Do liberals live in constant fear

[boomerang]

You can always tell when you stike a nerve...

 

[xBiffx]

You can always tell when you stike a nerve...

 

[kage69]

I'll indulge this troll thread.

In my experience it's conservatives who are the ones largely motivated by fear, or at least apprehension. I've lived in a number of states north to south, and have noticed that with conservatives who are outspoken about their political beliefs there is a common theme of fear over the loss of what they approve of, and the popularization of that which they hate or don't understand (or both).

I've come across liberals acting like fearmongers with regards to certain issues (usually coinciding with an election or bill vote) but it seems to me a weak comparison to the state of fear and loathing that so many conservatives choose to live in full time.

Part of it too is that conservatives have talk radio and certain fiery personalities to constantly stoke that fire, and you don't really have a liberal analog for that. They resort to comedy, which I think says a lot about some fundamental differences between the two groups.

 

[HomerJS]

Lets take good ole bloomberg as an example,

gun control
soda control
tobacco control
saturated fat control
calorie control

What are liberals so afraid of that they have to control everything?

Why cant liberals address more important issues, such as income inequality, health care,,, and other important issues that affect our society? Not saying gun control is not an important issue, but so is keeping terrorist out of this nation.

birth control control
porn control
religion control
fertilized egg control
sex control

 

[xBiffx]

porn control

We already have that.

 

[zsdersw]

We already have that.

That's not enough for the FCC and "decency" types of people.

 

[soulcougher73]

You do realize that the position you just stated is the exact opposite of liberalism right?

Liberals are those that rejoice in the state paying for other people making themselves a burden on society through their own stupid choices.

You couldnt be more wrong if you tried. What you are most likely trying to describe is a moocher.

 

[fskimospy]

I would be careful claiming what everyone's views are. That might make you look like a conceited prick.....

/caution

Sigh. Nevermind, carry on.

You honestly think that I care what someone like you thinks of me?

 

[Lazarus52980]

Do conservatives live in constant fear?

Muslims
Gays
Hispanics
Blacks

Wait... I am a conservative and am Hispanic... Does that mean I am in fear of myself???

 

[BoberFett]

Both sides have their hot buttons that are motivated by fear. Republican fears are probably somewhat dumber, homophobia for example. But they are both driven by fear of anything different.

 

[kage69]

You can always tell when you stike a nerve...

Do tell.


I hope it's something more amusing than Bill trying to suck the wind out of eskimospy's valid point. Because all I saw was a lame attempt to attribute arrogance to a poster who succinctly supported a position.

I guess I'm missing how Bill cherry picking a quip from a response directed to someone else constitutes any kind of rebuttal, let alone one that qualifies as a struck nerve.
Bill, if you have to resort to what you already set aside to make it past the OP, chances are your argument sucks and memes aren't going to change it. OP claims to know what the entire group of liberals believe because of Bloomberg's agenda. Where is your concern over conceited pricks coming from again?

 

[xBiffx]

You honestly think that I care what someone like you thinks of me?

Where did I say you did?

 

[nehalem256]

birth control control

Actually conservatives like Bobby Jindal think it should be available OTC. I recall reading feminists(liberals) complain that then they would have to pay for it.

Also, the ACA mandates(controls ) that it be made available for free.

porn control

You mean like LA required condoms? :hmm:

fertilized egg control

Isn't that what pro-choicers want?

 

[Atreus21]

I actually believe (as I have stated in other threads) that there are clear, conflicting interests. The interest of the fetus and the interest of the mother. So long as a fetus is dependent upon a woman's body to survive it is 100% her decision. Once a fetus no longer needs the mother it is deserving of protection because it is for all intents and purposes its own person. Before that point I couldn't care less.

I can't understand that. A moment before birth, a child is technically still inside of the mother. Do we apply those standards then? Are we going to decide who lives and who dies by no other criterion than their physical location?

By the way, I would in most cases view you to be a monster if you left 100 sick people to burn to death in a hospital in order to save one healthy person. I also know that if you left those people to die it would probably haunt you to the end of your days. Without checking I'm going to take a wild guess that in numerous fertility clinics around the world accidents have occurred that have caused the destruction of hundreds or thousands of embryos. Nobody cares. I also don't think that if you saw a fertility clinic fridge lose power that you would view it as an equal tragedy to an orphanage burning down with all the kids inside.

Nobody views them as the same, no matter how much they claim otherwise.

I view them as human beings in their earliest stage of development. That doesn't mean that when you force me to choose who lives and who dies I'll give the same weight to an embryo that I'd give to an adult.

 

[Matt1970]

More than 16oz of soda? Sorry, I had to.

 

[badb0y]

I can't understand that. A moment before birth, a child is technically still inside of the mother. Do we apply those standards then? Are we going to decide who lives and who dies by no other criterion than their physical location?

No, a moment before birth the child can live without the mother so it's not the same situation.

I view them as human beings in their earliest stage of development. That doesn't mean that when you force me to choose who lives and who dies I'll give the same weight to an embryo that I'd give to an adult.

Exactly, because it's not the same.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's must be hell on the psyche to type out all that pointless same drivel post after post and have absolutely nobody give a rat's ass.

Why would it be? I am the one who knows the real condition of the unconscious. They do not know their condition, do not want to know it, and do not want to know they do not want to know. This is your condition. I know you don't care better than you do. What you fail to understand is that I care. I care for you and your indifference and your self hate can't do a thing about it. Those who have ears to hear will listen. I answer to my conscious only. You are worth more than you can possibly imagine. I have to do what I can with total indifference to outcome. You are in a prison you cannot see.

 

[Atreus21]

No, a moment before birth the child can live without the mother so it's not the same situation.

In that case, the argument fails not only for a moment before abortion, but pretty much at any time after 22 weeks.

Exactly, because it's not the same.

I know it's not. But that doesn't mean they're not human beings.

 

[fskimospy]

In that case, the argument fails not only for a moment before abortion, but pretty much at any time after 22 weeks.

I know it's not. But that doesn't mean they're not human beings.

Right. I was referring to fetal viability. Up until viability people can have recreational abortions for all I care.

If you are trying to say that you consider them human life, but a form of human life deserving of less protection and fewer rights than a fully formed human, that's fine by me. That is not generally the pro life position on that however.

 

[nehalem256]

No, a moment before birth the child can live without the mother so it's not the same situation.

So at say 25 weeks a woman stops having a right to her own body?

Or are you saying that instead a woman should be able to give birth to the fetus despite the high chance of death as well as future issues from a pre-term birth?

And if the 2nd who should be responsible for paying for the medical care for the preemie?

 

[Atreus21]

Right. I was referring to fetal viability. Up until viability people can have recreational abortions for all I care.

If you are trying to say that you consider them human life, but a form of human life deserving of less protection and fewer rights than a fully formed human, that's fine by me. That is not generally the pro life position on that however.

In the situation you describe, in which someone has to die, I do consider them as secondary. But in the case of abortion we are under no such pressure unless the mother's life hangs in the balance.

 

[fskimospy]

In the situation you describe, in which someone has to die, I do consider them as secondary. But in the case of abortion we are under no such pressure unless the mother's life hangs in the balance.

So that is a yes then?

 

[Atreus21]

So that is a yes then?

To what question?

 

[fskimospy]

To what question?

That you view certain types of human life as less deserving of protection than others, depending on the circumstance.

 

[Matt1970]

Why would it be? I am the one who knows the real condition of the unconscious. They do not know their condition, do not want to know it, and do not want to know they do not want to know. This is your condition. I know you don't care better than you do. What you fail to understand is that I care. I care for you and your indifference and your self hate can't do a thing about it. Those who have ears to hear will listen. I answer to my conscious only. You are worth more than you can possibly imagine. I have to do what I can with total indifference to outcome. You are in a prison you cannot see.

It must be hell on the psyche to be the only one who know everyone's problem and yet nobody seems give a rat's ass about your opinion.