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Do Americans feel good about this kind of behaviour?

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That's embarrassing. The Mexican dude filming could have brought up some way more damning arguments than just telling them to go back to Europe, but I'm glad he stood up for himself.

Those middle age, white conservatives are an embarrassment to this country's culture. So close minded and prejudice, it's pathetic really. They couldn't even have a conversation with him w/o cussing and swearing at that kid :

 
i did. they stick their heads in the sand and become obstructionists to any real reform.

these are people that talk out of both sides of their mouths. they are against temporary worker programs because they think its "slavery" or exploitative, yet they think that simply giving amnesty is a good idea without any border reinforcement. as if making that group of workers suddenly protected under law and thus more expensive while not reducing supply of the cheaper illegal stuff really solves anything. they will say who will pick the crops etc as if theres no real choice but to depend on illegal immigration and that we have no right to keep people out. so basically they are for exploitation while pretending to be humanitarian😛 just think about these peoples position on walmart... these are the same people who wouldn't say the same on energy, that we have no choice but to depend on oil forever😛 no they would say, higher prices bring alternatives about, innovation they would say😛 that the backend costs of cheap oil are not worth it.... but when it comes to immigration they are so fearful of being called racist they basically sh*t all over themselves.
 
I love how their response to his argument is... "that doesn't even make any sense" and how confused they looked about the word indigenous.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
http://www.break.com/index/mex...immigration-rally.html

I'm not trying to patronize anyone here, I just stumbled onto this video and I'm curious what Americans think about it. I have never been to USA and I have always tried not to express my opinion about the illegal immigration issue on this forum because I'm not a taxpaying American and I'm not an immigrant to USA so I have little right to be telling Americans how to run things, but frankly I was astounded by this video. Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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There are more than 200 million people in the US. Why do you insist that the behavior of 10 or 20 individuals reflect anything more than those 10 or 20 individuals?
 
It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with illegal immigration, period. Please don't bring the word racism into this topic. I agree with stopping the flow of illegal immigrants.

I understand that Mexican, Asian, African, whatever are looking to come to the U.S. to find a better life, well do what my mother did when she immigrated from the Philippines thirty plus years ago, do it right.

I think the people in the crowd were justified to say what they did. The Hispanic guy obviously came into the picture to start trouble. What's with the coconut term he used? Is he referring to "Whitewashed"?
 
Originally posted by: DeathBUA

EDIT: The ironic part was this country was built largely on immigration, legal and illegal, so for what it's worth, those protesters are slightly hypocritical.
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Slightly! Its very hypocritical. They're probably so ignorant they didn't even know what he was talking about.

I don't see how people can still be so sheltered and closed minded even in this day and age.
 
I wonder what would have happened if it would have been a lone white protester in a crowd of mexicans...

"You're a racist..."

It seems like calling someone a racist makes you automatically correct. Saying go back to Mexico isn't racist. I don't want criminals in this country.
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
"Go back to Europe." He has a point and, as a New Yorker, I like to believe that we're our own nation of f*g loving, immigrant embracing, liberal prisses. And I'm very, very proud of that. A black guy holding a white guy's hand while strolling the street doesn't get a 2nd look here while they could be lynched in other parts of the country. I remember going to Virginia with my white (Ex) girlfriend (I'm indian) and the horrible looks we received - that's not my country, NYC is my country.
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Please don't use NYC as an example of what's right with the USA. That place is a cesspool. Absolutely disgusting.

It's all about vanity, conceit, debauchery, etc. Paris Hilton is a New Yorker.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
http://www.break.com/index/mex...immigration-rally.html

I'm not trying to patronize anyone here, I just stumbled onto this video and I'm curious what Americans think about it. I have never been to USA and I have always tried not to express my opinion about the illegal immigration issue on this forum because I'm not a taxpaying American and I'm not an immigrant to USA so I have little right to be telling Americans how to run things, but frankly I was astounded by this video. Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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I find them a bit embarrassing. They seem to think that everyone here from Mexico is a threat. Maybe they're just racist, or more likely, very very stupid, and thus unable to distinguish between the words "legal" and "illegal." Legal immigrants are welcome here as far as I'm concerned. Come on in, apply for citizenship, vote, and pay taxes. Enjoy your life in this country.
If you're here illegally, well hey, you've broken our immigration laws, and you're not paying taxes, so you have no business being here.


Originally posted by: jjones
The immigration process (legal) needs to be completely overhauled. The federal government needs to protect the borders, have a clear policy to work with, and quit tying the hands of their agents. State and local officials need to quit undermining the federal immigration policies. Businesses found to knowingly employ illegals should be hit very hard in the pocket book.
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Definitely. I find it sad that staffing agencies I've been to have signs declaring, "We only hire lawful immigrants." Wow, that's great to know! It's the next big advertising slogan: "We aren't criminals!"


Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
when you have mexican rallys flying mexican flags and chanting in spanish it gets people a bit upset. most can't be bothered to do a counter rally though.
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Back to something Jon Stewart said:
"The country is run by extremists, because moderates have sh-t to do! [They don't have time to stand in silent vigil for ten days.]"
(I couldn't remember, verbatim, that last part, but that was the gist of it.)
It's usually the extremists who are willing to go to the trouble of organizing things like a human chain in front of an abortion clinic, or taking it upon themselves to start to build a fence along a national border. Moderates are more likely to be concerned with other things, like holding jobs or spending time on hobbies or with family and friends.


Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Mexican was trying to cause trouble. He knew what they were protesting. He knew that protesters are more passionate than the average non-protester. AND he dnew he would apparently be part of the very problem they were protesting. While the protesters' position was valid, they did get a bit ugly. Illegal immigration is a problem, and how you handle the problem on a personal level only reflects on YOU not your country. So any problems I have the the protesters' behavior IN NO WAY affect my opinion of Americans, white people, old people or any other classification you care to highlight. People are more hospitable if you are there to join them, not leech off them, BTW.
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I didn't get through the whole video; I tire quickly of hearing idiots yelling nonsense. Did the guy specify if he was here legally? If so, did anyone care? They should have no problem with a Mexican person protesting illegal immigration with them. If I went to the trouble of investing time in immigrating legally, I wouldn't like seeing other people getting a free ride to do the same thing.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
http://www.break.com/index/mex...immigration-rally.html

I'm not trying to patronize anyone here, I just stumbled onto this video and I'm curious what Americans think about it. I have never been to USA and I have always tried not to express my opinion about the illegal immigration issue on this forum because I'm not a taxpaying American and I'm not an immigrant to USA so I have little right to be telling Americans how to run things, but frankly I was astounded by this video. Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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That guy is an idiot and brought the abuse on himself.

Sure, there were rednecks out there, that's a given. But when you already know that there's a crowd of rednecks there, why are you going to run into that crowd?

What if a white guy ran into the middle of a black power rally and got beat up? To me, it would be his damn fault since he knew that he was walking into a dangerous situation and he still proceeded. Why don't you play pinata with a bee's nest or play on a superhighway? Either way, you already know what's going to happen and you're just going to get what you asked for.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
That guy is an idiot and brought the abuse on himself.

Sure, there are rednecks out there. But when you already know that there's a crowd of rednecks there, why are you going to run into that crowd?

What if a white guy ran into the middle of a black power rally and got beat up? To me, it would be his damn fault since he knew that he was walking into a dangerous situation and he still proceeded.
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Well that too would be a sign that the crowd wasn't behaving rationally. A white person should be able to join a black power rally. Whites can be fully in favor of equal rights for all races, and thus should be welcomed.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
http://www.break.com/index/mex...immigration-rally.html

I'm not trying to patronize anyone here, I just stumbled onto this video and I'm curious what Americans think about it. I have never been to USA and I have always tried not to express my opinion about the illegal immigration issue on this forum because I'm not a taxpaying American and I'm not an immigrant to USA so I have little right to be telling Americans how to run things, but frankly I was astounded by this video. Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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That guy is an idiot and brought the abuse on himself.

Sure, there are rednecks out there. But when you already know that there's a crowd of rednecks there, why are you going to run into that crowd?

What if a white guy ran into the middle of a black power rally and got beat up? To me, it would be his damn fault since he knew that he was walking into a dangerous situation and he still proceeded.
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You should never have to fear physical violence simply because you want to present a counter-point to an organized demonstration such as the one in the video. While I'm not naive enough to say it wouldn't happen, that doesn't make it right.

That being said, I'm pretty sure the guy holding the camera knew he was going to be on the receiving end of some pretty hateful comments by showing up. However, that does not in ANY way make the things being said by those demonstrators at all acceptable.

Edit: And to address the OP's question, no, I am not proud of that type of behavior, nor would the majority of Americans approve of it, IMO.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
A white person should be able to join a black power rally. Whites can be fully in favor of equal rights for all races, and thus should be welcomed.
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???
Regardless of how it's marketed, a black power rally is not about equal rights- it's about black supremacy.

Just like a white power rally is not about equal rights- it's about white supremacy.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper

That being said, I'm pretty sure the guy holding the camera knew he was going to be on the receiving end of some pretty hateful comments by showing up. However, that does not in ANY way make the things being said by those demonstrators at all acceptable.
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Didn't he walk up to the group and call them racist? It sounds like he's the one that started the confrontation between himself and them.

I think that a lot of people have a warped perception of political correctness. They think that the white people are always wrong, and any minority that starts trouble and uses the race card is right. In fact, if you reversed the roles and had a white guy going up to a gang of Mexicans rallying against white people, people would change their view (even though the logic would stay the same) and side with the Mexicans.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Whisper

That being said, I'm pretty sure the guy holding the camera knew he was going to be on the receiving end of some pretty hateful comments by showing up. However, that does not in ANY way make the things being said by those demonstrators at all acceptable.
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Didn't he walk up to the group and call them racist? It sounds like he's the one that started the confrontation between himself and them.

I think that a lot of people have a warped perception of political correctness. They think that the white people are always wrong, and any minority that starts trouble and uses the race card is right.
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Without seeing the beginning of the situation, it's tough to say who's right or wrong. It's quite possible that the guy with the camera started the confrontation by calling names, which would also be unacceptable. However, as corny as the saying is, two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Does this make you feel proud or sickened to see Americans talking to immigrants like this?
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Eh, the mexican/hispanic person with the camera went in there with the sole intent to cause a ruckus. That's why he had a freaking camera! If this same situation was occurring with illegal immigration in any other country, they would have part of their populace act the same way as these old folks did in the video.

Nothing to see in this video, just an idiot playing on people's emotions.
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thats why its so funny.
 
Back to something Jon Stewart said:
"The country is run by extremists, because moderates have sh-t to do! [They don't have time to stand in silent vigil for ten days.]"
(I couldn't remember, verbatim, that last part, but that was the gist of it.)
It's usually the extremists who are willing to go to the trouble of organizing things like a human chain in front of an abortion clinic, or taking it upon themselves to start to build a fence along a national border. Moderates are more likely to be concerned with other things, like holding jobs or spending time on hobbies or with family and friends.
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yeap, with friends like that who needs enemies😛

atleast from video clips i've seen the arguements that tend to go on at such street meetings are pretty pathetic.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i did. they stick their heads in the sand and become obstructionists to any real reform.

these are people that talk out of both sides of their mouths. they are against temporary worker programs because they think its "slavery" or exploitative, yet they think that simply giving amnesty is a good idea without any border reinforcement. as if making that group of workers suddenly protected under law and thus more expensive while not reducing supply of the cheaper illegal stuff really solves anything. they will say who will pick the crops etc as if theres no real choice but to depend on illegal immigration and that we have no right to keep people out. so basically they are for exploitation while pretending to be humanitarian😛 just think about these peoples position on walmart... these are the same people who wouldn't say the same on energy, that we have no choice but to depend on oil forever😛 no they would say, higher prices bring alternatives about, innovation they would say😛 that the backend costs of cheap oil are not worth it.... but when it comes to immigration they are so fearful of being called racist they basically sh*t all over themselves.
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You're just confused, that is all.

The people you're talking about don't have their heads stuck in the sand. And even if they did, they're not the ones holding your precious reform up. It is the people who benefit most from these illegal immigrants that are "obstructing" reform.

Like I posted in the France/P&N thread:

http://www.zmag.org/content/sh...ticle.cfm?ItemID=10144

Employers do not want to do away with Latino immigration. To the contrary, they want to sustain a vast exploitable labor pool that exists under precarious conditions, that does not enjoy the civil, political, and labor rights of citizens and that is disposable through deportation. It is the condition of deportable they wish to preserve since that condition assures the ability to super-exploit with impunity and to dispose of without consequences should this labor become unruly or unnecessary.

The Bush administration is opposed to HR4437, not because it is in favor of immigrant rights but because it must play a balancing act by finding a formula for a stable supply of cheap labor to employers and at the same time for greater state control over immigrants. The Bush proposal is for a ?guest worker? program that would rule out legalization for undocumented immigrants, force them to return to their home countries and apply for temporary work visas, and implement tough new border security measures. There is a long history of such ?guest worker? schemes going back to the bracero program, which brought to the U.S. millions of Mexican workers during the labor shortages of World War II only to deport them once native workers had become available again.
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I hate getting into a thread so late. No one is reading posts by this point... just skimming along...

<Edit> Ok, maybe that's me... im the one skimming along...
 
I guess nobody outside of America is violent or prejudice. Is that the point you're trying to make, OP?

I am damn proud to be an American for many reasons. I guess I should throw all of them out of the windows because some of us have done some bad things at some time.

On second thought, OP is trolling or taking a cheap pot shot at America. Jealousy and insecurity at its finest. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: weadjust
Ask the American Indians how uncontrolled immigration turned out.
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Yeah, my Guatemalan in-laws are pro-illegal immigration (giving them citizenship and more rights, etc) even though they immigrated legally themselves. But only for America. They hate illegal immigration into Guatemala and blame most of their country's problems on it. Pointing out the hypocrisy was like showing a blind man the Mona Lisa.
 
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