Do liberals live in constant fear

[nehalem256]

Shocker that you are trying to turn this into how much you hate women again. No thanks.

Um, no I was explaining how the left is filled with closed-minded people. Did you even read what I wrote?

You have a serious mental issue when it comes to them. I suggest you talk to your Canadian Girlfriend about it.

Aww, are you still upset that cutting off your balls doesn't get you laid as much as you thought it would?

 

[nehalem256]

Do conservatives live in constant fear?

Muslims
Gays
Hispanics
Blacks

Supporting or not supporting SSM has nothing to do with fearing the gays.

Supporting the rule of law has nothing to do with fearing hispanics.

Not even sure where you get the fear of blacks thing.

Thanks for once again demonstrating liberal closed-mindedness.

 

[zsdersw]

Supporting or not supporting SSM has nothing to do with fearing the gays.

That's a strawman. No one said it did.

Those who are homophobic in the US are almost always on the conservative/Republican side of the political aisle. That's a fact.

 

[Atreus21]

Right, but clearly as has been discussed they do not view a fertilized egg as a child. (and fundamentally as I described in my abortion clinic fire analogy, neither does anyone else when push comes to shove)

What analogy is that?

 

[nehalem256]

That's a strawman. No one said it did.

Those who are homophobic in the US are almost always on the conservative/Republican side of the political aisle. That's a fact.

And what does this have to do with fear?

Is it not possible to dislike something without being afraid of it?

 

[fskimospy]

What analogy is that?

I don't want to derail this thread, so if you want to talk about it more after this we can make another one.

Basically however my argument is that no one actually believes life starts at conception. Imagine yourself in a fertility clinic on fire and there's a baby trapped there. Next to it is a tray of a few hundred fertilized embryos. You can only carry one out. (maybe you only have one arm!) If you really think all those fertilized embryos are human life every bit as deserving of protection as that baby, your choice is clear. Save the tray of embryos, leave the baby to die.

No sane person would make that choice.

 

[surfsatwerk]

And what does this have to do with fear?

Is it not possible to dislike something without being afraid of it?

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

 

[Atreus21]

I don't want to derail this thread, so if you want to talk about it more after this we can make another one.

Basically however my argument is that no one actually believes life starts at conception. Imagine yourself in a fertility clinic on fire and there's a baby trapped there. Next to it is a tray of a few hundred fertilized embryos. You can only carry one out. (maybe you only have one arm!) If you really think all those fertilized embryos are human life every bit as deserving of protection as that baby, your choice is clear. Save the tray of embryos, leave the baby to die.

No sane person would make that choice.

And that's not really a fair analogy. People don't make decisions in an emergency the way they do normally. You might just as well say that people don't think the infirm are human beings under a similar emergency where the choice is to save the healthy or the sick.

 

[nehalem256]

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

So liberals fear people who disagree with them. Then they get mad at them and start to hate them. This leads them to revel in destroying the livelihood of elderly women (suffering).

Seems like liberals are the ones with a fear problem.

 

[fskimospy]

And that's not really a fair analogy. People don't make decisions in an emergency the way they do normally. You might just as well say that people don't think the infirm are human beings under a similar emergency where the choice is to save the healthy or the sick.

When people prioritize like that in an emergency the justification is that they would be unable to save the infirm (or at least the infirm would be substantially less likely to be saved). In this case your ability to save both is exactly equal. You have the choice of dozens if not hundreds of 'human lives' or a single baby. If you actually believe they are all equal lives the choice is unbelievably clear, yet I think most people would agree that if anyone chooses that tray of embryos they have a severe mental disorder.

With that in mind I think it's pretty clear that people don't ACTUALLY view fertilized embryos as human lives in the same way as they do a baby. They might say they do, but when the chips are down they don't.

 

[zsdersw]

And what does this have to do with fear?

Is it not possible to dislike something without being afraid of it?

What does SSM have to do with fear? No one but you brought SSM into this thread.

Fear is what leads to anti-homosexual violence and hatred.

Those who "dislike" homosexuals or homosexuality but aren't violent, antagonistic, or harassing toward homosexuals usually aren't that way out of fear.

 

[zsdersw]

So liberals fear people who disagree with them. Then they get mad at them and start to hate them. This leads them to revel in destroying the livelihood of elderly women (suffering).

Seems like liberals are the ones with a fear problem.

Many on the right have this problem too.

 

[child of wonder]

And if the liberal left would stop fighting, all of those would be fixed.

lol

"If you would stop fighting us when we try to limit the rights of gays, teach creationism in schools, curtail women's rights, legislate our religion into public law, etc. then we wouldn't have any problems!"

 

[Juddog]

Troll thread by a troll.

 

[zsdersw]

lol

"If you would stop fighting us when we try to limit the rights of gays, teach creationism in schools, curtail women's rights, legislate our religion into public law, etc. then we wouldn't have any problems!"

I'm not sure if that's what he actually meant or if he was being sarcastic.

 

[bshole]

I also don't want to pay your medical bills so when you develop cancer or ephysema please kill yourself before becoming a burden on society.

Damn dude, that seems harsh. Do you really mean that?

 

[umbrella39]

Liberals living in fear? LMAO. From a disciple of the party of fear! Oh the irony. From one of the ones with the HIGHLY overactive fear center. From a FUD peddler... Get a mirror OP and look into daily for a glimpse into the problems you must deal with before there is any hope for you. Yours is not a lost cause, yet... there might still be hope for you. Others here... way too late.

 

[Atreus21]

When people prioritize like that in an emergency the justification is that they would be unable to save the infirm (or at least the infirm would be substantially less likely to be saved).

In my example, the hypothetical situation is that you have a healthy and a sick person, both able to be moved, and you can only choose one to save. Speaking for myself, I'd choose the healthy person because I'd be forced to apply distinctions to one life over another, distinctions that can only be made during an emergency, that would be barbaric if ever applied in a normal setting, by asking questions like who is worth more to society, who has better prospects, etc.

In this case your ability to save both is exactly equal. You have the choice of dozens if not hundreds of 'human lives' or a single baby. If you actually believe they are all equal lives the choice is unbelievably clear, yet I think most people would agree that if anyone chooses that tray of embryos they have a severe mental disorder.

Perhaps, but it's still not a good analogy because it takes place in an emergency, where someone is forced to find some criterion to dehumanize one and save another.

With that in mind I think it's pretty clear that people don't ACTUALLY view fertilized embryos as human lives in the same way as they do a baby. They might say they do, but when the chips are down they don't.

Correction: When forced to choose one at another's expense they don't. When the chips are down, everything is up for redefinition.

 

[fskimospy]

In my example, the hypothetical situation is that you have a healthy and a sick person, both able to be moved, and you can only choose one to save. Speaking for myself, I'd choose the healthy person because I'd be forced to apply distinctions to one life over another, distinctions that can only be made during an emergency, that would be barbaric if ever applied in a normal setting, by asking questions like who is worth more to society, who has better prospects, etc.

Perhaps, but it's still not a good analogy because it takes place in an emergency, where someone is forced to find some criterion to dehumanize one and save another.

Correction: When forced to choose one at another's expense they don't.

Well that's sort of my whole point. If you had two screaming babies sitting next to each other the choice wouldn't be clear. Most people would agonize over which one to save. When put in an extreme situation with embryos in a tray and a baby, people don't agonize.

You use extreme situations to draw sharp distinctions. When push comes to shove, nobody really believes they are human life equal to that of a baby. Maybe you think they are deserving of more protection than they get now, and maybe you think that it's still morally wrong to have an abortion at any time. That's all fine.

I just have no time for the people who try to make the argument that human life equal to ours starts at conception as clearly no one really believes it.

 

[Matt1970]

And how much of this fear is trumped up by politicians on both sides?

 

[Arkaign]

Imho popular 'liberal' and 'conservative' positions seem to be hypocritical to liberty and freedom. Fear is a part of this for sure.

People aren't logical by nature anyway. Terrorism and the response is a great example of this. Take the Boston bombers. Killed a few people, and then many many many thousands of man-hours and effort was undertaken in finding them (good work by those that did of course), but this was a tremendous expense and timesink. Meanwhile more people died and were injured in traffic accidents in the Boston area alone during that search time. I'm not saying to let terrorists get away with it, but it does seem to incite a certain madness in people. If a criminal had walked into a ghetto liquor store and shot three people to death and escaped, there would be an effort to find him, but probably 1/100th the circus that ensued looking for the bomber bros.

Let's look at issues hypocritical to freedom and lack of fear for both 'sides' (typically speaking, there are exceptions in individuals who may lean one way or the other).

Conservatives :

Gay Marriage
Drug War
Immigration
Abortion
Civil Liberties
Budget Balancing (this is a threat against liberty due to risking the finances of every citizen)
Foreign Interventionism

Liberal :

Firearms
Civil Liberties
Budget Balancing
Foreign Interventionism

In the end, both political parties are much more intent on taking liberties away from perceived threats, and of accumulating power, than of preserving liberty or leaving people alone. You'll notice that the parties actually share some/most anti-freedom stances just due to the nature of politics.

 

[xBiffx]

Everyone wishes that the man whom he fears would perish. -Ovid

 

[Incorruptible]

Liberals are idiots and they are always in fear. They believe too much of the BS spouted by the MSM.

 

[Paul98]

Lets take good ole bloomberg as an example,

gun control
soda control
tobacco control
saturated fat control
calorie control

What are liberals so afraid of that they have to control everything?

Why cant liberals address more important issues, such as income inequality, health care,,, and other important issues that affect our society? Not saying gun control is not an important issue, but so is keeping terrorist out of this nation.

LOL, no one lives in fear of any of that stuff. Someone may be fearful that someone is pointing a gun at them. Or fearful they may gain some weight if they have been eating a lot.

Liberals can and mostly do address important issues, they have done very little in addressing the issues you have pointed out. Instead have been focused on the economy and associated issues.

As a country we easily stray from the important issues and are controlled by our emotions. We end up making stupid laws that in most cases to make us feel better but do nothing to make us safer.

 

[Atreus21]

Well that's sort of my whole point. If you had two screaming babies sitting next to each other the choice wouldn't be clear. Most people would agonize over which one to save. When put in an extreme situation with embryos in a tray and a baby, people don't agonize.

You use extreme situations to draw sharp distinctions. When push comes to shove, nobody really believes they are human life equal to that of a baby. Maybe you think they are deserving of more protection than they get now, and maybe you think that it's still morally wrong to have an abortion at any time. That's all fine.

I just have no time for the people who try to make the argument that human life equal to ours starts at conception as clearly no one really believes it.

The fact that I chose the healthy over the infirm in my example does not prove that I don't think sick people are human beings. It means that I was forced to apply criteria I ordinarily wouldn't apply, such as valuing some human lives over others.