Did the bible predict that the Arabs would be out of control?

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

No, what each and every religion is is WRONG, not right, all man made, all god of the gaps that have been backing up since the dawn of advanced science and eventually, we'll not have to have a god to explain ANYTHING.

But there will always be young earth creationists who will fight to keep their own children ignorant, stupid is as stupid does.

Though while in the US, faith is key to become president, in the UK, it's a personal thing and never mentioned by any aspiring politician, i mean, anyone who believes that a snake told a woman made from a rib that she should eat an apple and thus gain knowledge and be kicked out of Gods garden has to understand that he needs help by a gang of therapists.

Yeah, Barak, George and Hillary, i'm talking about you.

How do you know YOU are right?

perhaps it IS metaphysical ..

-you even wrongly believe and claim that Ishmael and Issac have the same mothers - they do NOT ! - they share only the same Father Abraham

Do you really want me to smack you around when it comes to evolution, AGAIN?

To the best of our knowledge is all we know, that is what i go by, not some made up shit with talking snakes and magical beings making magical shit like walking on water.

Either you give up your common sense for faith or you remain a thinking human being, there is nothing in between when it comes to this shit, if you believe that some being suddenly, after infinity thought it would be a great idea to create mankind, well, then that supreme being is a fucking retard.

Even according to the KJV of Genesis, Sarah was the legal mother of Ishmael, the bullshit story says he wasn't though, but this is the interesting part because the DIVIDE (and read carefully what i stated in my first post) started because of this, not because they had different mothers (both semite) but because ... well, we just need a reason to hate, that's why.

i eat evolutionists for breakfast,
i have access to older writings than you do.
--If you think "god suddenly created".
You are also a fool

strict believers in Spontaneous Generation are deluded fools with faith in their Pseudo Science worse than any false religion

and Sarah was the mother of Isaac - her ONLY son
- she was "legal guardian" of Ishmael as Hagar was HER slave

Wait... i thought Hagar was the concubine?

You don't know your head from your arse and you never have.

And if it pleases you to deny evolution, go right ahead, no one will ever care but you and perhaps your poor children if you intend to raise them to become ignorant.

Shit like science and what we know doesn't really matter when you talk to a person like yourself, you just CHOOSE to be ignorant even while you KNOW better.

I'm going to Pakistan, i'll be back in a week or so.

Miss you .. take an extra long vacation - btw, head for the hills, they are looking for recruits for completely unthinking and unreasonable tools; you will fit right in
;

Hagar was a concubine .. and a slave of Sarah - it is SO clear to all but illiterates
you really have no clue

You got a Bible .. follow along from Gen Ch 16 vs 1:

Sarah - according to ALL the stories was OLD and barren .. she gave her maidservant as a Concubine to her husband Abraham so they could have kids. After Hagar had Ismael Sarah dispised her and Hagar ran away [vs 4-6] Later - a few years later - Sarah conceived and she had Isaac in her really old age and tossed out the servant Hagar and her kid, Ishmael {Gensis 21: 1-13}

well, the Arabs never forgave the Jews for what the Mother of the Jews did

read it for yourself Ignorant One - perhaps your memory is shot
- i just read it again - twice

 

[ebaycj]

Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
+ Arguing about the Bible's meaning is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
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Arguing about the Bible's meaning on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I agree that Religion can get in the way. Mans traditions get in his way all to often. The reason Man does this is because he thinks it "pleases God" and shall acquire some sort of reward for his obedience. Pleasing God in terms that Man understands because thats all he's been taught (traditions). Jesus gives us an example of this when walking through the corn field and picks one to eat on the Sabbath Day. Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the Law. How could this be? He just ate corn on one of the Jewish holy days which is seen as blasphemy. This was a parable for others to interpret. He was showing that traditions of Man are silly. The Sabbath day was not a day to "fast" in the terms of what you eat, but your mind fasts from things of the world.

Science & Mathematics are two area's in history (and presently - cloning) where Mans traditions have gotten in the way of human evolution. Yes I said evolution. Atheists (or none believers) believe that Man evolved from other lesser organisms which slowly evolved into humans as we are now. I agree with this. Christianity believes that God's Word spoke it into being and so it was. I agree with this. Yes I believe both are correct. To me, no matter which "side" you're on, there is some truth in both sides and the total truth lies in the middle.

Agree with me or not it doesn't matter. I won't use it against you as a weapon. I lost one of my best friends (over 20yrs of friendship) to Religion. We were talking one day about what we believed and we were far apart on just about everything. From our differences he decided that I was a "devil" or that I had a "demon" and that we were to talk no more. Well its been 4yrs and we haven't spoken. Calvinism is just one of many.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
+ Arguing about the Bible's meaning is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
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Arguing about the Bible's meaning on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

So what does it make you for contributing to a Religious thread?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
+ Arguing about the Bible's meaning is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
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Arguing about the Bible's meaning on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

I guess you would be in the special olympics since you appear to know nothing about religion or the bible

sadly, you would then appear to be retarded - either way

Look - don't be smug - *you* are also posting here and didn't even contribute to the thread

Agree with me or not it doesn't matter. I won't use it against you as a weapon. I lost one of my best friends (over 20yrs of friendship) to Religion. We were talking one day about what we believed and we were far apart on just about everything. From our differences he decided that I was a "devil" or that I had a "demon" and that we were to talk no more. Well its been 4yrs and we haven't spoken. Calvinism is just one of many.

*Radical DUDE!!*

My mother views me the same way {she is JW!! and i am "demonized"; i love her and hate her choice; she loves me and hates my choice and "prays i will change"} .. yet our extremely conflicting "religions" do not get in our way and - aside from religion; which we still would discuss - we are best friends!

i think it depends on personal tolerance - i am extraordinarily open-minded and believe it is all "according to will" - ours in balance with others

 

[sandorski]

According to some(mostly dead now) the Bible also states that Africans(Negroids) were to Serve Europeans(Caucasoids). Frankly I don't give a damn what it says on these things, it is just plain Immoral in parts.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sandorski
According to some(mostly dead now) the Bible also states that Africans(Negroids) were to Serve Europeans(Caucasoids). Frankly I don't give a damn what it says on these things, it is just plain Immoral in parts.

The Bible is even more MISS - Quoted than i am

There is no basis for that bigoted view - for "god created out of one man all races" .. and it says he "is not partial"

Ouch!! - 1 am PST .. i am up in 5 hours for work!!

don't say it hasn't been fun
--because it truly hasn't
-aloha

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: sandorski
According to some(mostly dead now) the Bible also states that Africans(Negroids) were to Serve Europeans(Caucasoids). Frankly I don't give a damn what it says on these things, it is just plain Immoral in parts.

People have abused all types of religious faiths for years to suit their purposes, and continue to do so today (think GWB). This is not a fault of the religious belief- it is a fault of the abuser. Unfortunately, Christianity seems to be the politicians' tool in the most recent years and some horrible atrocities in the past. There is no room for abuse in the teachings of Christ.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

 

[spittledip]

How perfect for a fairy tale! A Troll! ^^^^

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
...
I lost one of my best friends (over 20yrs of friendship) to Religion. ...

Similar experience. Lost best friend from high school to church of christ. Ironically, he got involved with coc while at cincinnati conservatory of music. coc hates music. What a waste. Discussions went nowhere when responses to my arguments became circular - "you just have to have faith". Pitiful. Thanks religion...

 

[RightIsWrong]

All I know is that the Bible made many predictions based on two things:

1. Generalities so vague that almost any event could conceivably be seen as "prophecy"
2. The human condition - greed, fear and the lust for power

Oh, I should also add that I loved Hagar's work with Montrose

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: sandorski
According to some(mostly dead now) the Bible also states that Africans(Negroids) were to Serve Europeans(Caucasoids). Frankly I don't give a damn what it says on these things, it is just plain Immoral in parts.

People have abused all types of religious faiths for years to suit their purposes, and continue to do so today (think GWB). This is not a fault of the religious belief- it is a fault of the abuser. Unfortunately, Christianity seems to be the politicians' tool in the most recent years and some horrible atrocities in the past. There is no room for abuse in the teachings of Christ.

it IS the fault of Organized Religion - look at Revelation, if you have the insight to read it. Organized Religion is a Whore that is a "queen above the kings of the Earth" and she presents herself to be USED by politics - they kings are glad to use religion also to promote their rule

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

 

[palehorse]

It's nice to see that your ancient book of fables is so timeless and useful... :roll:

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Neither Arab nor Jew will dispute this.

I (jew) dispute any of this happened any more than those kids went into an English wardrobe and came out in fantasyland.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's nice to see that your ancient book of fables is so timeless and useful... :roll:

it is NOT *my* book
*i* don't believe it

i just understand it and can explain it

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: spittledip
Seems like a prediction to me... There are alot more predictions where that one came from. And some more to come too. Things like scarcity of food and stuff like that. fun times.

and Yahweh is the Father, not 2 different Gods just in case you wanted to know. And most Arabs would claim that the God of the Bible is the God of the Quran. What would be offensive to them is if you suggested that Allah had a brother or that there was a God other than Allah.

you realize that food scarcities have been the norm for the entirety of human history right?

It's like predicting the sun will set.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: sandorski
According to some(mostly dead now) the Bible also states that Africans(Negroids) were to Serve Europeans(Caucasoids). Frankly I don't give a damn what it says on these things, it is just plain Immoral in parts.

People have abused all types of religious faiths for years to suit their purposes, and continue to do so today (think GWB). This is not a fault of the religious belief- it is a fault of the abuser. Unfortunately, Christianity seems to be the politicians' tool in the most recent years and some horrible atrocities in the past. There is no room for abuse in the teachings of Christ.

it IS the fault of Organized Religion - look at Revelation, if you have the insight to read it. Organized Religion is a Whore that is a "queen above the kings of the Earth" and she presents herself to be USED by politics - they kings are glad to use religion also to promote their rule

Read my post again. I never said anythign about organized religion. I spoke only of the teachings themselves. The teachings have been twisted as a means to accomplish criminal acts by rallying a group of people with the twisted teachings. The teachings, taken as they are, could never inspire such things unless misunderstood (i.e., ignorance) or taken out of context. For this I can only speak of Biblical teachings.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's nice to see that your ancient book of fables is so timeless and useful... :roll:

it is NOT *my* book
*i* don't believe it

i just understand it and can explain it

I was replying to the OP...

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spittledip
Seems like a prediction to me... There are alot more predictions where that one came from. And some more to come too. Things like scarcity of food and stuff like that. fun times.

and Yahweh is the Father, not 2 different Gods just in case you wanted to know. And most Arabs would claim that the God of the Bible is the God of the Quran. What would be offensive to them is if you suggested that Allah had a brother or that there was a God other than Allah.

you realize that food scarcities have been the norm for the entirety of human history right?

It's like predicting the sun will set.

Yes, I realize that scarcity of food is nothing new. However, this will be something new perhaps. Scale and longevity.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: apoppin
...
i know about "god" ,, you are guessing
...

ding, ding, ding - everybody is guessing. And the guesses are as correct as discussing the personality of a favorite teddy bear.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
All I know is that the Bible made many predictions based on two things:

1. Generalities so vague that almost any event could conceivably be seen as "prophecy"
2. The human condition - greed, fear and the lust for power

Oh, I should also add that I loved Hagar's work with Montrose

If there were 10 prophecies I would agree with you. And if the prophecies were really just generalities, you would have a point. So many prophecies coincide with one another and had to do with the same events,as well as different facets of the events that it moves it beyond generalities. And to say that all the prophecies were about the human condition is to ignore a great majority of prophecies that were about Christ as well as other historical events.