Do liberals live in constant fear

[Arkaign]

Liberals are idiots and they are always in fear. They believe too much of the BS spouted by the MSM.

You can say the exact same by replacing that with 'Conservatives' and 'Talk Radio'. And it's just as true for the most part. I very very rarely find a dedicated conservative or liberal that's not blinded by partisan hackery, and hypocritical in their supposed 'principles'.

 

[fskimospy]

The fact that I chose the healthy over the infirm in my example does not prove that I don't think sick people are human beings. It means that I was forced to apply criteria I ordinarily wouldn't apply, such as valuing some human lives over others.

So what criteria are you applying to those embryos that you are not applying to the baby that makes you willing to sacrifice hundreds of them to save one baby?

 

[Jaskalas]

And on the right we have terrorism, drugs, homosexuals, atheists, crime, immigrants, regulations, taxes, etc., ad nauseum. Don't work so hard at being a partisan moron. You're a natural.

And if the liberal left would stop fighting, all of those would be fixed.

Imadinnerjacket fixed one of those for ya.

 

[Atreus21]

So what criteria are you applying to those embryos that you are not applying to the baby that makes you willing to sacrifice hundreds of them to save one baby?

Arbitrary ones. Emotional ones. The baby can feel pain and the embryos can't. The baby has better prospects. There is no guarantee the embryos will be born. The emotional trauma of listening to a screaming baby burn to death.

Basically the same logic that pro-aborts use to justify abortion in general.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is little need to argue the point about whether liberals or conservatives are more motivated by fear. It has been factually determined by scientific experiments, numbers of them, that the conservative brain is the one that reacts must strongly to fear. This has been demonstrated not only at the physical level by the fact that the fear centers of the brains of conservatives are larger and the fact that the part of the brain that suppresses fear reactions from influencing reason and rationality are smaller than in liberals, but also in numerous reactions judging fear response and related issues, that conservatives react more strongly.

So it is a scientifically proven fact that conservatives are fear motivated more than liberals are. Conservatives here are arguing that the earth is flat and that evolution doesn't exist.

Another interesting fact about conservative thinking, if you can actually call it thinking in light of the information I am about to present, is that conservatives go for simple explanations to things and do not like to put any effort into thinking and analysis. They just don't like stuff that is ambiguous and complex. A fetus is a baby, for example, so a woman is a slave. The implications of their absolute black and white thinking are lost on them. They are all about self protection of the ego.

The only problem is that their certainty about their own moral rectitude, coupled with their simplemindedness, makes them dangerous for society as a whole when they vote. They are so frightened of the consequences of any change to their conformist rules they can't adapt or evolve to meet future dangers such as global warming. Like frogs in a slowly heating pot of water, they will cook before they jump. Fear, fear, fear! Out of the frying pan into the fire.

 

[raildogg]

We all live in constant fear. That is why we do what we do. Forget these narrow terms such as liberal or conservative.

 

[fskimospy]

Arbitrary ones. Emotional ones. The baby can feel pain and the embryos can't. The baby has better prospects. There is no guarantee the embryos will be born. The emotional trauma of listening to a screaming baby burn to death.

Basically the same logic that pro-aborts use to justify abortion in general.

Nah, I'm pro-choice and my logic is entirely that it's the woman's body and therefore her choice. That's the beginning and end of it. Nearly all of the things about fetal pain, etc, etc come from anti-choice people.

You are implicitly accepting the fact that embryos are not deserving of the same protection as a baby if you think that not even one hundred embryos are worth the life of a single child.

 

[xBiffx]

We all live in constant fear.

Speak for yourself. Fear is not a constant in my life.

 

[raildogg]

Speak for yourself. Fear is not a constant in my life.

Ok. You're a rare exception. Or maybe you don't realize your fears. Either case, sorry if any offense was taken.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Liberals are idiots and they are always in fear. They believe too much of the BS spouted by the MSM.

Based on your troll threads here, you fear a lot.

To the OP, those that need to conceal carry their weapons, they're not in fear?

 

[xBiffx]

Ok. You're a rare exception. Or maybe you don't realize your fears. Either case, sorry if any offense was taken.

No offense, not at all. I have fears, without a doubt. The distinction I was making is that they are not constant. They come and go and are replaced time and again. There are also times where I have no fear as well.

 

[Atreus21]

Nah, I'm pro-choice and my logic is entirely that it's the woman's body and therefore her choice. That's the beginning and end of it. Nearly all of the things about fetal pain, etc, etc come from anti-choice people.

You are implicitly accepting the fact that embryos are not deserving of the same protection as a baby if you think that not even one hundred embryos are worth the life of a single child.

Again, is my example proof that I don't think the sick are deserving of the same protection? In a way, yes, but only in extreme situations which require us to apply hasty values to human lives.

That some people must be sacrificed in some situations is no proof that I thought those people were not human.

To turn the tables on you, if you really believe that it's the woman's body and her choice, then do you support abortion 5 seconds before the child is born? If not, is it fair to say you don't really believe it's her body? And if so, how are you not a monster?

 

[Incorruptible]

Based on your troll threads here, you fear a lot.

To the OP, those that need to conceal carry their weapons, they're not in fear?

No I don't. I just like to expose all the dangerous things that are going on.

 

[berzerker60]

In this level of partisan troll thread, I'm sure science isn't welcome, but science says it's the exact opposite of the initial argument:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

Liberals aren't "afraid" of the things you think, they're just against them. Don't project onto others your own fear of everything different from yourself and your beliefs.

 

[raildogg]

No offense, not at all. I have fears, without a doubt. The distinction I was making is that they are not constant. They come and go and are replaced time and again. There are also times where I have no fear as well.

That makes sense. When we're focused on something, fear subsides. Or when we're having pleasure, it also isn't there. That means that fear raises it's head when we're doing something else or are not paying attention. At least this is what happens to me. I have realized that fear comes several from other traits as well, such as ambition, or lack there of. There are many others. For instance, when everything goes our way (it's rare), we temporarily forget fears but that is only temporary. (Sorry for using the term "we" since I can only speak for myself).

 

[Moonbeam]

Nah, I'm pro-choice and my logic is entirely that it's the woman's body and therefore her choice. That's the beginning and end of it. Nearly all of the things about fetal pain, etc, etc come from anti-choice people.

You are implicitly accepting the fact that embryos are not deserving of the same protection as a baby if you think that not even one hundred embryos are worth the life of a single child.

Conservatives have a wider range of factors they regard as moral issues and one of them is purity. Once they accept the easy logic that a unique human individual is created at conception they are stuck because to abort it after that point violates an absolute their sense of purity can't let go of. All the negative consequences that an unwanted child brings to the world must be swept under the rug. They have to protect the sanctity of their ego but demand that everybody else do the same. They can't live happily in an impure black and white world. Everybody must conform. There can be no choice for women. It's an absolute issue. Abortion is impure and evil and you will live by that, whoever you are.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No I don't. I just like to expose all the dangerous things that are going on.

What a strange thing to do for someone who isn't afraid. Why not focus on the happy things going on in society? Or do they not get those articles on stormfront?

 

[Matt1970]

There is little need to argue the point about whether liberals or conservatives are more motivated by fear. It has been factually determined by scientific experiments, numbers of them, that the conservative brain is the one that reacts must strongly to fear. This has been demonstrated not only at the physical level by the fact that the fear centers of the brains of conservatives are larger and the fact that the part of the brain that suppresses fear reactions from influencing reason and rationality are smaller than in liberals, but also in numerous reactions judging fear response and related issues, that conservatives react more strongly.

So it is a scientifically proven fact that conservatives are fear motivated more than liberals are. Conservatives here are arguing that the earth is flat and that evolution doesn't exist.

Another interesting fact about conservative thinking, if you can actually call it thinking in light of the information I am about to present, is that conservatives go for simple explanations to things and do not like to put any effort into thinking and analysis. They just don't like stuff that is ambiguous and complex. A fetus is a baby, for example, so a woman is a slave. The implications of their absolute black and white thinking are lost on them. They are all about self protection of the ego.

The only problem is that their certainty about their own moral rectitude, coupled with their simplemindedness, makes them dangerous for society as a whole when they vote. They are so frightened of the consequences of any change to their conformist rules they can't adapt or evolve to meet future dangers such as global warming. Like frogs in a slowly heating pot of water, they will cook before they jump. Fear, fear, fear! Out of the frying pan into the fire.

It's must be hell on the psyche to type out all that pointless same drivel post after post and have absolutely nobody give a rat's ass.

 

[Atreus21]

It's must be hell on the psyche to type out all that pointless same drivel post after post and have absolutely nobody give a rat's ass.

I laughed at this.

 

[mikeymikec]

One thing I find strange about this forum is how people seem to have picked up some very odd views on what conservatism or liberalism actually means. As I don't live in the US I'm not aware of how much the media tries to distort the meaning of these terms and then use those distorted meanings to suit their own purposes.

I suggest people do a bit of reading up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Because the sort of behaviour that some people are labelling as "liberal" views are almost the complete opposite, for example.

One other thing that happens is that because certain political parties have been regarded as "left" or "right" and if they've held certain liberal or conservative views in the past, the rest of their views also seem to then get labelled as liberal or conservative.

For example, the UK Labour party's tendency towards socialism might be considered liberal in some ways, but every time they come to power, they want to spy on the populace as much as possible and create nanny state laws, neither of which can be considered liberal in the slightest. However, they brought in the national minimum wage which definitely can be seen as a move to 'level the playing field' (ie. reducing the distance between the most wealthy and least wealthy in society).

I certainly wouldn't label myself as a liberal by the standards that people on this forum seem to have, however I believe in personal freedoms and equal rights.

By Wikipedia's definition of conservatism I would be surprised if anyone would regard themselves as a total conservative, and yet my UK political leanings are somewhere between the conservatives and the liberal democrats.

 

[nehalem256]

Nah, I'm pro-choice and my logic is entirely that it's the woman's body and therefore her choice. That's the beginning and end of it. Nearly all of the things about fetal pain, etc, etc come from anti-choice people.

You are implicitly accepting the fact that embryos are not deserving of the same protection as a baby if you think that not even one hundred embryos are worth the life of a single child.

Except if we accept that logic pro-choicers should equally support an abortion at 8.9 months. Most do not.

And the reason is the same. You see a picture of a zygote vs. a picture of 8.9 month fetus which do you feel more emotionally connection with.

Or consider a woman that is upset over having a miscarriage. Would you tell her to get over is since it wasn't really a life she lost?

 

[fskimospy]

Again, is my example proof that I don't think the sick are deserving of the same protection? In a way, yes, but only in extreme situations which require us to apply hasty values to human lives.

That some people must be sacrificed in some situations is no proof that I thought those people were not human.

To turn the tables on you, if you really believe that it's the woman's body and her choice, then do you support abortion 5 seconds before the child is born? If not, is it fair to say you don't really believe it's her body? And if so, how are you not a monster?

I actually believe (as I have stated in other threads) that there are clear, conflicting interests. The interest of the fetus and the interest of the mother. So long as a fetus is dependent upon a woman's body to survive it is 100% her decision. Once a fetus no longer needs the mother it is deserving of protection because it is for all intents and purposes its own person. Before that point I couldn't care less.

By the way, I would in most cases view you to be a monster if you left 100 sick people to burn to death in a hospital in order to save one healthy person. I also know that if you left those people to die it would probably haunt you to the end of your days. Without checking I'm going to take a wild guess that in numerous fertility clinics around the world accidents have occurred that have caused the destruction of hundreds or thousands of embryos. Nobody cares. I also don't think that if you saw a fertility clinic fridge lose power that you would view it as an equal tragedy to an orphanage burning down with all the kids inside.

Nobody views them as the same, no matter how much they claim otherwise.

 

[xBiffx]

obody views them as the same, no matter how much they claim otherwise.

I would be careful claiming what everyone's views are. That might make you look like a conceited prick.....

/caution

Nobody cares.

Sigh. Nevermind, carry on.

 

[Phokus]

In this level of partisan troll thread, I'm sure science isn't welcome, but science says it's the exact opposite of the initial argument:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
Liberals aren't "afraid" of the things you think, they're just against them. Don't project onto others your own fear of everything different from yourself and your beliefs.

Then again, conservatives hate science, so this will fall on deaf ears.

 

[Incorruptible]

You can say the exact same by replacing that with 'Conservatives' and 'Talk Radio'. And it's just as true for the most part. I very very rarely find a dedicated conservative or liberal that's not blinded by partisan hackery, and hypocritical in their supposed 'principles'.

Unfortunately there are too many people on both sides blinded by partisan hackery. They only attack the other side.

Many of the so called "Conservatives" on talk radio aren't even real Conservatives. Many of them supported romney yet romney is the same as obama and bush and he supports big government. There was hardly anything Conservative about him.