Dirty Pig Scum >>>Disabled woman set on fire as Paris riots spread

dahunan

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I am sure that Allah approves of this...

This is definitely the way to improve your social and economic standing.. DESTROY YOUR COMMUNITY

What a bunch of worthless pigs...




http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1635043,00.html
Disabled woman set on fire as Paris riots spread

· Passengers caught in blaze as youths ambush bus
· New attacks thwart hopes that troubles may be over

Jon Henley Paris
Saturday November 5, 2005
The Guardian


A 56-year-old physically disabled woman was being treated in the burns unit of a Paris hospital yesterday after the bus she was travelling in was set alight by youths in the northern suburb of Sevran.
The incident was the ugliest yet in the violence that has convulsed the suburbs of Paris during the past week. Last night, fresh attacks were reported in two dormitory towns outside the French capital where youths set fire to cars and two buildings.


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There were also signs of the violence spreading beyond Paris, with arson attacks reported earlier in the day in Rouen in northern France, Dijon in the east and Marseille in the south.
Officials nonetheless expressed hope yesterday that the country's worst urban unrest in a decade could be on the wane. But on Thursday alone, more than 500 cars were torched in the Paris region, an increase on previous episodes.

Police said the Sevran attack left the woman with 30% burns. The number 15 bus had just left the town's railway station at about 9.30pm when it was forced to a halt by burning rubbish bins strewn across the road. Two hooded youths forced open the front door, emptied jerry cans of petrol over the floor and on the front-seat passenger and the driver, then threw lighted rags inside.

The driver, who helped the woman off the bus as other passengers escaped through a rear door, was taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. "We are treating this as attempted manslaughter," a police spokesman said.

The prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, and the interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, pledged that order would soon be restored and the law respected.

The rioting began last week when two teenagers of African origin were accidentally electrocuted while hiding from police in Clichy-sous-Bois, north of Paris. The violence is fuelled partly by resentment at France's discriminatory treatment of its north and black African communities, a far cry from the liberty, equality and fraternity of the country that likes to call itself the birthplace of human rights.

But officials and social workers also acknowledge that as often as not it is also about youths simply "having a go" at the police - and particularly at the plain-speaking Mr Sarkozy, who refers to the troublemakers as yobs.

"Some of them just come along for the fun," said Gerard Gaudron, mayor of one of the worst-hit towns, Aulnay sous Bois. "Instead of playing on their PlayStations they have a go at the riot police.

"In a few days' time they'll return to normal life ... everyone has now had enough; parents have realised this has to stop. They are starting to keep kids at home."

Police yesterday criticised Mr Sarkozy for his policies, which they said had contributed to the problem. In an earlier stint as interior minister, Mr Sarkozy slashed the number of officers on the beat, to beef up resources for investigation.

 

Witling

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Two things. Not to defend the action but it appears that they were trying to set the bus on fire, not set the disabled passenger on fire. Ever consider a less "inflamatory" leadin for this thread? Second, this write-up reminds me a little of the "Iraqi soldiers dump babies out of incubators" headlines from Gulf War I. There was a woman who testified to this in Congressional hearings. She was later completely discredited as an agent of the Kuwaiti government giving false testimony. Dahunan, you're too caught up in "the other." Of course you wouldn't set a disabled person on fire deliberately but you're perfectly willing to believe that the world's "evil-doers" are just scanning the horizons for disabled people to set on fire. I'd also like to say that, in my opinion, there's disabled and then there's disabled. Lots of disabilities, while very real, are not apparent when looking at the person. For example, this woman may have been mentally disabled but looked perfectly normal. When we see "disabled" in the headlines (or in the story) we tend to think "leg braces and crutches."

[EDITED] After sparying the anti-xenophobe spray, I went to read the article. The headline (which is written separately from the article) is as Duh? portrays it. However, the subhead is "Passengers caught in blaze as youths ambush bus." Then, remember Duh's highlighting "emptying jerry cans of petrol . . . front seat driver and passenger?" Want to know what happened to the driver? Read the article. He didn't even catch fire; he was treated for smoke inhalation. Go back and read my paragraph about "the other." We're so good; they're so evil. Apparently they didn't try too hard to set anyone on fire.

Finally, in an effort to cut down the rants, let me repeat my first statement. I don't condone this particular action or the riots but, you take bad reporting and reactionary, noncritical readers, and you've got trouble in Kansas.
 

dahunan

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Uhm..

FWIW.. It was obvious that the bus had passengers on it when they set it on fire from the inside :( the fire was no accident.... I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be :confused:
 

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Dahunan says, "I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be."

The motive is rage. In more rational terms it can be esxpressed as "No justice, no peace." We live in a ridiculously wealthy society. I happen to think that the opportunity to garner great wealth is good -- it's a major motivator for development. But, the distribution of this wealth doesn't have to be as outright ridiculous as it turns out to be in Western societies (and perhaps Eastern societies too). I don't credit the street thugs with reading too much news, but when you live in a society where a person can collect millions while ruining a company and running it into the ground while at the same time hard (physical) work has lost it's economic value. Yeah, I can see rage as an option on the radar screen. For example, in my country, the U.S., Congress has just proposed a $35 billion dollar multi-year budget trim. Where are they trimming (among other places) prescription drugs and student loans. Look at my icon. Do I look like I'm interested in student loans. But, do I think limiting student loans -- as opposed to tax cuts for people earning over $500,000 a year, is the way to go? Now where did I put that jerry can?
 

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Q]I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be[/quote]

I am sure that the motvie was to appease their bloodthirsty god Allah.

Muslims as a roup need to step up and begin denouncing this crap as the silence at the top every time there is a violent outburst against the West is deafening. It speaks volumes as to the real, hate everyone but us stance that they have taken up.

Try to argue this point - but show me where there is any common attempt for the leadership to decry violence.


But, the distribution of this wealth doesn't have to be as outright ridiculous
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On one hand you say it is a great motivator to make this wealth, then you say this crap. If What motivator is wealth if most of it is taken away from you and given to those that for the most part have chosen not to even attempt to integrate. Those that come to the West simply to soak up their welfare.

I am sure that in this case, North Africans in Paris (even those on the very fair French welfare rolls) are doing much better than their counterparts in Africa. This problem goes further than that.
 

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Smooth move, irwincur -- boy, I sure hope "cur" refers to cursor or some other reference and not "a mongerel dog."

Boy, WinCur, where do you live that "most of" your wealth is taken from you. The vast majority of the board members live in countries where the government takes less than "most of" our income. Seriously, please answer this are you talking about the U.S.? If so, just saying that the government takes most of your income allows us to locate your head with respect to your posterior.

But, more important to me, and a reason for the sarcasm here. "their bloodthirsty god Allah." I've never been beaten in a double-dog dare on this board. I double dog dare you to show me where in Dahunan's article it mentions "Islam," "muslim," "Allah," or any other thing about Islam. Double dog dare. Please either produce or be so kind as to tell us why you thought we had to shift from rioting youth to something about muslims in general.

I don't want to get into, "muslims as a group need to stop . . . " How well did Americans as a group do at stopping the Watts and Detroit riots? How well did the Germans do at . . . well, I hope you get the point (but really doubt that you do).

As for those lazy, welfare-sucking immigrants, are you one of those people who believes the U.S. is the wealthiest country in the world? Do you also believe that we're a country of immigrants? How do you reconcile those two things?
 

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Note: "Dirty Pig Scum" may be just a BIT over the top. Given the connotation of pig for Muslims, it's even more inflammatory. But-

Originally posted by: Witling
Two things. Not to defend the action but it appears that they were trying to set the bus on fire, not set the disabled passenger on fire. Ever consider a less "inflamatory" leadin for this thread? Second, this write-up reminds me a little of the "Iraqi soldiers dump babies out of incubators" headlines from Gulf War I. There was a woman who testified to this in Congressional hearings. She was later completely discredited as an agent of the Kuwaiti government giving false testimony. Dahunan, you're too caught up in "the other." Of course you wouldn't set a disabled person on fire deliberately but you're perfectly willing to believe that the world's "evil-doers" are just scanning the horizons for disabled people to set on fire. I'd also like to say that, in my opinion, there's disabled and then there's disabled. Lots of disabilities, while very real, are not apparent when looking at the person. For example, this woman may have been mentally disabled but looked perfectly normal. When we see "disabled" in the headlines (or in the story) we tend to think "leg braces and crutches."

[EDITED] After sparying the anti-xenophobe spray, I went to read the article. The headline (which is written separately from the article) is as Duh? portrays it. However, the subhead is "Passengers caught in blaze as youths ambush bus." Then, remember Duh's highlighting "emptying jerry cans of petrol . . . front seat driver and passenger?" Want to know what happened to the driver? Read the article. He didn't even catch fire; he was treated for smoke inhalation. Go back and read my paragraph about "the other." We're so good; they're so evil. Apparently they didn't try too hard to set anyone on fire.

Finally, in an effort to cut down the rants, let me repeat my first statement. I don't condone this particular action or the riots but, you take bad reporting and reactionary, noncritical readers, and you've got trouble in Kansas.

Right, everyone but you is a "noncritical" reader. Whatever that is.... ;)

Originally posted by: Witling
See my edited paragraph above. The driver didn't even get alight!

As is that makes a difference. Smoke inhalation is a better way to go I take it? Have you ever tried it? I don't think so. I have, during some military training. It ain't fun, trust me. I fail to see how this exonertates those poepl from trying to harm others by setting fire to the bus. Burn to death, die of smoke inhalation, the end result is the same.

Originally posted by: Witling
Dahunan says, "I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be."

The motive is rage. In more rational terms it can be esxpressed as "No justice, no peace." We live in a ridiculously wealthy society. I happen to think that the opportunity to garner great wealth is good -- it's a major motivator for development. But, the distribution of this wealth doesn't have to be as outright ridiculous as it turns out to be in Western societies (and perhaps Eastern societies too). I don't credit the street thugs with reading too much news, but when you live in a society where a person can collect millions while ruining a company and running it into the ground while at the same time hard (physical) work has lost it's economic value. Yeah, I can see rage as an option on the radar screen. For example, in my country, the U.S., Congress has just proposed a $35 billion dollar multi-year budget trim. Where are they trimming (among other places) prescription drugs and student loans. Look at my icon. Do I look like I'm interested in student loans. But, do I think limiting student loans -- as opposed to tax cuts for people earning over $500,000 a year, is the way to go? Now where did I put that jerry can?

Whatever way you'd like to couch it, you're giving the rioters a pass. They have issues, pursue them other ways. Burning the city down is not acceptable.
 

raildogg

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Many muslims have been radicalized and there is no hope for them. They must be killed or they will kill us. That is the future of this earth.

Do you guys also see a pattern here? Many young muslims in the UK a few years also did similar acts as this. There were huge riots in the UK a few years ago that were racially motivated. It seems that the muslim youth in these countries are feeling left out and feel the urge to lash out against the ethnic local populations.

God bless heroes like Theo Van Gogh.
 

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Arsbanned. Your first "point" "smoke inhalation is a better way to go?" The point is, he got splashed with gas but not set on fire. And, yes, I have tried breathing smoke in military firefighting school. How about you?

I'm not giving the riotors a pass. Duh? asked why they might be doing it. I explained. In my opinion, it's morons who can think in only one dimension who got us into Iraq. "They don't think like I do, therefore they must be _ _[ stupid / crazy / evil / . .other. . ]_ _. Let me repeat the ending of my first post. "Finally, in an effort to cut down the rants, let me repeat my first statement. I don't condone this particular action or the riots but, you take bad reporting and reactionary, noncritical readers, and you've got trouble in Kansas." Ah, if only the Arse were banned.
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Many muslims have been radicalized and there is no hope for them. They must be killed or they will kill us. That is the future of this earth.

Do you guys also see a pattern here? Many young muslims in the UK a few years also did similar acts as this. There were huge riots in the UK a few years ago that were racially motivated. It seems that the muslim youth in these countries are feeling left out and feel the urge to lash out against the ethnic local populations.

God bless heroes like Theo Van Gogh.

See, this is what I like about Republicans...they have a kind of optimism that's really missing from the Democratic party. :roll:

Seriously though, riots, terrorists and all, how many billions of Muslims are there in the world? How many do stuff like this? Or is it just an excuse for religious hate and intolerance?
 

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Originally posted by: Witling
Arsbanned. Your first "point" "smoke inhalation is a better way to go?" The point is, he got splashed with gas but not set on fire. And, yes, I have tried breathing smoke in military firefighting school. How about you?

I'm not giving the riotors a pass. Duh? asked why they might be doing it. I explained. In my opinion, it's morons who can think in only one dimension who got us into Iraq. "They don't think like I do, therefore they must be _ _[ stupid / crazy / evil / . .other. . ]_ _. Let me repeat the ending of my first post. "Finally, in an effort to cut down the rants, let me repeat my first statement. I don't condone this particular action or the riots but, you take bad reporting and reactionary, noncritical readers, and you've got trouble in Kansas." Ah, if only the Arse were banned.

Firefighting school and SERE school, where it was used as a torture technique? The SERE experience is FAR worse, believe you me mistah. *hands on waist*
Anyway, I'm hardly a one dimensional thinker. I don't support our presense in Iraq. I don't support the idea of condemning all Muslims. But I will not in any way shape or form excuse what those a*sholes are doing.
 

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I blame France. They let in all these immigrants and now they go crazy on them because they want the same rights as everyone else. Don't worry, this is going to happen in all of Europe pretty soon with the amount of Muslims on that continent. Better lay the law down ASAP.
 

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Q]I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be

I am sure that the motvie was to appease their bloodthirsty god Allah.

Muslims as a roup need to step up and begin denouncing this crap as the silence at the top every time there is a violent outburst against the West is deafening..[/quote]

Muslims get mistreated and riot/fight back....by telling us to denounce it, you are saying to us to tell muslims: ''hey, don't fight back when you are mistreated, just keep taking it up the a$$''
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Many muslims have been radicalized and there is no hope for them. They must be killed or they will kill us. That is the future of this earth.

Do you guys also see a pattern here? Many young muslims in the UK a few years also did similar acts as this. There were huge riots in the UK a few years ago that were racially motivated. It seems that the muslim youth in these countries are feeling left out and feel the urge to lash out against the ethnic local populations.

God bless heroes like Theo Van Gogh.

..its a RIOT! Riots everywhere do crazy stupid stuff! I don't see how this relates to religion at all...people do stupid stuff REGARDLESS OF RELIGION...

I find it amazing how every minute possible a few people have to reach for straws and blame everything on their religion. "Oh there was a robbery?! The bad guy must have been a Muslim for sure, I know it!"

How does a riot, where people always do the most ridiculous stupid things, say there is a problem with their religion? This just seems like idiotic kids who need a beating for doing something so cruel....
then as you know doing cruel things in the USA never happens here, or the rest of Europe~ its only those dirty immigrants that do filthy things, and it always because of their religion.

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As for the kids, they are pig scum....to set a disabled woman on fire is absolutely horrible...
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: irwincur
Q]I would like to know what their motive was supposed to be

I am sure that the motvie was to appease their bloodthirsty god Allah.

Muslims as a roup need to step up and begin denouncing this crap as the silence at the top every time there is a violent outburst against the West is deafening..

Muslims get mistreated and riot/fight back....by telling us to denounce it, you are saying to us to tell muslims: ''hey, don't fight back when you are mistreated, just keep taking it up the a$$''[/quote]


Nice form of justice.. BTW, these particular form of Muslims there forced legislation that would remove Piglet Pic of Piglet and any other pig forms from schools and city streets etc..


How does DESTROYING something help bring a resolution? << I am refering to the RIOTING AND FIRES .. Doesn't it seem might fvcking retarded to burn your own neighborhood down?

 

magomago

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Originally posted by: dahunan


Nice form of justice.. BTW, these particular form of Muslims there forced legislation that would remove Piglet Pic of Piglet and any other pig forms from schools and city streets etc..


How does DESTROYING something help bring a resolution? << I am refering to the RIOTING AND FIRES .. Doesn't it seem might fvcking retarded to burn your own neighborhood down?

Wouldn't the more important question be, "How does this riot connect to their religion at all?" We should aim to answer that first. Once we can establish the connection between religion and potential to riot, then we should freely talk about other things~

As for piglet...LOL :D Not that I care or anything, but just amusing from my perspective, especially since piglet is a character...not a main dish ;)
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: dahunan


Nice form of justice.. BTW, these particular form of Muslims there forced legislation that would remove Piglet Pic of Piglet and any other pig forms from schools and city streets etc..


How does DESTROYING something help bring a resolution? << I am refering to the RIOTING AND FIRES .. Doesn't it seem might fvcking retarded to burn your own neighborhood down?

Wouldn't the more important question be, "How does this riot connect to their religion at all?" We should aim to answer that first. Once we can establish the connection between religion and potential to riot, then we should freely talk about other things~

As for piglet...LOL :D Not that I care or anything, but just amusing from my perspective, especially since piglet is a character...not a main dish ;)


the whole neighborhood is Predominantly Muslim ...

Yes, they fought hard and got Piglet removed and even the Piggy Bank... BASED ON religious whackoism... the sh1t that stops us from getting along
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: dahunan


Nice form of justice.. BTW, these particular form of Muslims there forced legislation that would remove Piglet Pic of Piglet and any other pig forms from schools and city streets etc..


How does DESTROYING something help bring a resolution? << I am refering to the RIOTING AND FIRES .. Doesn't it seem might fvcking retarded to burn your own neighborhood down?

Wouldn't the more important question be, "How does this riot connect to their religion at all?" We should aim to answer that first. Once we can establish the connection between religion and potential to riot, then we should freely talk about other things~

As for piglet...LOL :D Not that I care or anything, but just amusing from my perspective, especially since piglet is a character...not a main dish ;)


the whole neighborhood is Predominantly Muslim ...

Yes, they fought hard and got Piglet removed and even the Piggy Bank... BASED ON religious whackoism... the sh1t that stops us from getting along

So? Does it matter if they are mainly Muslim? What if a mainly black neighborhood riots? Does that mean they riot because of the fact that being black leads them to be predisposed to this?

As for a the pig, if they get that removed in THEIR own neighborhoods...I'm assuming some kind of legislation pushed that through, which means they all voted. Can't complain about it. Personally I think its a little too much, but it doesn't seem anything too odd considering where I live is also one of the more conservative areas (albiet Christianity) so I also see weird stuff.

But seriously, if it is a predominantly Muslims neighborhood, and most vote for it...that is the democracy we want~ Those who are non Muslim should still have every right to buy piggy banks for their kids, watch "uncesnored tapes" of winnie the pooh, and eat pork...

Personally though I agree with you...that is just too stupid and pointless ;) It isn't like exposing your pigs to kids will make them fall in love with them...just seems like a lot of conservativeness. And to be conservative isn't bad or anything, but it sometimes it may seem very awkward ;)
 

dahunan

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I wouldn't say that race predisposes anyone to anything... except not being a very good swimmer or not being able to jump as well as others :D

I can see that just because they are predominantly muslim does not mean that it has anything to do with the rioting.. it should actually stop them since they are supposed to be peaceful..

The riots are just a big embarassment for all involved especially for the rioters who are destroying their neighborhoods...
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I wouldn't say that race predisposes anyone to anything... except not being a very good swimmer or not being able to jump as well as others :D

I can see that just because they are predominantly muslim does not mean that it has anything to do with the rioting.. it should actually stop them since they are supposed to be peaceful..

The riots are just a big embarassment for all involved especially for the rioters who are destroying their neighborhoods...

:thumbsup: Agree totally. It is amazing that no matter how much religion ingrains itself into society, that people seem to be so stubborn and still be violent. We see it everywhere, from "religious" Jews and Muslims in the mideast hell bent on murdering eachother, to religious nuts here wanting to turn Iraq into glass. To even take it to a broader view, even past governments in history that had an official religion did not mean it was a pacificst country, or it followed the religion at all. You have places like Napolean sponsering Catholicism, but at the same time going to war~ heck in other places like England the King IS the head of the Church, but that didn't stop British exploitation at all. You even got some crazy nuts in India a few hundred years ago that thought Hindus, and even Muslims who didn't follow their own views, should be persecuted.

Religion is obviously here to help us, but sometimes I think people look at religion and expect the world out of it. To just sit there, read the texts all the time and beleive in the creed is very commendeble...but it isn't the "miracle cure" for everything. Just like praying to God to do well on that test does not mean you will do well; you can have the most zeal in God, but unless you study and help yourself...nothing will happen (this comes from my view that God will only help those who help themselves)
Okay now I'm getting offtopic...I shall stop, I have massive projects due on Monday ;)
 

dahunan

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Honestly.. Thank you for taking the time to help me see my prejudice more clearly.
 

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I blame France. They let in all these immigrants and now they go crazy on them because they want the same rights as everyone else. Don't worry, this is going to happen in all of Europe pretty soon with the amount of Muslims on that continent. Better lay the law down ASAP.

Lay down the law? Aren't you missing the point here? The root cause of the issue, as far as I understand it, is that Europeans are much less willing to accept racially and culturaly diverse immigrants than many other countries (including the US). Muslims are not treated very well in Europe, raciscm and hatred in the US aside, it sounds worse in Europe. Of course this isn't an excuse for anything that has been done in retaliation, but it seems like there is an easy solution to the conflicts.