moshquerade
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I guess I've been on plenty of boards where it is ALOT worse than here. So find this place pretty tame.
Captante
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- Oct 20, 2003
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It had both good & bad effect IMO ... The good was that some of the worst flaming & personal attacks went away (or at least were minimized to a degree), the bad was that some older members either left on their own or chose not to return after the knee-jerk bans that were handed out expired.
Well, i should have been more clear... it is better than it was prior to that... it still is pretty bad at times, but it will never be perfect due to the number and different types of people in this community.
The change only happened because a high posting woman complained to her now husband moderator about how it was here, so to make her happy she is now a mod who is trying to make a place that started as a male centric forum into one that is female friendly.
It hasn't worked other than to see the mods make fools out of themselves.
There are plenty of forums... I say let this one be what it is and just worry about moderating the people that really need it.
Now we're not a blog, but I'm sure if you looked at the basis of most posts, they are somewhat blog in nature.
This shouldn't come to anyone as a suprise. When you get a bunch of old cronies together to moderate a youthful forum, you get this.
Of course the hypocracy of the moderating staff is a whole seperate issue...
It hasn't worked other than to see the mods make fools out of themselves.
There are plenty of forums... I say let this one be what it is and just worry about moderating the people that really need it.
Now we're not a blog, but I'm sure if you looked at the basis of most posts, they are somewhat blog in nature.
This shouldn't come to anyone as a suprise. When you get a bunch of old cronies together to moderate a youthful forum, you get this.
Of course the hypocracy of the moderating staff is a whole seperate issue...
YOyoYOhowsDAjello
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yllus
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dirtboy is quite accurate in recounting why the "change of culture" was initiated, but that's not to say that things weren't in need of a change.
The biggest problem with these forums is that the moderators are all old timers, and the non-moderator old timers have pretty much all left. Human nature generally leads us to at least initially dislike aggressive newcomers, so we see a lot of people who pull the same stunts as people years past did get banned. It is hypocrisy, but somewhat understandable. You're asking the moderators to not act human.
Would be nice to get a sizeable batch of new moderators added, and to for once and for all time spell out a list of rules to be pinned in OT and all other forums. I agree that people should simply act out of common sense, but that's not quite a fair statement when you have some old members basically trolling and getting away with it - displaying an example of behaviour that a newcomer would expect to get away with him/herself. With a discrete list of rules, they can override that impression and go by the rulebook instead.
The biggest problem with these forums is that the moderators are all old timers, and the non-moderator old timers have pretty much all left. Human nature generally leads us to at least initially dislike aggressive newcomers, so we see a lot of people who pull the same stunts as people years past did get banned. It is hypocrisy, but somewhat understandable. You're asking the moderators to not act human.
Would be nice to get a sizeable batch of new moderators added, and to for once and for all time spell out a list of rules to be pinned in OT and all other forums. I agree that people should simply act out of common sense, but that's not quite a fair statement when you have some old members basically trolling and getting away with it - displaying an example of behaviour that a newcomer would expect to get away with him/herself. With a discrete list of rules, they can override that impression and go by the rulebook instead.
rh71
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didn't get any worse.
I'll tell you what though... this has never been a place where you could say to your gf... come join AT and be yourself... she could be called a big fvckin' idiot within 10 posts. There's no "friendly" atmosphere to speak of... and that's pretty sad. Pins & needles.
I'll tell you what though... this has never been a place where you could say to your gf... come join AT and be yourself... she could be called a big fvckin' idiot within 10 posts. There's no "friendly" atmosphere to speak of... and that's pretty sad. Pins & needles.
Are we playing 20 questions here?
After going through all the replies, I can tell what's going on but I dont know the real issue yet..
After going through all the replies, I can tell what's going on but I dont know the real issue yet..
I don't disagree with the fact that things needed changing, is that it was an extreme change from what was needed.
The hypocracy I'm referring to has to do with the fact that there are known trolls that get away with blatent troll posts. Yet because they have the words 'Elite' under their name, no mod will touch them. I once decided to post like that troll and disagree with something a mod said, and I was given a public threat that I was going to be banned. Yet the troll continues to troll.
So some are clearly exempt from the rules, while others get banned without as so much an explanation.
Now blog posts are bannable, but not all of them. Strange... this is "Offtopic" for a reason. It appears to me, some in power have decided to make AT Offtopic into their forums based on their whims. There are certain people who did deserve to go, some that didn't, and those that should but never will. Some blog threads are bad, but some are useful. Never know when a follow up post might contain useful info, but again, isn't this offtopic???
I think people (mod staff) should try to understand the demographic of posters and then place a moderating policy around it that people can read and adhere to. Other wise, I may be getting banned for this post, or my next... who knows. Just depends on who's reads this thread today.
The hypocracy I'm referring to has to do with the fact that there are known trolls that get away with blatent troll posts. Yet because they have the words 'Elite' under their name, no mod will touch them. I once decided to post like that troll and disagree with something a mod said, and I was given a public threat that I was going to be banned. Yet the troll continues to troll.
So some are clearly exempt from the rules, while others get banned without as so much an explanation.
Now blog posts are bannable, but not all of them. Strange... this is "Offtopic" for a reason. It appears to me, some in power have decided to make AT Offtopic into their forums based on their whims. There are certain people who did deserve to go, some that didn't, and those that should but never will. Some blog threads are bad, but some are useful. Never know when a follow up post might contain useful info, but again, isn't this offtopic???
I think people (mod staff) should try to understand the demographic of posters and then place a moderating policy around it that people can read and adhere to. Other wise, I may be getting banned for this post, or my next... who knows. Just depends on who's reads this thread today.
TheLonelyPhoenix
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I don't think that would work out for a place like ATOT. Mainly because the moderators act on their own opinions. While it would be nice to know what is and isn't acceptable, I find that if you have to think about it, then it probably isn't. Adding rules would only limit the moderators and put things in the gray area. Considering the small number of moderators, it's easier for them to work as a team when they have their own rules to make and bend at will, without anything being set in stone.
Frankly, this would go completely out the window if the expanded the team, because then things would be a mess and we would need a list of rules.
moshquerade
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