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Do Americans feel good about this kind of behaviour?

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iamaelephant

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http://www.break.com/index/mex...immigration-rally.html

I'm not trying to patronize anyone here, I just stumbled onto this video and I'm curious what Americans think about it. I have never been to USA and I have always tried not to express my opinion about the illegal immigration issue on this forum because I'm not a taxpaying American and I'm not an immigrant to USA so I have little right to be telling Americans how to run things, but frankly I was astounded by this video. Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
 
What did the supposed immigrant say to them to get those responses? Not exactly getting both sides of the story there.

Regardless, people have the right of free speech, whether one agrees with them or not.

And I agree that the illegal immigration problem needs to be dealt with.
 
I dont even have to watch it to have a sad face 🙁

American isn't the adjective it used to be and one that I haven't used to describe myself in some time. I may live here but doesn't mean I approve of anything being done in the name of "America".

I can only hope outsiders know that just because our government and a large number of citizens who somehow get on TV are idiots we aren't all like that.
 
He had balls to go in there. I have more respect for him than any of the protestors.

You're asking this question on ATOT, and ATOT is not a broad representation of Americans. MOST of us are more civilized than those in the video.
 
Often, people need purposes in life. Hate is a very easy one to choose, because it doesn't require much thinking or effort.
 
Immigration is a very thorny issue and the US government (on federal, state and local levels) has so muddied the waters that it is not even close to being anything someone can point to and say, "this is wrong", when so much of it is wrong. The people on the video are entitled to feel the way they do because I think more than they are expressing their hate for illegal immigrants, they are expressing their frustration with their government for having no defined policy about immigration that works.

The immigration process (legal) needs to be completely overhauled. The federal government needs to protect the borders, have a clear policy to work with, and quit tying the hands of their agents. State and local officials need to quit undermining the federal immigration policies. Businesses found to knowingly employ illegals should be hit very hard in the pocket book.

This mess is what's contributing to the flood of illegals from south of the border. Until it gets fixed, the problem will never be reduced to manageable levels.
 
when you have mexican rallys flying mexican flags and chanting in spanish it gets people a bit upset. most can't be bothered to do a counter rally though.

and yea the government policy of quiet neglect really doesn't help. people feel their country is being screwed to supply business with cheap exploitative labor with no consideration to backend costs borne by society. its the basic idea that a country is an extention of family. like a large house, you should have the choice to choose who comes in. the fact that people demand to come in because they are poor upsets quite a few people. esp considering we don't have universal health care for those already here, let alone a school system that isn't under tremendous strain. charity isn't going to be on many minds, esp when so many have already barged their way in.

theres a good book by shelby steele on "white guilt" that leads to politically correct nonsense. they are ILLEGAL, not "undocumented"..hate such euphemisms. its what gets people really annoyed, all the apologists. seriously if the apologists would have shutup long ago this would have been solved. we would have a sensible immigration and work program because when the borders are secure the real needs become clear and so can be solved. certain ethnic pressure groups actually like the status quo regardless what they scream, the more flood in the more their power. consequences be damned. it makes people angry when their country allows a whole group of people to casually break the law.

http://marketplace.publicradio...06/06/PM200706066.html
 
Mexican was trying to cause trouble. He knew what they were protesting. He knew that protesters are more passionate than the average non-protester. AND he dnew he would apparently be part of the very problem they were protesting. While the protesters' position was valid, they did get a bit ugly. Illegal immigration is a problem, and how you handle the problem on a personal level only reflects on YOU not your country. So any problems I have the the protesters' behavior IN NO WAY affect my opinion of Americans, white people, old people or any other classification you care to highlight. People are more hospitable if you are there to join them, not leech off them, BTW.
 
Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Mexican was trying to cause trouble. He knew what they were protesting. He knew that protesters are more passionate than the average non-protester. AND he dnew he would apparently be part of the very problem they were protesting. While the protesters' position was valid, they did get a bit ugly. Illegal immigration is a problem, and how you handle the problem on a personal level only reflects on YOU not your country. So any problems I have the the protesters' behavior IN NO WAY affect my opinion of Americans, white people, old people or any other classification you care to highlight. People are more hospitable if you are there to join them, not leech off them, BTW.
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That mexican guy did confront them but it remains a fact that those people were out there to protest and were clearly racist. It doesn't matter of what emotional state the protesters were in since that point is moot; Emotional or otherwise they would be held liable if they would have assaulted the guy.
Hopefully old people like this would die off quickly. The only sad thing is that they probably gave birth to more racists.
 
I don't have time to watch the video right now, so take this post FWIW.
I think a lot of people miss a very important word when this issue comes up. It is missing from the title of the video as well.
Mexican Attends Anti-Immigration Rally
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Should be:
Mexican Attends Anti-ILLEGAL-Immigration Rally
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I seriously doubt that many people care about people who legally come to this country.
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
What did the supposed immigrant say to them to get those responses? Not exactly getting both sides of the story there.

Regardless, people have the right of free speech, whether one agrees with them or not.

And I agree that the illegal immigration problem needs to be dealt with.
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People don't have a right to treat someone like that. Still, the guy with the camera had to expect some hostility from those idiots...and they are idiots.

I do think we have a right to enforce our immigration laws but what those people were saying to the guy with the camera is simply despicable. They should be ashamed of themselves. :thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Mexican was trying to cause trouble. He knew what they were protesting. He knew that protesters are more passionate than the average non-protester. AND he dnew he would apparently be part of the very problem they were protesting. While the protesters' position was valid, they did get a bit ugly. Illegal immigration is a problem, and how you handle the problem on a personal level only reflects on YOU not your country. So any problems I have the the protesters' behavior IN NO WAY affect my opinion of Americans, white people, old people or any other classification you care to highlight. People are more hospitable if you are there to join them, not leech off them, BTW.
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Well, I have a difficult time focusing anger on illegal immigrants. Most of them are hard working people who are just trying to make a better life for themselves. If you want to get angry, get angry with our federal government. They actively promote illegal immigration by not enforcing our borders and by not enforcing the laws regarding hiring illegal immigrants.
 
I have never been convinced illegal immigration in the US is a socio-economic issue, but rather a racist issue. If it were white, educated Canadians immigrating illiegally, the protest would likely be rather low-profile.
 
Things would be alot easier if we had just one country, called "Earth" and if we called each other "Earthlings". With mobility not being an issue as it was, say 200 years ago, many races are mixing together and eventually we will just be "Muts".
 
Originally posted by: brigden
I have never been convinced illegal immigration in the US is a socio-economic issue, but rather a racist issue. If it were white, educated Canadians immigrating illiegally, the protest would likely be rather low-profile.
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So, why did you bring up education in your latter example?

 
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Out of the 300,000,000 people living in United States, 8 or 9 US citizens do not speak for me.
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Exactly! Anyway there are dumba$$es spewing nonsense everywhere in the world.
 
He'd clearly been in that group for at least a short amount of time before the video started - there's no telling what happened when the camera was off. So I'm not going to say they were right or wrong - it's entirely possible that they were provoked into just the reaction he was looking for.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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Eh, the mexican/hispanic person with the camera went in there with the sole intent to cause a ruckus. That's why he had a freaking camera! If this same situation was occurring with illegal immigration in any other country, they would have part of their populace act the same way as these old folks did in the video.

Nothing to see in this video, just an idiot playing on people's emotions.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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Nothing to see in this video, just an idiot playing on OTHER idiot's emotions.
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Fixed.

He's seriously lucky he didn't get his ass beat in that video.

But seriously IMO those people don't speak for me, and neither does the guy behind the camera.

All involved need a large smack upside the head to knock some sense into them, camera guy included.

EDIT: The ironic part was this country was built largely on immigration, legal and illegal, so for what it's worth, those protesters are slightly hypocritical.
 
Originally posted by: brigden
I have never been convinced illegal immigration in the US is a socio-economic issue, but rather a racist issue. If it were white, educated Canadians immigrating illiegally, the protest would likely be rather low-profile.
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How many Canadians act like this:

http://dojak.net/blogpix/montebello4.jpg

Is it common for them to take down a public US flag and hang it upside-down underneath the Canadian flag? Maybe there's an issue with the attitude of the Mexicans coming here. They're the only nationality who immigrates here and is hostile about it.
 
"Go back to Europe." He has a point and, as a New Yorker, I like to believe that we're our own nation of f*g loving, immigrant embracing, liberal prisses. And I'm very, very proud of that. A black guy holding a white guy's hand while strolling the street doesn't get a 2nd look here while they could be lynched in other parts of the country. I remember going to Virginia with my white (Ex) girlfriend (I'm indian) and the horrible looks we received - that's not my country, NYC is my country.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when you have mexican rallys flying mexican flags and chanting in spanish it gets people a bit upset. most can't be bothered to do a counter rally though.

and yea the government policy of quiet neglect really doesn't help. people feel their country is being screwed to supply business with cheap exploitative labor with no consideration to backend costs borne by society. its the basic idea that a country is an extention of family. like a large house, you should have the choice to choose who comes in. the fact that people demand to come in because they are poor upsets quite a few people. esp considering we don't have universal health care for those already here, let alone a school system that isn't under tremendous strain. charity isn't going to be on many minds, esp when so many have already barged their way in.

theres a good book by shelby steele on "white guilt" that leads to politically correct nonsense. they are ILLEGAL, not "undocumented"..hate such euphemisms. its what gets people really annoyed, all the apologists. seriously if the apologists would have shutup long ago this would have been solved. we would have a sensible immigration and work program because when the borders are secure the real needs become clear and so can be solved. certain ethnic pressure groups actually like the status quo regardless what they scream, the more flood in the more their power. consequences be damned. it makes people angry when their country allows a whole group of people to casually break the law.

http://marketplace.publicradio...06/06/PM200706066.html
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Hahaha. Did you really just try to blame the "politically correct apologists" for the illegal immigration problem?

Holy crap that is some dumb sh!t. 😛
 
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