed to have them.
End of discussion.
No you continue to argue for special responsibility for men.
Both men and women are equally responsible for things that come out of their body.
Why should men be responsible for things that come out of a woman's body?
xBiffx
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Same reason the middle class is responsible for all those on the government dole. Someone else says so.
BoberFett
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BoberFett
Urban violence is a whole different ballgame. Those people want to remain anonymous, out of sight. When they occasionally call attention to themselves they are immediately targeted. Their goal is to acquire money illegally, which is not hard to understand. Violence is a tool to achieve that end which is predictable. These people are something of a known and widely recognized danger to be neutralized or avoided. You also do not see them publicly advocating for gang gun ownership rights. The previously discussed people are an unknown quantity. People are in a quandary because they generally want to be fair but also prudent and there is no clear course of action.
The "Sovereign Citizens" are a prime example. Many are organized, hold meetings, pass out fliers listing their imagined rights, and even forms to use for outrageous actions against government. So how will the citizen act? Who knows? Maybe he will just not pay taxes or maybe he will shoot a cop that stops him for no plates. This is almost always a rural problem.
Different problems, considerations, and solutions for different areas.
Urban violence is a whole different ballgame. Those people want to remain anonymous, out of sight. When they occasionally call attention to themselves they are immediately targeted. Their goal is to acquire money illegally, which is not hard to understand. Violence is a tool to achieve that end which is predictable. These people are something of a known and widely recognized danger to be neutralized or avoided. You also do not see them publicly advocating for gang gun ownership rights. The previously discussed people are an unknown quantity. People are in a quandary because they generally want to be fair but also prudent and there is no clear course of action.
The "Sovereign Citizens" are a prime example. Many are organized, hold meetings, pass out fliers listing their imagined rights, and even forms to use for outrageous actions against government. So how will the citizen act? Who knows? Maybe he will just not pay taxes or maybe he will shoot a cop that stops him for no plates. This is almost always a rural problem.
Different problems, considerations, and solutions for different areas.
Maybe we should ban guns. Looks like if you give a democrat a gun he'll kill you and the party is growing and growing.
Atomic Playboy
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BoberFett
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Just pointing out that your fears of conservatives with guns are ridiculous, as are so many things that "liberals" believe.
But why are all the gun nuts rural since the only place you need a gun for protection is in Democratic cities. Surely you don't need one to shoot corn and chickens or pick hay seeds of your teeth.
BoberFett
Not my fears actually. I'm too old to be afraid of much of anything anyway.
I have wandered around on this old mudball for enough years and enough places (39 states and 4 foreign countries) to have made certain observations. These I have tried to share with you as they pertain to a particular situation. Starting from a far more general sense, you can apply the principles to many others.
If you talk to people long enough, you find that they all have a common ambition: to be happy. They just find different paths to that objective. Leaving aside the myriad individually selected components that people list as a requisite for happiness, there are 2 readily observable paths that people generally subscribe too.
There is the conservative path that dictates that security and predictability only come from keeping things the same: same rules, same prohibitions, same morality, same social status, etc.. Their biggest fear? Change!
There is the liberal path that concludes that security and predictability come from increasing the comfort and contentment of the masses. Most of the thrust of this is to identify and correct those things that seem designed to be counter to comfort and contentment. Their biggest fear? The halt or regression of these achievements.
The conservative path is self-centered (carrying no negative connotations, a simple descriptive phrase). A view that society needs to function in a way that leads to personal happiness.
The liberal path is more people centered in that it is considered a natural progression that the greater the number of people comfortable in their lives, the greater the probability of favorable reactions with each other. (And no, this is not a "welfare" issue, but it does obviously include food, shelter, and health, which, believe it or not, even liberals hope for a future of self support.)
Both sides fear uncertainty and unpredictability, just from different sources.
Not my fears actually. I'm too old to be afraid of much of anything anyway.
I have wandered around on this old mudball for enough years and enough places (39 states and 4 foreign countries) to have made certain observations. These I have tried to share with you as they pertain to a particular situation. Starting from a far more general sense, you can apply the principles to many others.
If you talk to people long enough, you find that they all have a common ambition: to be happy. They just find different paths to that objective. Leaving aside the myriad individually selected components that people list as a requisite for happiness, there are 2 readily observable paths that people generally subscribe too.
There is the conservative path that dictates that security and predictability only come from keeping things the same: same rules, same prohibitions, same morality, same social status, etc.. Their biggest fear? Change!
There is the liberal path that concludes that security and predictability come from increasing the comfort and contentment of the masses. Most of the thrust of this is to identify and correct those things that seem designed to be counter to comfort and contentment. Their biggest fear? The halt or regression of these achievements.
The conservative path is self-centered (carrying no negative connotations, a simple descriptive phrase). A view that society needs to function in a way that leads to personal happiness.
The liberal path is more people centered in that it is considered a natural progression that the greater the number of people comfortable in their lives, the greater the probability of favorable reactions with each other. (And no, this is not a "welfare" issue, but it does obviously include food, shelter, and health, which, believe it or not, even liberals hope for a future of self support.)
Both sides fear uncertainty and unpredictability, just from different sources.
LunarRay
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This gun stuff seems normal liberal fear to me....
Ya see....
I live feet from where mean high tide comes to meet me and I don't ever go to the beach down below there somewhere... I was told by a statistician that the probability of my fear occurring - being eaten by a great white shark - was about as remote as being hit by a wayward bullet fired by a left handed blind midget during a food fight at the first church on the left in Brawley, Ca. I'm also afeared of flying in airplanes cuz I can't see the air that holds em up when they are up... no more so than what some say about great whites... you can't never see them before they taste you.
davmat787
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Do you think all gun owners are 'gun nuts'? I don't think I have ever seen you, or many others for that matter, refer to gun owners as anything other than 'gun nuts' or some other derogatory name.
Most gun owners don't advertise the fact they own guns, you would probably be shocked at the vast majority of owners since they are just regular, normal, everyday people.
Thebobo
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Just finished watching Lincoln (yes its my history lesson) and man have the party's flip flopped.
LunarRay
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Folks don't need a practical reason to want stuff. I know folks who HAVE to own the latest and greatest handgun. They drool as they look through the magazines and day dream about firing a .454 that breaks your hand when or if you fire it...
Not many non hunters actually hunt... and not many nutty folks have guns other than to do nutty stuffs...
Well I can tell you there is at least one very not normal person who owns guns because I have more of them than I can mentally count. No kidding, except of course, I'm totally normal to me. It's you that might have a different opinion. The thing that pisses me off about guns more than anything I can imagine is that my somebody stole my ancestor's, on my mother's side, lever action thirty thirty when I was kid. He used to rustle cattle from the Indians. I used to play with that thing.
I know, I like to collect stuff so I can't put my cars in my garage. It just seems so unhealthy to allow car exhaust in your house. But if the water heater blows it will be the Fourth of July for my neighborhood.
IGBT
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a liberals mission in life is to make all equally miserable thru politicization of culture/ society/science/weather. History teaches us that collectivist agendas fail time and time again. The mental disorder called liberalism blinds liberals and encourages them to jump off the cliff again.
Mixolydian
Lifer
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