Discovery channel taken hostage

[sandorski]

Huh? It prevents them from being born, it does kill a baby(depending on when it's done). Look you're not going to get me going all bible thumper against abortion. I'm not against abortion, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Fetus>>>>>>Birth>>>>>Baby

You are incorrect, sorry.

 

[sandorski]

<--------------- to anatomy class.

Tell me how it goes.

 

[Cogman]

Fetus>>>>>>Birth>>>>>Baby

You are incorrect, sorry.

There is a birth stage of a humans existence? Here I thought it was more of a process.

 

[sandorski]

There is a birth stage of a humans existence? Here I thought it was more of a process.

 

[classy]

Guy sounded like a real whacko

 

[JohnnyGage]

Tell me how it goes.

See Cogman above. No more thread jacking.

 

[xj0hnx]

There is a birth stage of a humans existence? Here I thought it was more of a process.

Well of course, it makes it easier to have them sucked out if they can just call them a "clump of cells", even though every one posting here was that same "clump of cells".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Fetus>>>>>>Birth>>>>>Baby

And?

 

[sandorski]

And?

>>>>Death. The End

 

[werepossum]

Said on the radio that the cops shot the guy, so I was wrong. He DID succeed in lowering the Earth's population!

I should feel sad that an obviously mentally ill person acted out and lost his life, but honestly I'm still in the "good riddance" stage. I anticipate that lasting for another decade or two, baring an errant cellphone-using driver or a recurrence of cancer.

 

[OCGuy]

....I should feel sad that an obviously mentally ill person acted out and lost his life....

Far Left democrats are pretty out-there, but no need to label them mentally ill.

 

[Cogman]

Guy should have died. Mentally ill or not, if you put others lives on the line, you forfeit your own.

 

[PeshakJang]

Guy should have died. Mentally ill or not, if you put others lives on the line, you forfeit your own.

Just heard... he is dead.

 

[Throckmorton]

Fetus>>>>>>Birth>>>>>Baby

You are incorrect, sorry.

That flow chart shows terminology and legal status, not biology. There's no biological difference between a fetus 1 minute before birth and 1 minute after birth.

 

[sandorski]

That flow chart shows terminology and legal status, not biology. There's no biological difference between a fetus 1 minute before birth and 1 minute after birth.

True enough. I just Dumbed it down since Dumbed down sloganeering was the discussion.

 

[bfdd]

Fetus>>>>>>Birth>>>>>Baby

You are incorrect, sorry.

Like I said you're an idiot. They are vastly different things. Preventing the existence of and and preventing the life of are very much different things. It's very sad you can't tell the difference.

 

[sandorski]

Like I said you're an idiot. They are vastly different things. Preventing the existence of and and preventing the life of are very much different things. It's very sad you can't tell the difference.

That's the crux, it all just perspective. To some(Catholics for eg, mainly the Higher Ups anyway), a Condom is the same as Abortion. Who is to say that Life begins at Fertilization perhaps, in the God Universe, Life begins at the point when a Man has a twinkle in his eye.

Calling Abortion "Murder" is just as Nonsensical. It's very sad you can't see the difference.

 

[bfdd]

That's the crux, it all just perspective. To some(Catholics for eg, mainly the Higher Ups anyway), a Condom is the same as Abortion. Who to say that Life begins at Fertilization perhaps, in the God Universe, Life begins at the point when a Man has a twinkle in his eye.

Calling Abortion "Murder" is just as Nonsensical. It's very sad you can't see the difference.

I'm talking about real life, not the magical world of religion. I am not religious I do not think with any religious teachings in mind, so you trying to argue that perspective on me is moot. I also never said it was murder I said it was preventing life. Like I said previously I am not against abortion, but I am against people comparing it to contraceptive. Abortion is NOT contraceptive and anyone who thinks the two are equal is an idiot.

 

[Throckmorton]

That's the crux, it all just perspective. To some(Catholics for eg, mainly the Higher Ups anyway), a Condom is the same as Abortion. Who is to say that Life begins at Fertilization perhaps, in the God Universe, Life begins at the point when a Man has a twinkle in his eye.

Calling Abortion "Murder" is just as Nonsensical. It's very sad you can't see the difference.

The Catholic church doesn't believe condoms are murder, oppose contraceptives because they circumvent God's will or whatever. There's no logical basis for sperm dying being the same as a fetus dying, because sperm are constantly dying. If it's not ejaculated into a condom, it would die in your testicles anyway.

The only legitimate debate is whether human life begins at conception, when an actual new human being with its own DNA is formed, or at the point that the fetus gains the ability to think, or feel pain, or whatever you use to gauge mental development. Those are biological stages in development, not religious ones. The second one could even apply after birth. The ancient Greeks didn't consider a baby to have personhood until well after birth, so they could perform post-birth abortions by leaving newborns in the wilderness to die of exposure.


The very idea of human life being defined as beginning to exist at birth is ridiculous and has no basis in science.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's the crux, it all just perspective. To some(Catholics for eg, mainly the Higher Ups anyway), a Condom is the same as Abortion. Who is to say that Life begins at Fertilization perhaps, in the God Universe, Life begins at the point when a Man has a twinkle in his eye.

Calling Abortion "Murder" is just as Nonsensical. It's very sad you can't see the difference.

Out of curiosity, when do you believe it becomes murder? If a woman is in labor, but the "thing" hasn't exited the vagina, is it OK to kill it? If yes, then wouldn't it be OK to do it after it comes out? Other than a few inches in location there's no difference. If not, then what about a minute earlier? A day? When?

The point is that none of this is as clear cut as we'd like. It's all arbitrary and so subject to beliefs.

 

[sandorski]

I'm talking about real life, not the magical world of religion. I am not religious I do not think with any religious teachings in mind, so you trying to argue that perspective on me is moot. I also never said it was murder I said it was preventing life. Like I said previously I am not against abortion, but I am against people comparing it to contraceptive. Abortion is NOT contraceptive and anyone who thinks the two are equal is an idiot.

Fair enough. You must see why the Religious/Your arguments get muddled together though, right? Nothing Personal, it's just that the Debate is usually from a Religious POV on the Anti-Abortion/Pro-Life side.

 

[sandorski]

Out of curiosity, when do you believe it becomes murder? If a woman is in labor, but the "thing" hasn't exited the vagina, is it OK to kill it? If yes, then wouldn't it be OK to do it after it comes out? Other than a few inches in location there's no difference. If not, then what about a minute earlier? A day? When?

The point is that none of this is as clear cut as we'd like. It's all arbitrary and so subject to beliefs.

Indeed. I don't know when it is "Life". I'm just tired of the Debate having not progressed beyond the Original point of 40-50 years ago.

Abortion is here and it is a Woman's Rights issue. End of that Discussion. If the Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion side want to discuss "Late Term Abortion" or join in a Discussion of "When Abortion is Permissible" or "Under what circumstances", then fine. Instead they've been growing more extreme. That shit is unacceptable and will only result in the other side growing more extreme(like myself and my little >>> thingy).

 

[Craig234]

Sometimes, we're tempted to reply to idiot trolls. Sometimes we correct the mistake and remove the reply to someone like JohnnyGage.

 

[Craig234]

Guy should have died. Mentally ill or not, if you put others lives on the line, you forfeit your own.

Don't exactly apply that consistently, do you? (Nor should you apply it at all).

We should have people put others' lives at risk less often - war that benefits us, criminals, drunk drivers, tyranny. People who wrongly threaten others might need to be killed to protect.

Human life has value, including this guy's.

 

[bfdd]

Fair enough. You must see why the Religious/Your arguments get muddled together though, right? Nothing Personal, it's just that the Debate is usually from a Religious POV on the Anti-Abortion/Pro-Life side.

No problem, just don't jump to conclusions and assume things like that. I made it clear I do not oppose abortion and I never used the term murder. We might disagree on a lot of things, but I don't fit into any predefined mold you have for people that disagree with you. I've been called a dirty liberal as many times as I've been called an idiotic conservative.

edit- I too apologize for calling you names.