DNC files lawsuit against Russia, Wiki Leaks and Trump Campaign

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Well this could turn out to be pretty interesting. I guess this is the civil equivalent to Mueller's criminal one. Either way...I don't know if it's as much about the "winning" as it is in the discovery process that's part of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.2752b908640b

The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Friday against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging a far-reaching conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and tilt the election to Donald Trump.

The complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hurt Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and help Trump by hacking the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there.

“During the 2016 presidential campaign, Russia launched an all-out assault on our democracy, and it found a willing and active partner in Donald Trump’s campaign,” DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement.

“This constituted an act of unprecedented treachery: the campaign of a nominee for President of the United States in league with a hostile foreign power to bolster its own chance to win the presidency,” he said.

The case asserts that the Russian hacking campaign — combined with Trump associates’ contacts with Russia and the campaign’s public cheerleading of the hacks — amounted to an illegal conspiracy to interfere in the election that caused serious damage to the Democratic Party.

Senate investigators and prosecutors for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III are still investigating whether Trump associates coordinated with the Russian efforts. Last month, House Intelligence Committee Republicans said they found no evidence that President Trump and his affiliates colluded with Russian officials to sway the election or that the Kremlin sought to help him — a conclusion rejected by the panel’s Democrats.

The president has repeatedly rejected any collusion or improper activity by his campaign. This week, he referred again in a tweet to the “phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems).”

Suing a foreign country may present legal challenges for the Democrats, in part because other nations have immunity from most U.S. lawsuits. The DNC’s complaint argues Russia is not entitled to the protection because the hack constituted a trespass on the party’s private property.

The lawsuit echoes a similar legal tactic that the Democratic Party used during the Watergate scandal. In 1972, the DNC filed suit against former president Richard Nixon’s reelection committee seeking $1 million in damages for the break-in at Democratic headquarters in the Watergate building.

The suit was denounced at the time by Nixon’s Attorney General, John Mitchell, who called it a case of “sheer demagoguery” by the DNC. But the civil action brought by former DNC chair Lawrence F. O’Brien was ultimately successful, yielding a $750,000 settlement from the Nixon campaign that was reached on the day in 1974 that Nixon left office.

The suit filed Friday seeks millions of dollars in compensation to offset damage it claims the party suffered from the hacks. The DNC argues that the cyberattack undermined its ability to communicate with voters, collect donations and operate effectively as its employees faced personal harassment and, in some cases, death threats.

The suit also seeks an acknowledgment from the defendants that they conspired to infiltrate the Democrats’ computers, steal information and disseminate it to influence the election.

To support its case, the lawsuit offers a detailed narrative of the DNC hacks, as well as episodes in which key Trump aides are alleged to have been told Russia held damaging information about Clinton.

The suit does not name Trump as a defendant. Instead, it targets various Trump aides who met with people believed to be affiliated with Russia during the campaign, including the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law Jared Kushner, his campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates.

Manafort and Gates were charged with money-laundering, fraud and tax evasion in a case brought by special prosecutors last year. In February, Gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy and lying to the FBI and is cooperating with investigators. Manafort has pleaded not guilty.

The DNC lawsuit also names as a defendant the Russian military intelligence service, the GRU, which has been accused by the U.S. government of orchestrating the hacks, as well as WikiLeaks, which published the DNC’s stolen emails, and the group’s founder Julian Assange.

The lawsuit was also filed against Roger Stone, the longtime Trump confidante who claimed during the campaign that he was in contact with Assange.

The Trump advisers and associates have denied assisting Russia in its hacking campaign. Stone has denied any communication with Assange or advance knowledge of the document dumps by WikiLeaks, saying his comments about Assange were jokes or exaggerations.

The DNC lawsuit argues that the Russian government and the GRU violated a series of laws by orchestrating the secret intrusion into the Democrats’ computer systems, including statutes to protect trade secrets, prohibit wire tapping and prevent trespassing.

The party said the Trump defendants committed conspiracy through their interaction with Russian agents and their public encouragement of the hacking, with the campaign itself acting as a racketeering enterprise promoting illegal activity.

The complaint was filed on behalf of the party by the law firm of Cohen Milstein.

The suit contains previously undisclosed details, including that the specific date when the Russians breached the DNC computer system: July 27, 2015, according to forensic evidence cited in the filing.

The analysis shows the system was breached again on April 18, 2016. The hackers began siphoning documents and information from DNC systems on April 22. The suit notes that four days later, Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos was informed by Josef Mifsud, a London-based professor, that the Russians were in possession of thousands of emails that could be damaging to Clinton.

The list of defendants in the suit includes Papadopoulos and Mifsud, as well as Aras and Emin Agalorov, the wealthy Russian father and son who hosted the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow in 2013. Trump, who owned the pageant, attended the event.

The Agalarovs also played a role in arranging a meeting for a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in New York in 2016, at which Donald Trump Jr. had expected to be given damaging information about Clinton.

The suit alleges that Trump’s personal and professional ties to Russia helped foster the conspiracy.

The lawsuit describes how the then-Soviet Union paid for Trump to travel Moscow in the 1980s.

It also details the history of Manafort and Gates, who worked for Russian-friendly factions in the Ukraine before joining the Trump campaign. Prosecutors have said they were in contact in 2016 with Konstantin Kilimnik, a former linguist in the Russian army who the FBI has alleged had ties to Russian intelligence.
 

glenn1

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I fully support this and also fully support the hundreds of different nations whose elections and governments we've fucked with over the years (if not had the CIA overthrow directly via coup) suing the shit out of both Democratic and Republican parties.
 
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IronWing

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"The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Friday against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging a far-reaching conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and tilt the election to Donald Trump."

I think the Trump campaign is allowed to do that. :D
 
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Well this could turn out to be pretty interesting. I guess this is the civil equivalent to Mueller's criminal one. Either way...I don't know if it's as much about the "winning" as it is in the discovery process that's part of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.2752b908640b

The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Friday against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging a far-reaching conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and tilt the election to Donald Trump.

The complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hurt Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and help Trump by hacking the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there.

“During the 2016 presidential campaign, Russia launched an all-out assault on our democracy, and it found a willing and active partner in Donald Trump’s campaign,” DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement.

“This constituted an act of unprecedented treachery: the campaign of a nominee for President of the United States in league with a hostile foreign power to bolster its own chance to win the presidency,” he said.

The case asserts that the Russian hacking campaign — combined with Trump associates’ contacts with Russia and the campaign’s public cheerleading of the hacks — amounted to an illegal conspiracy to interfere in the election that caused serious damage to the Democratic Party.

Senate investigators and prosecutors for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III are still investigating whether Trump associates coordinated with the Russian efforts. Last month, House Intelligence Committee Republicans said they found no evidence that President Trump and his affiliates colluded with Russian officials to sway the election or that the Kremlin sought to help him — a conclusion rejected by the panel’s Democrats.

The president has repeatedly rejected any collusion or improper activity by his campaign. This week, he referred again in a tweet to the “phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems).”

Suing a foreign country may present legal challenges for the Democrats, in part because other nations have immunity from most U.S. lawsuits. The DNC’s complaint argues Russia is not entitled to the protection because the hack constituted a trespass on the party’s private property.

The lawsuit echoes a similar legal tactic that the Democratic Party used during the Watergate scandal. In 1972, the DNC filed suit against former president Richard Nixon’s reelection committee seeking $1 million in damages for the break-in at Democratic headquarters in the Watergate building.

The suit was denounced at the time by Nixon’s Attorney General, John Mitchell, who called it a case of “sheer demagoguery” by the DNC. But the civil action brought by former DNC chair Lawrence F. O’Brien was ultimately successful, yielding a $750,000 settlement from the Nixon campaign that was reached on the day in 1974 that Nixon left office.

The suit filed Friday seeks millions of dollars in compensation to offset damage it claims the party suffered from the hacks. The DNC argues that the cyberattack undermined its ability to communicate with voters, collect donations and operate effectively as its employees faced personal harassment and, in some cases, death threats.

The suit also seeks an acknowledgment from the defendants that they conspired to infiltrate the Democrats’ computers, steal information and disseminate it to influence the election.

To support its case, the lawsuit offers a detailed narrative of the DNC hacks, as well as episodes in which key Trump aides are alleged to have been told Russia held damaging information about Clinton.

The suit does not name Trump as a defendant. Instead, it targets various Trump aides who met with people believed to be affiliated with Russia during the campaign, including the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law Jared Kushner, his campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates.

Manafort and Gates were charged with money-laundering, fraud and tax evasion in a case brought by special prosecutors last year. In February, Gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy and lying to the FBI and is cooperating with investigators. Manafort has pleaded not guilty.

The DNC lawsuit also names as a defendant the Russian military intelligence service, the GRU, which has been accused by the U.S. government of orchestrating the hacks, as well as WikiLeaks, which published the DNC’s stolen emails, and the group’s founder Julian Assange.

The lawsuit was also filed against Roger Stone, the longtime Trump confidante who claimed during the campaign that he was in contact with Assange.

The Trump advisers and associates have denied assisting Russia in its hacking campaign. Stone has denied any communication with Assange or advance knowledge of the document dumps by WikiLeaks, saying his comments about Assange were jokes or exaggerations.

The DNC lawsuit argues that the Russian government and the GRU violated a series of laws by orchestrating the secret intrusion into the Democrats’ computer systems, including statutes to protect trade secrets, prohibit wire tapping and prevent trespassing.

The party said the Trump defendants committed conspiracy through their interaction with Russian agents and their public encouragement of the hacking, with the campaign itself acting as a racketeering enterprise promoting illegal activity.

The complaint was filed on behalf of the party by the law firm of Cohen Milstein.

The suit contains previously undisclosed details, including that the specific date when the Russians breached the DNC computer system: July 27, 2015, according to forensic evidence cited in the filing.

The analysis shows the system was breached again on April 18, 2016. The hackers began siphoning documents and information from DNC systems on April 22. The suit notes that four days later, Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos was informed by Josef Mifsud, a London-based professor, that the Russians were in possession of thousands of emails that could be damaging to Clinton.

The list of defendants in the suit includes Papadopoulos and Mifsud, as well as Aras and Emin Agalorov, the wealthy Russian father and son who hosted the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow in 2013. Trump, who owned the pageant, attended the event.

The Agalarovs also played a role in arranging a meeting for a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in New York in 2016, at which Donald Trump Jr. had expected to be given damaging information about Clinton.

The suit alleges that Trump’s personal and professional ties to Russia helped foster the conspiracy.

The lawsuit describes how the then-Soviet Union paid for Trump to travel Moscow in the 1980s.

It also details the history of Manafort and Gates, who worked for Russian-friendly factions in the Ukraine before joining the Trump campaign. Prosecutors have said they were in contact in 2016 with Konstantin Kilimnik, a former linguist in the Russian army who the FBI has alleged had ties to Russian intelligence.

Good for them and sorry vi I was right behind your post.
 

BonzaiDuck

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The "Regime" will continue trying to tilt the courts in the direction they prefer.

But this lawsuit can have a beneficial effect. People and news-skeptics like the Trumpies are always looking for judicial answers providing an easy explanation of the Truth. Consider the Warren Commission and the JFK murder, or why there are 360 degrees of the compass in explanations and arguments. Unfortunately, the Warren findings did not give us the truth, and provide solace to those who want the government to pronounce the Truth, when there are reasons that the government cannot do so.

So we are talking about "Judicial Notice." A civil suit such as the topic here can do that. Then, the simpletons and Trumpie True Believers may be more inclined to embrace Reality.

We hope . . .
 

emperus

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I think this suit is more about flinging poo in the lead up to the 2018 election than any hope of finding truth or justice. I think it will work rather well for the Dems.

I think it's about discovery. Should be interesting.
 

UNCjigga

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I dunno about this...I get the strategy here is for discovery and finding any additional poo to fling before midterms... But what is the actual crime? Very difficult to distinguish actual criminal actions (which Mueller already investigating) vs. civil actions that amount to more than just dirty politics. Worst case, the suit is dismissed and if that happens it could damage the whole Russia narrative. I really don't know what the DNC can actually gain from this if it isn't about the money.

Note that the RNC is not named as a co-defendent... probably to stem accusations that this is another witch hunt.

Edit: I get that the DNC hack is a very real crime, but not sure how they can prove the Trump campaign solicited the commission of said crime, rather than benefited from the emails after the fact. Not sure what the threshold of guilt vs innocence is needed in a civil lawsuit?
 
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The "crime" is the hacking and costs it took to repair/replace/harden their systems as well as monetary loss from donations. They say that donations dropped due to security concerns once it was known they were hacked and it caused financial losses.
 
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What is "Wiki Links," OP?

It's what you get when you think of ties between wiki leaks, remembering to copy the right URL's, and collusion. Oh and posting on your lunch break as your phone starts ringing.
 

Blackjack200

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Good. I hope that the judge sees that there is a great public interest in people being able to see everything that comes out in discovery.
 
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In before one of our conservative cheerleaders comes in talking about how the lawsuit will fail... without, of course, realizing that a court victory would merely be icing on the cake. The real wins are the discovery process and the attention this will draw to the Trump campaign's actions, and there's little Trump or the Republicans can do to prevent those from working in the Democrats' favor.
 

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I fully support this and also fully support the hundreds of different nations whose elections and governments we've fucked with over the years (if not had the CIA overthrow directly via coup) suing the shit out of both Democratic and Republican parties.

Doesn’t work that way unless you’re alleging the DNC or the RNC interfered with another country’s election. If you’re talking about various presidents doing that then they enjoy absolute immunity on official actions.
 

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In before one of our conservative cheerleaders comes in talking about how the lawsuit will fail... without, of course, realizing that a court victory would merely be icing on the cake. The real wins are the discovery process and the attention this will draw to the Trump campaign's actions, and there's little Trump or the Republicans can do to prevent those from working in the Democrats' favor.

Stacking federal courts with appointees that may toss the case?
 

BonzaiDuck

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I think this suit is more about flinging poo in the lead up to the 2018 election than any hope of finding truth or justice. I think it will work rather well for the Dems.

From Playboy's Shel Silverstein 50 years ago:

There once was a queer from Khartoum
Who took a lesbian up to his room.
They argued all night
About who had the right
to do what, and with which, and to whom.

You can argue "politics and deceit" all you want. Most of us accept that this is about facts and objective inference from the facts, and the more facts you have to support the same set of inferences, then the more reliable that conclusions will approximate the Truth. If you think that the Truth is whatever you wish it to be, then you are a boat without sails. Goin -- nowhere.

Comey, for instance, in his recent televised interviews -- has it right. "It is possible" with some degree of likelihood, that Trump sold America down the river before he was even nominated, but in anticipation of that nomination. The facts make it certain that the Russians engaged in a psy-war campaign of several projects. Some say there is sufficient evidence of collusion -- read "collaboration" with an ongoing geopolitical adversary.

There is a name for that.

The Trumpies, on the other hand, want us to think -- as they wish to think themselves -- that this is all some vicious frenzied campaign to discredit Trump -- who can do no wrong. Because . . . . "it's politics."

That some of us -- MBAs and other professionals -- saw that Trump was a charlatan and a fraud with the "Apprentice" -- was not "politics." That we saw the Birther Frenzy for what it was -- the racist lower-underbelly of the American character, and a despicable millstone around the neck of progress -- isn't just "politics?" Or is it the simple Truth?

Is Trump "morally unfit?" Comey doesn't think he's "physically or medically" unfit, but rather "morally unfit." Better insight about this can be had from Alston Chase, a fellow Harvard classmate of Ted Kazynski, the Unabomber. The psychological disorder(s) may provide a basis for moral decisions and moral depravity. But, in all cases, it is a matter of free will.

Is that "politics?" Or is it something else -- like a bunch of people who just want things their own exclusive way out of fear of the future, a misapplication of the "Great Roman Empire" paradigm, and a blindness to simple fact -- arguing that "we're all just out to get their Gurreat Leader?" They're so persecuted! The Democrats were sore losers! They just can't accept that
"we won!"

We're all losers here. Some people just can't see that they are also up to it above the neck.
 

IronWing

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In before one of our conservative cheerleaders comes in talking about how the lawsuit will fail... without, of course, realizing that a court victory would merely be icing on the cake. The real wins are the discovery process and the attention this will draw to the Trump campaign's actions, and there's little Trump or the Republicans can do to prevent those from working in the Democrats' favor.
The best timeline for the Dems is to make sure no rulings are made in this suit prior to the election.
 

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I think it's about discovery. Should be interesting.

Yeah. Would be interesting if Russia and Wikileaks (can they be coerced into releasing documents?) provide documents that they obtained from hacking the RNC, trying to argue: "See, no bias!"
 

trenchfoot

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What is "Wiki Links," OP?

It's sausage links filled with Russian hackers, convicted Trump/Russian associated sycophants and a Repub controlled legislature that don't want to do a damn thing about it except make it all go away before the mid-terms. ;)
 

thilanliyan

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I don't really see how this will aid in midterm elections. People could just be annoyed by more lawsuits. I think the best hope lies with any criminal investigation of Cohen/Trump.
 

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It's nothing more than losers doing what losers do: whine, make excuses and blame others for their failing. The demotardic party ran probably the one candidate who had a shot at losing to Trump and she took full advantage of the opportunity.