Didn't 9/11 teach us anything?

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judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: judasmachine
I guess it taught me that americans whine the most when 3000 people are killed. All around the world people are killing each other for reasons that vary from petty larceny to state sanctioned murder. More than 3000 people die all around the world, and you expect one shot to phase me? Come on not after the masked genocide committed by this country. America kills hundreds of thousand Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11 and all you do is cheer them on. America also killed many of my grandfathers to satisfy their lust for empire. You expect me to sit down and worship at your flag, just because you got slapped. I think most certainly NOT!

What in the world are you talking about.

Who the hell is asking you to do any worshipping? Last time i checked we were still a democracy not an empire?

-Kevin

No this was only a democracy for the male and the white, when your kind murdered mine. Expanding across an entire continent killing those who were there before, that is how you build an empire. I'm sorry someone murdered 3000 of you, but guess what you almost wiped out an entire race, and no one makes movies about us like Schindler's List, and no one is disgusted when the cowboy shoots the dirty savage. I am sorry you do not like the taste of your medicine.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
9/11 taught me that some people are really scared of things they are ignorant of.
Yeah aren't you scared of Al Qeada?

I'm not nearly as scared of them as most Americans are. That's because I know enough about them to know the threat is being exagerated.

wow even after they kill 3000 Americans you still believe they are a fairy tale. What would it take for you to take them seriously?
 

Gaard

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To raildogg & Gaminphreek - does the stuff you are learning about in this thread have any effect at all on your opinions on the subject?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
9/11 taught me that some people are really scared of things they are ignorant of.
Yeah aren't you scared of Al Qeada?

I'm not nearly as scared of them as most Americans are. That's because I know enough about them to know the threat is being exagerated.

So you think their threat to hit us with another attack that would make 9/11 seem rather insignificant is just an exageration on their part?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
9/11 taught me that some people are really scared of things they are ignorant of.
Yeah aren't you scared of Al Qeada?

I'm not nearly as scared of them as most Americans are. That's because I know enough about them to know the threat is being exagerated.

So you think their threat to hit us with another attack that would make 9/11 seem rather insignificant is just an exageration on their part?

I don't question their desires or intentions.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Gaard
To raildogg & Gaminphreek - does the stuff you are learning about in this thread have any effect at all on your opinions on the subject?

you are sound like a lamer. give specific's
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Gaard
To raildogg & Gaminphreek - does the stuff you are learning about in this thread have any effect at all on your opinions on the subject?

you are sound like a lamer.

I thought you didn't like personal attacks and wanted to debate like an adult? :laugh:
 

knyghtbyte

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The world is summed up simply, Swings And Roundabouts

every so often a country/race/religion achieves a certain amount of power and gets a hold over others, whether it be sheer imperialistic might in the form of armies, or control of products (food, oil, gold, whatever), or simply have the will to do what other people dont.

Romans, Britains, French, Americans, Christians, Communists, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Africans, Chinese, Korean, Russian, whoever, its quite simple, at some point in history all those mentioned and more have tried to conquer the world, own everything, in a lot of cases kill people they dont like, enslave people they can vaguely tolerate. Some of those got very far (Romans, Britains, Russians, Chinese) by either owning massive areas of land, or riches, or having technological advancements far superior to their rivals in that time period. Others tried but their attempts petered out fairly quickly.....
In our time, most people assume America is the pretender to the imperial throne of the world, and yes, financially America is certainly trying to be in control of things, but America is generally not too concerned with controlling things outside its world provided money revolves and oil flows. However, Terrorist groups, whether based on Religious principles, or racial principles are the ones who are defining who is in control by happily killing complete innocents without regard, and i mean without any regard. Yes Hitler killed millions of Jews, but there was a specific reason he did that, it doesnt make it ok, its simply in the form of historical fact a justification on his part. However the Terrorists kill innocents for no reason other than to inspire fear to get what they want. They are willing to go to those lengths, and in some cases no doubt even enjoy doing it, others might not like doing it, but indoctrination carries them on the flow to completion. The rest of the world reacts in the only way, hunt down and kill all known terrorists and terrorist supporting countries, America lead the way by going into Iraq but as we know a large amount of that was Oil based. However, Terrorists dont just live in one nice neat country that we can go into and shoot, bomb, nuke whatever, nope, Terrorists have evolved in to the modern world, they have immersed themselves into societies in various countries, generally being your nice friendly neighbour nextdoor, im not just talking middle eastern based groups, but IRA or Chechnians or whoever/whatever (scuse my spelling on the names). So how do you fight the person who is actually a colleague at work, yet secretly planning on bombing the bank up the road to get funds to support their group? You cant, you try, you work with intelligence to track down as many as you can, but ultimately, unless all the religious groups, countries, etc work out their differences and agree total peace and harmony and to reveal all knowledge they hold about Terrorist groups they are aware of, nothing will happen. Untill sometime waaaay in the future when one Terrorist group has prevailed, gotten itself somewhere, used a dummy front to be in control of the public relations for them and stuck themselves in one place like a country with land, people and finances. Then when that happens (could be 10 years, 50 years or 100 years) the downtrodden (which are usually where rebellion starts, and are in some cases originally the ones who were in control before they got taken down a few pegs) rise up against their oppressors and it all happens again, maybe the next it will be all out war if nukes dont exist, if they do, then back to the geurilla style conflicts and Terrorist activity. No group is ever right, because quite simply everyone has their own opinion on everything.

9/11 was a terrorist act, in my opinion its a cowardly and vicious attack. Its also a very effective attack. I dont think anyone should ever commit such things as that. If you want to fight, organise a small war and let the people who like to shoot real people get it on. Leave the rest of us alone, all we want to do is wake up, go to work, or look after our kids, come home and have dinner, maybe go out and catch a movie, or go to a bar, or just relax at home, in the knowledge we can do the same again the next day and wont find ourselves buried beneah a pile of rubble that some fools C4 bomb has created.
I can live happily with anyone around me, race, religion, class or intelligence has no meaning to me, we are here, so why not just get on with enjoying it.



edits: simply a spelling mistake that made a difference..
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Gaard
To raildogg & Gaminphreek - does the stuff you are learning about in this thread have any effect at all on your opinions on the subject?

you are sound like a lamer. give specific's






Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

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Clinton's administration tried to warn Bush that something like 9/11 was possible. Bush ignored these warnings.
wow now did you just make that up?
Read this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...36&arctab=arc&



And note my 3rd post in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...55&arctab=arc&



Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: dgevert
"Don't forget 9/11" he says.

WTF does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq? NOTHING! Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Hussein had NOTHING to do with it.

I'm sick of hearing this claim.
And we are sick of listening to crap like that.

Obviously Saddam did have a part in there. Have you ever wondered why the White House does not release every single bit of intelligence out to the American People. We had our reasons. You are putting Hussein up on a pedestal here, do you think he is a good guy or something. What about the genocide on those Kurds. What about the Terrorists he was hardboring. What about the invasion of Kuat... no we made the right moves.

-Kevin
"Hardboring"? Sounds very painful. I don't think terrorists would like to be hardbored.

Anyway, I recommend you read the 9/11 Commission Report which shows that there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. I also recommend you search the various threads up here where this topic has been beaten to death over and over and over and no matter how many times you may say, it doesn't make it true.

Oh, btw, the invasion of Kuwait? Do some research into the satellite photos the US used to justify going to war. The photos were faked.
actually it has been confirmed there was al qaeda in Iraq before the war by USA. zarqawi has been there for a long time.
You don't read the truth much, do you?

Zarqawi was in a camp in northern Iraq, in Kurdish-controlled terrority, protected by the U.S. No-Fly Zone. Hmmm...

BTW, did you know Bush had three opportunities to get Zarqawi and passed them all up? Hmm...wonder why? You don't think he wanted to invade Iraq no matter what, do you? Naaaah...

never ever heard of that before


Did you not learn something in both instances? Has what you learned had any affect, at all, on your opinions?

One more question...why didn't you respond when you did learn something? Does the fact that you adhere to the different end of the political spectrum outweigh any need to acknowledge information gained?