Do AMD cpus at least give a smoother desktop experience w/more cores?

[Yuriman]

Correct my bad, i fixed that.




Being faster means Higher Compute = more calculations per unit of time

Example, IPC (Instructions Per Cycle). For every cycle more instructions = higher compute = more calculations per cycle = faster.

If you finish the same work (benchmark) faster (higher IPC = Higher Compute = less time) and you consume the same energy (Wh) you are more efficient.

Matter of semantics at this point. I'd personally call "faster", "faster", rather than muddying the water by using the word "efficient" to mean either "faster" or "using less energy to get the same work done". I think a lot of people have been confused by what you meant.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Basic usage with a Q6600,G1820,i3 3225 and a i5 2500 felt pretty much about the same.This is of course with a ssd in each one of those configurations.Recent games of course showed quickly how bad off some of the chips were.

Mechanical drive with my i5 2500 does feel slower then the G1820+ssd my wife uses.Virus scans and game loading is dramatically quicker on the ssd which in turn gives my i5 rig a much slower feeling.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Matter of semantics at this point. I'd personally call "faster", "faster", rather than muddying the water by using the word "efficient" to mean either "faster" or "using less energy to get the same work done". I think a lot of people have been confused by what you meant.

Yea, I agree. I now understand what he was saying, but it still seems to me to be conflating two separate things. The comparison becomes very muddied if one cpu completes a task using less total energy but takes longer to do it, while the other finishes quicker but uses more total energy. Which one is then more "efficient"?

 

[Timur Born]

Maybe someone can put up a list of desktop programs that benefit from the higher core count of the FX?

 

[TheELF]

Maybe someone can put up a list of desktop programs that benefit from the higher core count of the FX?

Anything graphics rendering* ,video converting* and some database operations,that's about it if you go for at least semi-useful stuff.

Other than that more cores will grant you "empty" cores (low or no workload** ) while working with your PC which is the same as just adjusting priorities for the software you are running but for someone who has no idea about computers I guess it's easier if your cores limit your workloads for you, even if stuff get's done slower automatically, you will get less "hick ups" automatically.

*could use moar coarz but not guaranteed
**wasted CPU power that could go towards finishing your tasks

 

[Abwx]

Comparing AMD's current APUs to 2012-era Ivy Bridge in a specific benchmark is nonsense/irrelevant. Core i3-6100 is considerably faster and more efficient than Kaveri/Godavari.

And 22nm FinFET vs 28nm planar product comparisons should include Haswell instead.

I m still waiting for your explanation about the i3 6100 being faster in this graph, and if possible tell us by how much...

 

[Yuriman]

I m still waiting for your explanation about the i3 6100 being faster in this graph, and if possible tell us by how much...

What is it a graph of? My assumption was that it's a performance per watt (efficiency) graph, because lower clocked Skylake chips are "better" than higher clocked ones here. Note that the G4500 is even lower (better) than the i3.

 

[Sweepr]

I m still waiting for your explanation about the i3 6100 being faster in this graph, and if possible tell us by how much...

Sure, let me help you with this:

The following chart provides the maximum power consumption under load created by the 64-bit LinX 0.6.5 utility version with support for AVX2 instruction set, which is based on the Linpack package other than exorbitant energy appetites.

Which means lower is better. And here's idle and x265 results:

Vishera is a power hog compared to state of the art Skylake, but that's not surprising is it (years apart, node gap, etc.)? I guess it is if you actually believe in your made up numbers.

 

[Abwx]

Sure, let me help you with this:

Which means lower is better. And here's idle and x265 results:


Vishera is a power hog compared to state of the art Skylake, but that's not surprising is it (years apart, node gap, etc.)? I guess it is if you actually believe in your made up numbers.

Vishera is not the direct competitor, Kaveri is and te review, wich you didnt link, show that SKL is useless for home usage set apart for office tasks..

https://translate.googleusercontent...3CYnQ#Производительность в комплексных тестах

 

[Sweepr]

Vishera is not the direct competitor, Kaveri is and te review, wich you didnt link, show that SKL is useless for home usage set apart for office tasks..

https://translate.googleusercontent...3CYnQ#Производительность в комплексных тестах

If you actually read 3DNews review you would notice Core i3-6100 is often faster than FX-6350 while drawing less power than Kaveri/Godavari. Yes, that Vishera power hog and its ancient platform is mostly useless unless you're upgrading from an old AMD rig and FM2+ is basically dead. Awful time to choose AMD, and their market share reflects this, despite your fallacy.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

If you actually read 3DNews review you would notice Core i3-6100 is often faster than FX-6350 while drawing less power than Kaveri/Godavari. Yes, that Vishera power hog and its ancient platform is mostly useless unless you're upgrading from an old AMD rig and FM2+ is basically dead. Awful time to choose AMD, and their market share reflects this, despite your fallacy.

Yeah.... but at least that power hog can run Prime95 without crashing.

I just dropped the mic.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ke-bug-that-freezes-windows-and-linux-systems

 

[Sweepr]

Yeah.... but at least that power hog can run Prime95 without crashing.

Or pretty much anything that pushes CPU usages to 100%......

I just dropped the mic.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ke-bug-that-freezes-windows-and-linux-systems

Intel already fixed this bug and many MB vendors already included the fix in their BIOSes. You can stop trolling with this news now.

 

[Abwx]

If you actually read 3DNews review you would notice Core i3-6100 is often faster than FX-6350 while drawing less power than Kaveri/Godavari. Yes, that Vishera power hog and its ancient platform is mostly useless unless you're upgrading from an old AMD rig and FM2+ is basically dead. Awful time to choose AMD, and their market share reflects this, despite your fallacy.

What is a home PC used for that Kaveri couldnt do adequatly..?.

On the other hand SKL is adequate only for office tasks, it s mediocre at gaming, so what is the use of this CPU for a basic consumer..?.

And dont come with H265 since Kaveri can software decode it even with the older pre Crimson drivers.

Intel already fixed this bug and many MB vendors already included the fix in their BIOSes. You can stop trolling with this news now.

Yes, provide a link...

At best it can eventualy be fixed by increasing the voltage if this is voltage margin related but this would reduce the perf/watt below the one of Haswell, at worst it is a bug that cant be fixed otherwise than with perfs reduction, in the waiting the chip is not adequate for certified FP computing when using given instructions...

 

[Sweepr]

What is a home PC used for that Kaveri couldnt do adequatly..?.

On the on the other hand SKL is adequate only for office tasks, it s mediocre at gaming, so what is the use of this CPU for a basic consumer..?.

And dont come with H265 since Kaveri can software decode it even with the older pre Crimson drivers.

The only niche AMD still has an advantage is iGPUs, and even there Intel is closer than it has ever been, A8-7600 is only 25-40% faster than Pentium G4500, a far cry from the old days. And let's not forget low-end dGPUs are still considerably faster than both for not much more money. Superior platform, lower power consumption, better CPU performance for daily tasks and dGPU gaming count as a win in my book.

Yes, provide a link...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads

You can search for each manufacturer BIOS on your own, there's some links (ex: MSI) at the Skylake thread.

 

[dark zero]

Intel already fixed this bug and many MB vendors already included the fix in their BIOSes. You can stop trolling with this news now.

Fixed it and included the locking the overclocking capacity of the processor. Is a shame that Intel cancels hard a buff on their processors.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The bug is fixed, any Skylake user testing with Prime95 and other similar loads knows.

And no performance penalty either. Thought luck the ADF cant use it anymore. It was fixed very fast, perhaps that why some people are so behind the curve

 

[ShintaiDK]

Fixed it and included the locking the overclocking capacity of the processor. Is a shame that Intel cancels hard a buff on their processors.

No, the locking is 2 steps above, 0x76 is got the lock, 0x74 fixes the bug.

 

[Abwx]

The only niche AMD still has an advantage is iGPUs, and even there Intel is closer than it has ever been, A8-7600 is only 25-40% faster than Pentium G4500, a far cry from the old days. And let's not forget low-end dGPUs are still considerably faster than both for not much more money. Superior platform, lower power consumption, better CPU performance for daily tasks and dGPU gaming count as a win in my book.

Gaming s one of the main usage of an home PC but since Intel is mediocre at it you brand it as being a niche, actualy it s Intel CPUs that are niche dedicated on the consumer market since their usage range is narrower..

As for being close that s only an illusion due to their process, Carrizo has better GPU perf/watt than Intel s HDs and they will double their perf/watt with the next gen APUs...

The bug is fixed, any Skylake user testing with Prime95 and other similar loads knows.

And no performance penalty either. Thought luck the ADF cant use it anymore. It was fixed very fast, perhaps that why some people are so behind the curve

https://translate.google.fr/transla...itaetsproblem-bei-skylake-cpus-an/&edit-text=


Nothing is solved, at the date of 13 january there was a further update announced fo later by Intel, i guess that the update will be to buy a new CPU but anyway nice try to sweep the issue under the carpets, and of course to do an attack as "argument"...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Carrizo/Bristol Ridge is such a super product for that reason, right? Or isn't it rather the biggest APU flop yet. A new record for being a throttlemonster.

 

[Yuriman]

^ Desktop Skylake i3's and above are fairly close to AMD's iGPUs, on average, from what I've seen. There are still cases where AMD pulls ahead significantly, most likely because Intel doesn't spend nearly as much time optimizing for specific games. If Skylake's iGPU is "mediocre", then so is AMD's... and I'd probably argue that, yes, they're both mediocre.
If comparing a Celeron/Pentium without a discrete GPU vs an A6 or A8, then yes, I'd say the AMD CPUs will have a broader range of usefulness. There are plenty of games where AMD APUs simply cannot provide a playable framerate at all, regardless of settings, but the number of games will be smaller than those chips equipped with, say, Intel's 510 iGPU.

In laptops, Intel's iGPUs are actually in a better position overall than AMD's, in part due to platform, and in part due to process advantage. And, this is important, because practically nobody buys a desktop anymore.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If you actually read 3DNews review you would notice Core i3-6100 is often faster than FX-6350 while drawing less power than Kaveri/Godavari. Yes, that Vishera power hog and its ancient platform is mostly useless unless you're upgrading from an old AMD rig and FM2+ is basically dead. Awful time to choose AMD, and their market share reflects this, despite your fallacy.

The AM3+ chipsets are old, but I really don't feel you have to give up anything in any real practical way. PCIE 2.0 just isn't a real limiter, yet (we'll see if high end 14/16nm GPU's can use more bandwidth than PCIE2.0 can provide in time). And plenty of motherboards are out there with modern features, USB3, SATA6... some even have USB3.1 and M.2 (if you really need that for some reason).

 

[ShintaiDK]

https://translate.google.fr/transla...itaetsproblem-bei-skylake-cpus-an/&edit-text=


Nothing is solved, at the date of 13 january there was a further update announced fo later by Intel, i guess that the update will be to buy a new CPU but anyway nice try to sweep the issue under the carpets, and of course to do an attack as "argument"...

If you read the article they used 0x6A microcode via Asrock. The one with the fixed code is 0x74. The MSI board I use is a bit lower in priority from MSI. And it got the BIOS update with 0x74 on January 26th. But the microcode was available much sooner.

But as expected it depends on the speed of your mobo maker in terms of BIOS release. And they tend to simply add it to the next BIOS release rather than an "emergency fix".

- Updated VBIOS and GOP Driver.
- Updated CPU Microcode.
- When USB and Audio controller are disabled and then system would not able to work properly .
- Improved memory compatibility.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm still waiting for the "Skylake fix" microcode update from Asus for my H110M-A board. No updates since Nov. 2015.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You are also waiting for SST BIOS support I assume. Asus have become a bottom barrel company.

 

[CHADBOGA]

And, this is important, because practically nobody buys a desktop anymore.

The replacement cycle being lengthened for desktops is not the same as "practically nobody buys a desktop anymore".

I know I'll eventually replace/update my desktop, won't you do the same?