DirectX 11.2 for Windows 8.1 and Xbox One only

[Maximilian]

Blah blah blah blah blah great, another lame reason to complain about microsoft. I thought that ceased being interesting, like, 10 years ago but APPARENTLY not.

This is nothing different than windows vista, windows XP, or windows 7 - which also required updating windows for the latest DX version. Of course, *anything* serves as reason to complain incessantly about MS these days - Maybe MS should be a not for profit organization, , nobody would ever whine then I guess.

Well... maybe if M$ would stop giving people more ammunition...

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Microsoft continues to unload round after round into its foot.

If at first you don't succeed, Ballmer.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I'm not worried at all about Nvidia supporting these features. Then again, until there is working examples of this all being used somewhere, just printing a 11.2 on the box and adding in support really doesn't impress me either.

Yea, things could change, but in the past these incremental updates to Dx have done very little.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Windows 8.1 is also free for all Windows 8 owners.

The problem is that a lot of people are more than happy with Win 7 or even actively DONT want win 8. So this is just another ploy by MS to try to force people to upgrade to Win 8.

In the past, I have usually defended MS, but honestly, recently they have seemed more interested in pushing their agenda and showing their arrogance than in pleasing the customer.

Prime example is Win 8. I dont hate it as much as some, but really, would it have been that hard to leave the start menu and allow boot to desktop as an option.

 

[blackened23]

The problem is that a lot of people are more than happy with Win 7 or even actively DONT want win 8. So this is just another ploy by MS to try to force people to upgrade to Win 8.

In the past, I have usually defended MS, but honestly, recently they have seemed more interested in pushing their agenda and showing their arrogance than in pleasing the customer.

Prime example is Win 8. I dont hate it as much as some, but really, would it have been that hard to leave the start menu and allow boot to desktop as an option.

Yawn. The incessant whining about microsoft is old and cliche, yet people want to complain and then still give MS their money. Windows Vista was a required upgrade for the newest DX version. Windows 7 was a required upgrade for the latest DX. Windows XP was a required upgrade for the then latest version of DX. Oh, but let's whine NOW. If you care that much DONT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. Vote with your wallet instead of whining non-stop on forums as if microsoft is some vicious evil corporation. Fact of the matter is, Microsoft is a business and they do nothing different than any other business. They want to sell software and products. If you care so much as to whine on a forum, vote with your wallet. It's as simple as that.

As i've said before, the previous FIVE VERSIONS OF WINDOWS DID PRECISELY THE SAME THING. Yet all of a sudden, now's the time to complain because of DX 11.2. Yawn, give me a break please. DX 11.2 is neither required nor is it a major upgrade. Instead of whining, don't give MS your money. It's that simple. People are acting as if DX 11.2 is some game changing version of DX - it isn't. It won't be required, it's a non-factor.

I mean, I spent 40$ on Windows 8 upgrade. Good lord, Microsoft is so evil dudes. 40 bucks. I spend thousands on PC hardware, yet 40 bucks during their promotional period is too much. I hate microsoft and will just complain about them incessantly, I guess. Oh yeah. Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade for windows 8 owners - and windows 8.1 is shaping up to be a very nice update. 40$ and 8.1 is free - I guess that's clearly cause to whine. Microsoft. Vicious, evil, Ballmer, blah blah blah.

 

[Will Robinson]

Good post,I agree.
Windows 7 is the best consumer/enthusiast OS so far and was worth it compared to all the money I've spent on hardware.
The front end of Windows 8 seems a bit clunky ie Metro/Start etc but the backbone of it seems snappier and rock stable and MSE keeps it secure so I think MS do a pretty good job running my system.^_^
Whaddya gonna use...Linux distros and OSX ? LOL

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yawn. The incessant whining about microsoft is old and cliche, yet people want to complain and then still give MS their money. Windows Vista was a required upgrade for the newest DX version. Windows 7 was a required upgrade for the latest DX. Windows XP was a required upgrade for the then latest version of DX. Oh, but let's whine NOW. If you care that much DONT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. Vote with your wallet instead of whining non-stop on forums as if microsoft is some vicious evil corporation. Fact of the matter is, Microsoft is a business and they do nothing different than any other business. They want to sell software and products. If you care so much as to whine on a forum, vote with your wallet. It's as simple as that.

As i've said before, the previous FIVE VERSIONS OF WINDOWS DID PRECISELY THE SAME THING. Yet all of a sudden, now's the time to complain because of DX 11.2. Yawn, give me a break please. DX 11.2 is neither required nor is it a major upgrade. Instead of whining, don't give MS your money. It's that simple. People are acting as if DX 11.2 is some game changing version of DX - it isn't. It won't be required, it's a non-factor.

I mean, I spent 40$ on Windows 8 upgrade. Good lord, Microsoft is so evil dudes. 40 bucks. I spend thousands on PC hardware, yet 40 bucks during their promotional period is too much. I hate microsoft and will just complain about them incessantly, I guess. Oh yeah. Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade for windows 8 owners - and windows 8.1 is shaping up to be a very nice update. 40$ and 8.1 is free - I guess that's clearly cause to whine. Microsoft. Vicious, evil, Ballmer, blah blah blah.

Wow, relax. I was half way defending MS. You sound like my wife accusing me of whining every time I dont agree with her. (and believe me that is not a compliment).
Anyway, it makes no sense to tell me to vote with my pocketbook because there is no other option than windows anyway. And the world must be full of whiners if everyone who doesnt like the forced choices of win 8 is a whiner.

 

[thilanliyan]

Oh, but let's whine NOW.

What are you talking about? We whined back then too!!

 

[akugami]

Microsoft continues to unload round after round into its foot.

Shoot yourself in the foot a few times and eventually you stop feeling it. :whiste:

 

[Spjut]

As i've said before, the previous FIVE VERSIONS OF WINDOWS DID PRECISELY THE SAME THING. Yet all of a sudden, now's the time to complain because of DX 11.2. Yawn, give me a break please. DX 11.2 is neither required nor is it a major upgrade. Instead of whining, don't give MS your money. It's that simple. People are acting as if DX 11.2 is some game changing version of DX - it isn't. It won't be required, it's a non-factor.

I just don't see how DX11.2 for Windows 7 could be such a huge undertaking, especially considering Microsoft backported DX11 to Vista.

I'm mostly irritated by the Win8 exclusivity because it means very few studios will use DX11.2 to a big extent. Windows 7's userbase is huge, and if you want a slice of that market, you can't go above DX11.0.

It'll be like how even PC exclusives with very high requirements kept using DX9 because they wanted to target the big XP userbase.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I just don't see how DX11.2 for Windows 7 could be such a huge undertaking, especially considering Microsoft backported DX11 to Vista.

I'm mostly irritated by the Win8 exclusivity because it means very few studios will use DX11.2 to a big extent. Windows 7's userbase is huge, and if you want a slice of that market, you can't go above DX11.0.

It'll be like how even PC exclusives with very high requirements kept using DX9 because they wanted to target the big XP userbase.

MS will essentially not support any old OSes (Besides security wise). Its always focus on the next release, just like Apple. You will see yearly OS updates now. And no more service packs.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Windows 7 is old and for all intents and purposes dead, move on.

Windows 7 users are the new Windows XP users, move on already, the tech already has.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Wow, relax. I was half way defending MS. You sound like my wife accusing me of whining every time I dont agree with her. (and believe me that is not a compliment).
Anyway, it makes no sense to tell me to vote with my pocketbook because there is no other option than windows anyway. And the world must be full of whiners if everyone who doesnt like the forced choices of win 8 is a whiner.

Plenty of options...game on console and use linux

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

 

[n0x1ous]

The MS guy running the demo for the DX 11.2 tiled feature said it was running on a GTX 770......so pretty sure Kepler will have us covered on this one......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EswYdzsHKMc

 

[Kenmitch]

So tier2 is exclusive to GCN Radeons, does that count for desktop cards as well, or is it just the APUs?

If it includes desktop cards, that's bullshit

I don't understand why it would be so upsetting if it included Radeon desktop cards also.

I guess it should be held back for millions of GCN Radeons because you chose/choose NVidia products....Go figure!

It's OK to artificially limit things like PhysX to NVidia only rigs even tho a person could just by a dedicated PhysX card to run with a GCN primary card....Don't see any issue with NVidia going this route other than potential lost sales of higher end cards. If next gen console ports to favor GCN then I guess I could see NVidia allowing PhysX with GCN primary as a way to get more sales.

 

[yacoub]

Windows 8.1 is also free for all Windows 8 owners.

And yet most of us are just fine with Windows 7.

I won't be upgrading until a game I actually care about has significant features only available with DX11.2, which is to say years from now.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

So tier2 is exclusive to GCN Radeons, does that count for desktop cards as well, or is it just the APUs?

If it includes desktop cards, that's bullshit

The key feature required is not being an apu, it's having the AMD PRT extension (for virtual texturing). No GPU other than GCN has that, however NVIDIA will make something equivalent pretty much as soon as they can, expect it in next gen or the one after that.

Basically, AMD developed a nifty new feature that speeds some situations up a lot. Since it found it's way to the new consoles, MS wanted to add it to DX so that devs will actually use it. Since only the newest AMD cards have it as of now, they also built a software workaround that lets the same code run on any GPUs, only slower on things that don't have it.

Nothing about this process is new or special. This is how brilliant new ideas get embedded into the standards. Since this time around it was an AMD idea, they basically get a generation or two worth of lead (depending on how easy/hard it is for nV to jerry-rig it into their next-gen GPUs). This has happened countless times before, for both sides.

 

[mikeymikec]

Yawn. The incessant whining about microsoft

If you're not interested, then don't comment. The substance of your last two posts on this topic can be summarised with: "Microsoft started doing this ages before Win8". Great. We know that. That doesn't make it right.

Windows 7 is old and for all intents and purposes dead, move on.

Windows 7 users are the new Windows XP users, move on already, the tech already has.

What?

Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? Win7 is pretty bloody relevant as it has the largest share of the market:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Just because an OS maker comes out with a new version and says "look at our new shiny shiny!", it doesn't make the predecessor "dead". Win8 proves my point pretty conclusively there. Where's Win8 on that graph? Oh yeah, below Windows XP, OS X and Vista. Even Linux looks vaguely threatening to it!

 

[blackened23]

If you're not interested, then don't comment. The substance of your last two posts on this topic can be summarised with: "Microsoft started doing this ages before Win8". Great. We know that. That doesn't make it right.

Life's rough man. That 40$ I spent for windows 8/8.1 and the resulting completely optional upgrade with a completely optional version of DirectX which will not be required, and free upgrade to 8.1, good grief I hate micro$oft. What a bunch of vicious evil jerks. It's a tough life.

But i'll gladly spend a grand on PC hardware, as long as I don't have to give MS a trivial amount of money for an optional DX upgrade. I think i'll whine on a forum about it instead.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Pfft, you spent $2000 on your PC and another $40 to take advantage of all it's new features?

Silly Goose, 37% of users are still on XP, why do you even have a DX11.1 card DX9.0c is where the buck stopped!

 

[zlatan]

So tier2 is exclusive to GCN Radeons, does that count for desktop cards as well, or is it just the APUs?

If it includes desktop cards, that's bullshit

Not exclusive to GCN Radeons, but only this architecture can support the tier2 implementation.
Very few people know about it, but the GCN support much more function, that implemented in DX11.2. I think the next few DX APIs can be supported via driver updates.

 

[Red Hawk]

Eh, I have it set to put me in the Applications screen rather than the general Start screen. And the pseudo-Start menu from right clicking the Start icon has been improved.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't understand why it would be so upsetting if it included Radeon desktop cards also.

I guess it should be held back for millions of GCN Radeons because you chose/choose NVidia products....Go figure!

It's OK to artificially limit things like PhysX to NVidia only rigs even tho a person could just by a dedicated PhysX card to run with a GCN primary card....Don't see any issue with NVidia going this route other than potential lost sales of higher end cards. If next gen console ports to favor GCN then I guess I could see NVidia allowing PhysX with GCN primary as a way to get more sales.

What's held back? It can be done in the driver as software only and until I see any evidence that is makes any difference I wouldn't be tossing out doom and gloom for Nvidia.

 

[blackened23]

I don't see any AMD specific features, nor would I ever suspect microsoft of ever allowing that. DirectX was designed to support a wide variety of platforms, by microsoft's definition DX is meant to be for the PC but configuration agnostic.

Can the PC even use system memory for texturing? I'm not quite sure, but either way....I don't see anything that is a cause for alarm or anything AMD specific. For that matter, I don't even see anything worthwhile in this version of DirectX. I'm not sure why others have complained about it being for Windows 8.1 only, as 11.2 is an irrelevant DX upgrade (just as 11.1 was) and is completely optional.