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Divided court rejects school diversity plans
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JD50
Lifer
Hmmm...what is it that you guys are so fond of saying now that you controll congress? Oh yea, the American people voted them in, so let them do the work that the American people want done and stop whinning. Well, the American people voted a Republican president into office when they knew that he would get some Supreme court appointments, so this is what the American people want, so stop whinning about it. :laugh:
BTW, I'd be pretty pissed off too if my kid got bussed around the county just to "diversify" some other school. You do realize that its possible to take forced de-segregation too far right?
BTW, I'd be pretty pissed off too if my kid got bussed around the county just to "diversify" some other school. You do realize that its possible to take forced de-segregation too far right?
Fern
Elite Member
Have you read Robert's remarks?
You wish to revert to "pre-Brown" days?
Making decisions based on the color of peoples' skin is OK if your "heart" is in the right place?
Who decides if your motives are pure? Scary thought.
If kids must be bused three hours away to balance the racial makeup of schools, clearly the community itself is heavily segregated.
I would think the school board itself could help with what it sees as a problem by intellegent placement of the schools themselves. Locate them at the "borders" of these segregated communities so that children need not excessively burdened with extensive travel.
I think were the school board's efforts better refined this could be OK. I imagine quite a hardship at the individual level of such excessive bus rides. Where is the time for homework, extra-curricular activities, part-time jobs, quality family time etc? What about the safety of the being on the road for that long?
Do we deprive these bused children of their basics rights to achieve some "community goals"? Is that what the Constitution is about?
I think the SCOTUS made the right decision and the school board's plan lacks any common sense, no matter how well intended.
Many of you act as though Black kids can't learn unless they sit next to White kids. What is the basis to this apparent theory?
Something possibly important, but not addressed in the article - are school resourses ($'s) being fairly distributed? I must assume so as it is not mentioned.
Fern
That quote by Roberts is total crap. Considering the effect of the court's decision in Brown v. Board was to do exactly that, tell kids where they could or could not go to school and enforced it by bussing, for him to invoke that very ruling to support its effective repeal is pretty scummy.
I read some more about this, and this decision (especially Stevens' dissent) this is nothing short of an evisceration of Brown v. Board, and a SCOTUS endorsement of de facto segregation. I guess suddenly it's okay to segregate implicitly, but not explicitly. Total bull$hit.
The basis for the theory that black kids can't learn unless they sit next to white kids is approximately five decades of sociological and educational research showing that not only are majority-minority schools areas in which students vastly underperform compared to majority white schools, but those same students when removed from those bad schools and placed in integrated environments show huge improvement.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> How do you address racial diversity without using race? This is typical conservative thinking, keep black people in the ghetto. No bussing means de-facto segregation. Then you can cut funding to minority inner city schools without worrying that it will impact your family. </end quote></div>
I think the more appropriate solution is to ensure equal distribution of resources across school districts, regardless of racial demographics.
Some community's are segregated simply by the nature of their social dynamics...kids should not have to travel hours on a bus to correct what is a societal problem.
In purchasing a house, one of the factors that play into that decision for many buyers is the quality of the school system...the government stepping in to create "equity" by removing students from the school systems in which they reside is ludicrous.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> The basis for the theory that black kids can't learn unless they sit next to white kids is approximately five decades of sociological and educational research showing that not only are majority-minority schools areas in which students vastly underperform compared to majority white schools, but those same students when removed from those bad schools and placed in integrated environments show huge improvement. </end quote></div>
This is an indicator of many social dynamics, one of which is the role models and encouragement that students receive in majority-minority communities...but if anyone targets the social dynamics of those communities as part of the problem, they are racists for doing so.
I think the more appropriate solution is to ensure equal distribution of resources across school districts, regardless of racial demographics.
Some community's are segregated simply by the nature of their social dynamics...kids should not have to travel hours on a bus to correct what is a societal problem.
In purchasing a house, one of the factors that play into that decision for many buyers is the quality of the school system...the government stepping in to create "equity" by removing students from the school systems in which they reside is ludicrous.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> The basis for the theory that black kids can't learn unless they sit next to white kids is approximately five decades of sociological and educational research showing that not only are majority-minority schools areas in which students vastly underperform compared to majority white schools, but those same students when removed from those bad schools and placed in integrated environments show huge improvement. </end quote></div>
This is an indicator of many social dynamics, one of which is the role models and encouragement that students receive in majority-minority communities...but if anyone targets the social dynamics of those communities as part of the problem, they are racists for doing so.
Why is that quote crap...if we remove color of skin from the equation in determining where children can go to school, then the demographics of school districts themselves should become irrelevant...you cannot legislate equity of outcomes.
What's funny is, those of you screaming about this decision here about this is step backward because of "right wing" Bush government, has no problem with Bush immigration plan of granting citizenship. He wants non-white Spanish speaking folks to come, become Americans. You even worship Bush for that, like he's second coming of Christ saving South Americans from a flood.
But now the same "right wing" Bush Republician appointed judges make this decision, you scream at how racist they are and want to keep pure white America. Oh please, get your logic in order!
But now the same "right wing" Bush Republician appointed judges make this decision, you scream at how racist they are and want to keep pure white America. Oh please, get your logic in order!
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
Why do I get the feeling you're a white kid who grew up in the suburbs, got imbued with 'white guilt' up to your gills and is now on a mission to watch out for them po' minorities, who can't possibly take care of themselves?
Sometimes I think I prefer out-and-out racism to the simpering "we'll take care of you, you dumb wittle minority" attitude of people like senseamp.
No, this thread is about the use of race as a factor in educational policy. Affirmative action is just that.
Your argument is completely retarded. You don't see ill effects simply because you don't look. Consider the 200-400 SAT score penalty on asian applicants to top tier colleges. That is undeniable. Notice the leap in asian members in the UC schools after the abolition of racial quotas, and the high number of Asians in race-blind institutions such as Stuyvesant HS. The policies you support deny many asians the chance at a higher quality education.
The fact that you work with a lot of asians is not only irrelevant, it is also a stupid argument. personal anecdotes are meaningless in this context.
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