Did the bible predict that the Arabs would be out of control?

[SoundTheSurrender]

Arabs are the way they are due to the treatment they got from outsiders and American foreign policy..

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: apoppin
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i know about "god" ,, you are guessing
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ding, ding, ding - everybody is guessing. And the guesses are as correct as discussing the personality of a favorite teddy bear.

excellent

as long as the "scientists" and "creationists" will agree

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Arabs are the way they are due to the treatment they got from outsiders and American foreign policy..

OK, you owe me a new sarcasm meter.... i think... ?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
All I know is that the Bible made many predictions based on two things:

1. Generalities so vague that almost any event could conceivably be seen as "prophecy"
2. The human condition - greed, fear and the lust for power

Oh, I should also add that I loved Hagar's work with Montrose

If there were 10 prophecies I would agree with you. And if the prophecies were really just generalities, you would have a point. So many prophecies coincide with one another and had to do with the same events,as well as different facets of the events that it moves it beyond generalities. And to say that all the prophecies were about the human condition is to ignore a great majority of prophecies that were about Christ as well as other historical events.

Does that make Nostradamus a prophet then also? He has had as many "accurate" predictions as the bible has.

As for the prophecies about Christ, those are opinion and dogma and not fact. I would think the fact that Jesus is only believed to be the son of God (who also has never been proven to exist) negates any semblance of accuracy related to those.

You will have to be more specific about which historical events you are referring to for me to form a rebuttal to that statement. If you were talking about events that had passed prior to the writing of the bible, then those aren't prophecies, they are historical accounts.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Perry404
Neither Arab nor Jew will dispute this.

I (jew) dispute any of this happened any more than those kids went into an English wardrobe and came out in fantasyland.

Ok then most "religious" Jews & Arabs.

 

[Vic]

apoppin: shouldn't you still in mourning for your white haired uncle Albert's passing yesterday?

To the OP: no, it didn't.
First, the account of Ishmael in the Bible is a myth. I'm not knocking the Bible, just stating the facts, that this particular story has no historical or archaeological backing, and was almost certainly first written down hundreds of years after the events were supposed to have taken place.
Second, the tie-in of Ishmael being the ancestor of the Arab people came about even later. The actual reasoning for the myth at the time of its origins was to portray the Hebrews as being chosen of God. A persistent theme from Abraham to Joseph is the ascendancy of the younger son over the elder because of the favor of God.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You need to remember this -
-The "Bible" is "Jewish and Christian Propaganda"

it *predicts* an outcome based on the views of the descendants of Abraham - through Isaac - and his relationship with their god - Yahweh

BtW, Yahweh - "God of the Jews" is Jesus Own Father [his name was Michael pre-earth] according to scripture - and the "Other Great Competing God" are half-brothers; or conflicting views of the same God ... but the Arabs would be most offended by even the thought of it - as they say there is "One" and their father is Ishmael True Son of Abraham and Mohamed is his True Prophet .. and yet the Jews cry there is "One Yahweh" and Christians scream "He is three" - even though Arabs and Jews are both descended from Abraham through different Wives and Jesus was a Jew that gave the Promise to Outsiders.

So Jews, Arabs and Christians are all cousins and were all promised => "The Promised Land" by their "GOD" [same one; different vision] - When THEY finally figure out how to ALL co-exist peacefully [Christian/Jew/Muslim; then Yahweh/Allah/Jesus's Will is Done and the Earth will be returned to Paradise; if not, Har-mageddon and YHWH will make everything "new - and the former things will not be called into mind any more"

Actually, Michael and Lucifer are Twin brothers.
--This is all according to the Oldest Word which predates the Old Testament

so it is a family affair

Do you want to base your life on predictions from 5,000 to 2,000 years ago that are subject to interpretation 3 ways?

thanks for the laugh!!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Both the Jews and the Arabs attribute their lineage to Abraham.

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Neither Arab nor Jew will dispute this.

Encyclopedia of Islam Myths: Arabs are not descendants of Ishmael!

1. "Arabian literature has its own version of prehistoric times, but it is entirely legendary." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 2:176)

2. "there is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition it would have to be explained how all memory of the Old Semitic name Ishmael (which was not in its true Arabian form in Arabian inscriptions and written correctly with an initial consonant Y) came to be lost. The form in the Quran is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources." (Islam, Alfred Guillaume, 1956, p 26-27, 61-62)

3. The first positive reference to the Arabians extant occurs in an inscription of the Assyrian, Shalmaneser III, who speaks of the capture of a thousand camels from Gindibu, the Arabian, in 854 B.C. (Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21)

4. According to Muslim tradition, God told Abraham to begin the rite of pilgrimage to Becca (now Mecca). In a rite called tawaf, Arab pilgrims from time immemorial circled the stone counterclockwise seven times and ran seven times between the two promontories in memory of Hagar's seven passages. The historicity of this Abrahamic tradition is difficult to confirm; the first verifiable reference to the Arab people occurs in an inscription of Shalmanezer III dated 853 BC. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397)

5. "The pure Arabs are those who claim to be descended from Joktan or Qahtan, whom the present Arabs regard as their principle founder...The ?Arabu ?l-Musta?ribah, the mixed Arabs, claim to be descended from Ishmael.they boast as much as the Jews of being reckoned the children of Abraham. This circumstance will account for the preference with which they uniformly regard this branch of their pedigree, and for the many romantic legends they have grafted upon it...The Arabs, in their version of Ishmael?s history, have mixed a great deal of romance with the narrative of Scripture." (A Dictionary of Islam, pgs. 18-19)

6. "Muhammad was not informed about the family of Abraham." (Encyclopedia of Islam) I: 184. See also pages 544-546.

7. "There is a prevalent notion that the Arabs, both of the south and north, are descended from Ishmael; and the passage in Gen. xvi.12, "he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren," is often cited as if it were a prediction of that national independence which, upon the whole, the Arabs have maintained more than any other people. But this supposition is founded on a misconception of the original Hebrew, which runs literally, "he shall before the faces of all his brethren," i.e., (according to the idiom above explained, in which "before the face" denotes the east), the habitation of his posterity shall be "to the east" of the settlements of Abraham?s? other descendants...These prophecies found their accomplishment in the fact of the sons of Ishmael being located, generally speaking to the east of the other descendants of Abraham, whether of Sara or of Ketuah. But the idea of the southern Arabs being of the posterity of Ishmael is entirely without foundation, and seems to have originated in the tradition invented by Arab vanity that they, as well as the Jews, are of the seed of Abraham--a vanity which, besides disfiguring and falsifying the whole history of the patriarch and his son Ishmael, has transferred the scene of it from Palestine to Mecca." (McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, (Vol. I:339)

8. In the Qur?an, "Gen. 21.17-21...are identified with Mecca." (The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, p. 193). It also states that the Southern Arabs come from Qahtan, not Ishmael (p. 48).

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Religion LOL

this thread LOL

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

No, what each and every religion is is WRONG, not right, all man made, all god of the gaps that have been backing up since the dawn of advanced science and eventually, we'll not have to have a god to explain ANYTHING.

But there will always be young earth creationists who will fight to keep their own children ignorant, stupid is as stupid does.

Though while in the US, faith is key to become president, in the UK, it's a personal thing and never mentioned by any aspiring politician, i mean, anyone who believes that a snake told a woman made from a rib that she should eat an apple and thus gain knowledge and be kicked out of Gods garden has to understand that he needs help by a gang of therapists.

Yeah, Barak, George and Hillary, i'm talking about you.

Well, in my opinion, the Biblical creation myth contains very important allusions to what I think actually happened to humanity. I see the Garden of Eden representing the pre language state of the human ape, the time when what one experienced was only the here and the now, undivided and perfect, because there was no abstraction of thought possible
with which to analyze it. All that was just was. No language existed to separate one thing from another, and no words existed which could accumulate emotional baggage. (But soon we were to get way way tooooo much fucken baggage) With the advent of language the capacity to think and analyze was born, the ability to attach meaning to things and to compare, and what we did was invent good and evil and compare one child to another with that. We taught out children that they could be bad and instead of seeing that the action was bad we felt it meant us. We were thrown out of the perfection of a unified self by the capacity to remember knowledge and what we learned was that we are evil. And because we can feel pain to a massive degree we suffered. And it's impossible to survive feeling all that pain so we repressed it and became unconscious divided beings, unaware that part of ourselves that is self hate.

So we made laws to govern our behavior and keep the hate in check but law couldn't save us so Jesus said our self hate is an illusion that will disappear if you'll have faith. You are forgiven for your sins if you'll believe it because there is no sin.

But they killed that bastard and his good news because nobody is going to tell the ego it needs forgiving for sins that aren't even real.

So Mohamed brought back the law and commanded we forgive. Do what is right and don't hold grudges because the hate you feel for others is the hate you have for yourself. Surrender to the will of God. Live by shrinking your ego. Nothing is your will. All is His Will. Everything is absolutely perfect and what has to be. Relax and be happy. Put down your baggage.

 

[yours truly]

getting confused here, if sarah couldnt conceive, how did the jews come from her lineage

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[RightIsWrong]

Almost sounds like you read the Julian Jaynes' "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" book that I recommended Moonie.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
getting confused here, if sarah couldnt conceive, how did the jews come from her lineage

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Apparently the emotional distress of giving her husband a slave to have a child by worked up enough hormones to get her to ovulate and viola, what wouldn't happen before, did, or perhaps all the exercise her husband was getting boosted his sperm count.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
getting confused here, if sarah couldnt conceive, how did the jews come from her lineage

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She couldn't conceive but God promised Abraham she would conceive and she finally did in her old age. Abraham did not believe God so he slept with Hagar so that he might have children.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Almost sounds like you read the Julian Jaynes' "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" book that I recommended Moonie.

Not so sure. I knew and maybe read about that stuff way back somewhere, and refreshed myself on it when you suggested it. But I don't know if it's right or not and don't think it's the same think because it's about a state of consciousness he claims belonged to people who already had language. Could be part of some the transitional phase though.

But is is very clear that we have two separate hemispheres and each is a person to a large degree and each side of the brain has different specializations. I think the balance that apoppin refers to, his business of the male and the female gods and goddesses is related to a higher functioning possible by using and appreciating both sides of the brain.

I remember, one time, thinking deeply about something and those thoughts, associating one thing with another as they do, lead somewhere unpleasant, and bamb, I found myself already well along in thinking about some entirely different subject as if I were two different people, but what brought it to focus was the fact that the light bulb I happened to be staring at when I was thinking actually jumped at the same point. The image of the bulb I saw switched from that image presented on the two halves of my retina that feed one half of my brain to the image in the other.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

Nihilistic? Not at all. Everything is for a reason and has a meaning. The question is, can you look past your preconceptions about life and religion to find the truth?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

Nihilistic? Not at all. Everything is for a reason and has a meaning. The question is, can you look past your preconceptions about life and religion to find the truth?

Scoorb is right, I think. They can't be all right if there is one truth and they differ on what it is.

But it is possible there is a deeper truth that when understood illuminates and integrates the various points of view. Liberals, for example want to help the poor with tax dollars and conservatives say government screws things up, wastes money, and makes people dependent. But if you know that people hate themselves and resent the people who help them because it makes them feel their need and the feelings of worthlessness they engender, you help people without them knowing it. You can help them by reinforcing feelings of worth for positive steps taken. You could, for example, maybe say, I need all the garbage I can find for a project I'm doing and will pay for any you bring. Then if people clean up all the garbage they can find where they live they do something for themselves they get payed for and have a better place to live and they think it's you who is the fool. They get a win win win. Or you could buy somebody's house that's a run down mess and pay them to fix it first. Then you could declare bankruptcy and go out of business leaving them with the house.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

Nihilistic? Not at all. Everything is for a reason and has a meaning. The question is, can you look past your preconceptions about life and religion to find the truth?

Scoorb is right, I think. They can't be all right if there is one truth and they differ on what it is.

I know its not easy to understand so if you don't its no big deal. Each religion is right in what they believe God to be. For example, if one religion believes that you must do something to gain favor with God, they're right. Belief is a powerful thing. As you believe , so it is.

Let me try a different angle. Lets say God is a diamond. To this diamond there are thousands of sides. Each side represents what one religion or race of people think God is. All of them are right from their perspective. It is the truth from what they say and understand. Yet there is a bigger picture that is not seen because of Mans preconceived ideas and bias. It is not easy to see the whole diamond because you have to lay down all that you thought to be true and question it.

I hope you can grasp this, if not it doesn't change what I think of you moonie. You're the most enlightened person I have ran into on these boards.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

If you aren't going to accept logic, can you at least believe in well-formulated sentences, grammar, and punctuation? Or is that asking too much?

Edit: Wait, you're a "formal writer"? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! In what language?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

If you aren't going to accept logic, can you at least believe in well-formulated sentences, grammar, and punctuation? Or is that asking too much?

Edit: Wait, you're a "formal writer"? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! In what language?

People whine about apoppin and turn around and whine about sheeple. New organs of perception appear with need. He just ups our need. Self hate demands conformity, no. Step out of line as a child and wham! The odd ball is very scary because if you get too close disaster may strike like it did long ago.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
What some may not understand is that each religion is right. Those people from different races & customs interpreted God as they knew or thought of Him. I know it may not be easy to grasp. Allah is the same as the Christian God or the "trinity" as some believe. God is not exclusive but all inclusive.

Typical nihilistic nonsense. They cannot be all right if they directly conflict. There is only one truth.

Nihilistic? Not at all. Everything is for a reason and has a meaning. The question is, can you look past your preconceptions about life and religion to find the truth?

Scoorb is right, I think. They can't be all right if there is one truth and they differ on what it is.

I know its not easy to understand so if you don't its no big deal. Each religion is right in what they believe God to be. For example, if one religion believes that you must do something to gain favor with God, they're right. Belief is a powerful thing. As you believe , so it is.

Let me try a different angle. Lets say God is a diamond. To this diamond there are thousands of sides. Each side represents what one religion or race of people think God is. All of them are right from their perspective. It is the truth from what they say and understand. Yet there is a bigger picture that is not seen because of Mans preconceived ideas and bias. It is not easy to see the whole diamond because you have to lay down all that you thought to be true and question it.

I hope you can grasp this, if not it doesn't change what I think of you moonie. You're the most enlightened person I have ran into on these boards.

Yes, I think I said what you are saying from a different facet. What is right for one faith is wrong for another. A monk opens a door in his heart, the yogi in his mind and the fakir one in the body. They speak a different language but can go to the same place.

Religion is a bridge to a diamond and once you arrive at the diamond the religion is just a bridge, no better or worse than any other except for the traffic it bears. Is that the right bears?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: apoppin

Hahahahaha, you're actually having an argument about whose fairy tale is the correct one? Holy crap.

How about *your fantasy* of Spontaneous Generation
- it is beyond unreasoning stupidity and there is ZERO "science" involved in postulating it nor has it is ever been demonstrated! - yet your own Stupid religion with the Prophet Darwin's Nonsense is embraced by yuor own idiotic and dogmatic community - without any proof simply because you "don't like the IDEA of God"

Get real; spontaneous generation supporters are MORE ignorant than any god-based religion

So much ignorance in a single sentence.

1. There is science in favor of the Big Bang Theory
2. Darwin has absolutely zero to do with any discussion on the creation of the universe
3. You rail against "ZERO "science"" favoring spontaneous generation while providing absolutely ZERO "science" to even hint that there is proof of a creator -- Pot, meet kettle
4. Religion is nothing but dogma
5. Yet another example of hypocrisy is shown in your attack against other not liking the idea of a God when it is the other way around. You don't like the idea that there it is very much more likely that you are being duped and there isn't a God and you don't want to see the evidence to refute it because then you will have to admit that you have been had.


P.S. -- just a request...please format your posts in a manner that isn't so freaking annoying. The use of roses in what seems every post is also a bit overboard and aggravating.

and yet you replied with even more ignorance

there is Zero scientific support for Spontaneous Generation

Science has NO CLUE about the origin of the Universe - nor where the energy nor matter "came from - originally"

Smart scientists say they don't know - like Einstein who saw an Ordered Mind of sorts

Fool Ape "human" Scientists - think Planet of the Apes - set up their own Godless Religion - and their PROPHET is Darwin
Darwin probably believed in god

other idiots postulated SG an an ALTERNATIVE to "god created"

Your Pseudo-Science is *Dogma* based on hypocrisy and "peer review" by fellow moronic apes

i know about "god" ,, you are guessing

One thing you are right about - your silly post does not deserve a "rose"; i can easily change my "formatting" for i am trained as a formal writer
-otoh you cannot educate yourself because you like ignorance and prefer "godless" - it suits .. you are definitely descended from apes; i have zero doubt about that
:roll:

I'll see your claim of my ignorance and raise you yours.

1. Where is your evidence or proof of a god or any other creator?
2. Science has many clues about the origin of the universe but cannot replicate them nor agree as to which one(s) is the most likely. But they still exist.
3. Einstein admittedly does not make a public or verifiable private reference to his true beliefs but does appear to lean towards agnostic when it comes to a god. No so much when it comes to a soul however:

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

4. Darwin was more agnostic as well:

"I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came from and how it arose. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world. I am, also, induced to defer to a certain extent to the judgment of many able men who have fully believed in God; but here again I see how poor an argument this is. The safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect; but man can do his duty."

5. Please provide evidence of these "Fool Ape Scientists" and their religious doctrine
6. Other idiots postulate "god created" because they are unable to just say I don't know
7. My pseudo-science has been shown to be recreated and reproduced. What about yours?
8. I'm not guessing about god. I know exactly what my opinions are on the subject and have made them abundantly clear. You, on the other hand, seem to either be playing devil's advocate or are a believer. If the former, then you know you have to prove the existence because it is a logical fallacy to try to force me to prove a negative. If the latter, the same applies.
9. Thank you for no rose. It is greatly appreciated.
10. I am trained as a formal writer also. I have formally taken the P.O. Peterson Directed Handwriting Model
11. I am educated as well. It would appear that it is you that is closed minded and afraid of accepting the possibility that your beliefs could be nothing more than a fairy tale and will reject all evidence pointing to that conclusion no matter how iron clad.
12. I am not a descendant of an ape...but a member of the ape family just like every other homo-sapien that has walked this earth. Care to elaborate on where you have come from?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

2 men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong - Mark Knopfler

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
2 men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong - Mark Knopfler

Yup, Mexicans kill themselves by the millions over that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
2 men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong - Mark Knopfler

Yup, Mexicans kill themselves by the millions over that.

And good cheese comes from Wisconsin and Vermont.