Did the bible predict that the Arabs would be out of control?

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Vic
apoppin: shouldn't you still in mourning for your white haired uncle Albert's passing yesterday?

To the OP: no, it didn't.
First, the account of Ishmael in the Bible is a myth. I'm not knocking the Bible, just stating the facts, that this particular story has no historical or archaeological backing, and was almost certainly first written down hundreds of years after the events were supposed to have taken place.
Second, the tie-in of Ishmael being the ancestor of the Arab people came about even later. The actual reasoning for the myth at the time of its origins was to portray the Hebrews as being chosen of God. A persistent theme from Abraham to Joseph is the ascendancy of the younger son over the elder because of the favor of God.

I think VIC is right. It seems Arabs as well as Jews, made up a lot of their history long after it had happened. Neither group really knows where they come from. And Israeli Jews i believe are closets related genetically to the Palestinian Arabs they fight, how could these two groups be totally separate.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

If you aren't going to accept logic, can you at least believe in well-formulated sentences, grammar, and punctuation? Or is that asking too much?

Edit: Wait, you're a "formal writer"? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! In what language?

English. In Ireland - so "real English". i first published in 1971; i graduated HS {Nixon's old alma mater} the year before and went off on an adventure to live in Dublin for 3 years where i became the Chess Editor for the Evening Press and several other regular publications. i helped publicize the "Blind Chess Olympics" and was on with them on their Late Show; i annotated the Boris Spassky vs. Bobby Fisher Chess match and it was published in several issues of "This Week". in September 1973, while i was still 19, i have a Cover Story in "Profile" to my credit on Skinhead gangs that drew national attention

So yeah, i can write

but you mor .. people are not worth the effort as most of you cannot comprehend more than a single thought at a time - i prefer to "fit in" as just another jerk

which i am

You "scientists" have no clue about logic, and what i deal with regularly would turn what is left of your closed minds to glue and you would sh!t yourself from fear

You cannot educate someone who knows much more than you do; you are clueless about the metaphysical universe and cannot see past the tip of your own nose

the cure for ignorance is knowledge and applied wisdom
otoh, we have found no cure for Stupidity - not in the entire universe

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Whelp, it looks like someone took a passage, drew conclusions about it that seem a bit of a stretch, then others used it to pounce on religion.

Another typical day P&N style.

Back to your favorite channel.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Whelp, it looks like someone took a passage, drew conclusions about it that seem a bit of a stretch, then others used it to pounce on religion.

Another typical day P&N style.

Back to your favorite channel.

What channel are you watching?
:Q

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apoppin: shouldn't you still in mourning for your white haired uncle Albert's passing yesterday?

Why aren't you in mourning for your lost intellect?
--i will get over losing unc pretty easily

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Whelp, it looks like someone took a passage, drew conclusions about it that seem a bit of a stretch, then others used it to pounce on religion.

Another typical day P&N style.

Back to your favorite channel.

What channel are you watching?
:Q

SHARE!

The P&N one of course.
Religion threads virtually always go south. Sometimes not, but most often so. What I'm wondering is what this thread is doing here as it's neither news or politics. I may move it to OT.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Whelp, it looks like someone took a passage, drew conclusions about it that seem a bit of a stretch, then others used it to pounce on religion.

Another typical day P&N style.

Back to your favorite channel.

What channel are you watching?
:Q

SHARE!

The P&N one of course.
Religion threads virtually always go south. Sometimes not, but most often so. What I'm wondering is what this thread is doing here as it's neither news or politics. I may move it to OT.

You don't think religion and philosophy play a part in politics?
Are you living on earth?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

How is that nihilism? More to the point, how do they directly conflict?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Whelp, it looks like someone took a passage, drew conclusions about it that seem a bit of a stretch, then others used it to pounce on religion.

Another typical day P&N style.

Back to your favorite channel.

What channel are you watching?
:Q

SHARE!

The P&N one of course.
Religion threads virtually always go south. Sometimes not, but most often so. What I'm wondering is what this thread is doing here as it's neither news or politics. I may move it to OT.

You don't think religion and philosophy play a part in politics?
Are you living on earth?

I would be glad to entertain a serious conversation on how metaphysics and philosophy influences modern politics.

I also know that this isn't that thread. I know the difference between ontology and bullshit

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

I'll see your claim of my ignorance and raise you yours.

1. Where is your evidence or proof of a god or any other creator?
2. Science has many clues about the origin of the universe but cannot replicate them nor agree as to which one(s) is the most likely. But they still exist.
3. Einstein admittedly does not make a public or verifiable private reference to his true beliefs but does appear to lean towards agnostic when it comes to a god. No so much when it comes to a soul however:

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

4. Darwin was more agnostic as well:

"I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came from and how it arose. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world. I am, also, induced to defer to a certain extent to the judgment of many able men who have fully believed in God; but here again I see how poor an argument this is. The safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect; but man can do his duty."

5. Please provide evidence of these "Fool Ape Scientists" and their religious doctrine
6. Other idiots postulate "god created" because they are unable to just say I don't know
7. My pseudo-science has been shown to be recreated and reproduced. What about yours?
8. I'm not guessing about god. I know exactly what my opinions are on the subject and have made them abundantly clear. You, on the other hand, seem to either be playing devil's advocate or are a believer. If the former, then you know you have to prove the existence because it is a logical fallacy to try to force me to prove a negative. If the latter, the same applies.
9. Thank you for no rose. It is greatly appreciated.
10. I am trained as a formal writer also. I have formally taken the P.O. Peterson Directed Handwriting Model
11. I am educated as well. It would appear that it is you that is closed minded and afraid of accepting the possibility that your beliefs could be nothing more than a fairy tale and will reject all evidence pointing to that conclusion no matter how iron clad.
12. I am not a descendant of an ape...but a member of the ape family just like every other homo-sapien that has walked this earth. Care to elaborate on where you have come from?

Yep, to OT it is.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

I'll see your claim of my ignorance and raise you yours.

1. Where is your evidence or proof of a god or any other creator?
2. Science has many clues about the origin of the universe but cannot replicate them nor agree as to which one(s) is the most likely. But they still exist.
3. Einstein admittedly does not make a public or verifiable private reference to his true beliefs but does appear to lean towards agnostic when it comes to a god. No so much when it comes to a soul however:

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

4. Darwin was more agnostic as well:

"I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came from and how it arose. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world. I am, also, induced to defer to a certain extent to the judgment of many able men who have fully believed in God; but here again I see how poor an argument this is. The safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect; but man can do his duty."

5. Please provide evidence of these "Fool Ape Scientists" and their religious doctrine
6. Other idiots postulate "god created" because they are unable to just say I don't know
7. My pseudo-science has been shown to be recreated and reproduced. What about yours?
8. I'm not guessing about god. I know exactly what my opinions are on the subject and have made them abundantly clear. You, on the other hand, seem to either be playing devil's advocate or are a believer. If the former, then you know you have to prove the existence because it is a logical fallacy to try to force me to prove a negative. If the latter, the same applies.
9. Thank you for no rose. It is greatly appreciated.
10. I am trained as a formal writer also. I have formally taken the P.O. Peterson Directed Handwriting Model
11. I am educated as well. It would appear that it is you that is closed minded and afraid of accepting the possibility that your beliefs could be nothing more than a fairy tale and will reject all evidence pointing to that conclusion no matter how iron clad.
12. I am not a descendant of an ape...but a member of the ape family just like every other homo-sapien that has walked this earth. Care to elaborate on where you have come from?

Yep, to OT it is.

Quote trimming please. HA!:laugh:

 

[Baked]

I thought LSD was invented in the 20th century?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: apoppin
You need to remember this -
-The "Bible" is "Jewish and Christian Propaganda"

it *predicts* an outcome based on the views of the descendants of Abraham - through Isaac - and his relationship with their god - Yahweh

BtW, Yahweh - "God of the Jews" is Jesus Own Father [his name was Michael pre-earth] according to scripture - and the "Other Great Competing God" are half-brothers; or conflicting views of the same God ... but the Arabs would be most offended by even the thought of it - as they say there is "One" and their father is Ishmael True Son of Abraham and Mohamed is his True Prophet .. and yet the Jews cry there is "One Yahweh" and Christians scream "He is three" - even though Arabs and Jews are both descended from Abraham through different Wives and Jesus was a Jew that gave the Promise to Outsiders.

So Jews, Arabs and Christians are all cousins and were all promised => "The Promised Land" by their "GOD" [same one; different vision] - When THEY finally figure out how to ALL co-exist peacefully [Christian/Jew/Muslim; then Yahweh/Allah/Jesus's Will is Done and the Earth will be returned to Paradise; if not, Har-mageddon and YHWH will make everything "new - and the former things will not be called into mind any more"

Actually, Michael and Lucifer are Twin brothers.
--This is all according to the Oldest Word which predates the Old Testament

so it is a family affair

Do you want to base your life on predictions from 5,000 to 2,000 years ago that are subject to interpretation 3 ways?

That is mormon doctrine and is not found in the Bible.

yeah, I seriously don't know where appoppin came up with this rhetoric.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Perry404
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Blah blah 16:11 says the following:

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16:12 Blah blah blah blah blah; blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah; blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah?

Fixed it for ya.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Perry404
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah (blah blah) and blah blah blah blah (blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.)
Blah blah blah blah blah (blah) blah blah blah blah (blah).
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Blah blah 16:11 says the following:

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16:12 Blah blah blah blah blah; blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah; blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah?

Fixed it for ya.

You said so little, but none of it makes you look any more intelligent.

 

[SlickSnake]

Googtrog says:

Is the Bible true? A short debate.

 

[slackwarelinux]

Both the Jews of being reckoned the children of Abraham.
This circumstance will account for the many romantic
legends they have grafted upon it...The Arabs, in their
version of Ishmael?s history, have mixed a great idea to
create mankind, well, then that supreme being is a bigger
picture that is self hate. So we made laws to govern our
behavior and keep the hate you have for yourself.
Surrender to the will of God. A persistent theme from
Abraham through different Wives and Jesus was a Jew that
gave the Promise to Outsiders. So Jews, Arabs and Jews are
both descended from Joktan or Qahtan, whom the present
Arabs regard as their principle founder...The ?Arabu
?l-Musta?ribah, the mixed Arabs, claim to be lost. The
form in the terms of what you eat, but your mind fasts from
things of the Big Bang Theory 2. Darwin has absolutely
zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the
Jewish and Muslim faith is key to become president, in the
Bible is a person like yourself, you just CHOOSE to be
lost.

Edit:
This thread is so incomprehensible that a computer generated response looks normal.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: apoppin
...
otoh, we have found no cure for Stupidity - not in the entire universe

The use of the word stupid is quite prevalent these days. I've wondered for some time now about the intended meaning. Is it meant to indicate a lack of native intelligence - a condition that truly can't be remedied? Or is it a lack of knowledge/education - or maybe stubborness in considering new possibilities? Or is it simply meant as an insult - a perversion of its original meaning?

 

[sandorski]

All Religions can't be equally True, but they all can be equally False. Even if there was a "god", I'd still assume the latter.

 

[fstime]

To all the ignorant people out there, evolution and religion CAN co-exist, in fact, many priests/pastors/whatever ACCEPT the theory of evolution without a problem. It is only the ignorant religious people that say the two cannot co-exist.

The bible is full of metaphors, not everything should be taken into text, some people are complaing saying, how the hell did I come from dirt, or how is someone supposed to walk on water. Maybe if you thought about it for a second, you will understand the meaning.

I guess the religious wackos and atheist nutjobs ruin it for the rest of us and make us all look bad in the end.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
To all the ignorant people out there, evolution and religion CAN co-exist, in fact, many priests/pastors/whatever ACCEPT the theory of evolution without a problem. It is only the ignorant religious people that say the two cannot co-exist.

The bible is full of metaphors, not everything should be taken into text, some people are complaing saying, how the hell did I come from dirt, or how is someone supposed to walk on water. Maybe if you thought about it for a second, you will understand the meaning.

I guess the religious wackos and atheist nutjobs ruin it for the rest of us and make us all look bad in the end.

QFT

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: sandorski
All Religions can't be equally True, but they all can be equally False. Even if there was a "god", I'd still assume the latter.

I disagree; since the basic tenet of all religions is faith and since faith is defined as believing in something without proof: therefore all religions can be true!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: sandorski
All Religions can't be equally True, but they all can be equally False. Even if there was a "god", I'd still assume the latter.

I disagree; since the basic tenet of all religions is faith and since faith is defined as believing in something without proof: therefore all religions can be true!

Only to the Individual. In the grander scheme Truth is Truth, not perception of truth by Individuals.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: BouZouki
To all the ignorant people out there, evolution and religion CAN co-exist, in fact, many priests/pastors/whatever ACCEPT the theory of evolution without a problem. It is only the ignorant religious people that say the two cannot co-exist.

The bible is full of metaphors, not everything should be taken into text, some people are complaing saying, how the hell did I come from dirt, or how is someone supposed to walk on water. Maybe if you thought about it for a second, you will understand the meaning.

I guess the religious wackos and atheist nutjobs ruin it for the rest of us and make us all look bad in the end.

QFT

Uh, no. Of course the bible is full of metaphors, loads of it was made up (aside from the historical figures and true geographical locations). It was a bunch of ignorant people trying to explain creation and the world around them by turning to a supernatural being that they created.

The atheist "nut jobs" you speak of simply recognize this fact. Why would I want to read a book full of fables and myths? Talk about a waste of time. If I want history, I'll read one of the many non-fiction ancient history books that are available.

 

[Crono]

I just studied this passage in-depth 2 weeks ago. To answer the question of the OP, the Bible says in that Genesis does say that the Arabs (descendants of Ishmael) would be "wild" in the sense that they would be fighting against many nations and peoples, and that many nations and peoples would be fighting against them. And it's true, as countless wars and violence has been committed by (and against) them over centuries. This, while it is very interesting prophecy, is not the limit of the prophecies (in the future sense of the word) that have been fulfilled, and will be fulfilled in the future.

 

[Caveman]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: BouZouki
To all the ignorant people out there, evolution and religion CAN co-exist, in fact, many priests/pastors/whatever ACCEPT the theory of evolution without a problem. It is only the ignorant religious people that say the two cannot co-exist.

The bible is full of metaphors, not everything should be taken into text, some people are complaing saying, how the hell did I come from dirt, or how is someone supposed to walk on water. Maybe if you thought about it for a second, you will understand the meaning.

I guess the religious wackos and atheist nutjobs ruin it for the rest of us and make us all look bad in the end.

QFT

Uh, no. Of course the bible is full of metaphors, loads of it was made up (aside from the historical figures and true geographical locations). It was a bunch of ignorant people trying to explain creation and the world around them by turning to a supernatural being that they created.

The atheist "nut jobs" you speak of simply recognize this fact. Why would I want to read a book full of fables and myths? Talk about a waste of time. If I want history, I'll read one of the many non-fiction ancient history books that are available.

Uh, no. To be blunt, if you truly believe what you wrote, you must have more "faith" than the religious wackos. The ideas you are espousing are based on ignorance of what the bible is, and accepted to be, within circles of scholarship. This is not to say that those scholars "understand" the implications... But they do at least understand the pedigree and accuracy.