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Did Rudy Giuliani try to have sex with a 15 year-old??

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I guess my prior question might not have been clear upon re-reading. I was wondering if the setup allowed for the fact that she may have been presented as an underage, high school reporter prior to the shirt tucking.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Again, was asking if the person assumed she was over age when she wasn't. Just that one question.
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Not sure why that's relevant. It wouldn't go well for a white person either.

[DHT]Osiris said:
My opinion is, ask yourself if 'she said she was a reporter, I assumed she was over 17' would work for a black man in front of a judge/jury. That might provide some guidance in this case.
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It would work for a black man in front of a jury if the circumstances were the exact same: a reporter assumed to be over 18 really was over 18.

As far as we know, she never claimed to be younger. Nothing SBC screamed after the fact matters so Rudy's assumption would be justified and correct. It will be very interesting to find out otherwise, of course.

FWIW, I can't wait to see this movie tomorrow, BTW. 🙂 MUCH EXCITE! Re-watched the first Borat on Amazon last night. Was a blast!
 
The only Age we know about was "Borat" crashing in with the "15" comment. I don't think there was intention to Frame anyone, it was a Practical Joke. It should make everyone concerned about how easily someone can be compromised.
 
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I saw a bit of a longer clip. It certainly could be Giuliani tucking in his shirt. Why he was lying back on the bed and in the bedroom in the first place is a bigger issue IMO.
 
There's ~3 minutes of this scene on YouTube right now.

Really the only issue here is the extraordinarily bad judgement he continues to demonstrate. There's no indication he should think she's 15 (and she certainly does not look it to me), and the shirt tucking looks like, well, shirt tucking. Particularly when it immediately followed her pulling off his microphone. I'm no fan of him or his master but this is nothing but a moderately funny practical joke played on someone who is too dangerously gullible to be allowed that close to a president.

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Had some funny parts but it definitely can't recapture the magic of the first... and I don't just mean that people recognize him so it's harder to fool them. Some of the best stuff in the first didn't involve fooling people... like how he an Azamat are super apprehensive about the escalator and he assumes the toilet is for cleaning his face. I guffawed loudly near the end when he threw his bag down and we hear a "bah-gawk!" added in post, reminding us that he carries livestock around in his luggage (calling back to the subway scene).

Love that they were able to pivot and incorporate the pandemic and lockdown in the story. Rudy was definitely tucking his shirt after she removed his mic, which was wired under his shirt. You can even see a big lump of shirt on the left (Rudy's right) getting pushed down. A lot of stuff was clearly added in post where you will see SBC say something with Rudy out of the frame and then they will splice a clip of what is supposed to be a reaction, but it clearly wasn't since you see the exact same reaction repeat in response to something else: Same reaction to the comment about cousins as when they ask him to say something into the mic. Even the sound check question was added in post, since his response was "Yeah, I'm good."

There's a faked shot that presumes to show what Rudy saw in a book but you can see that they cut to a pick-up shot of some other old white person's hands. Good attention to detail since they replicated the mask bunched up in his hand but you can see the number of buttons on his sleeve change (four straight to three sloppily stiched-on buttons) and the round ring on his left hand gets replaced with one that has a flat, rectangular face. Point is, Rudy likely didn't see any of that.

If you can't see BOTH people in the frame AND their mouths, you can't trust any of the audio. ADR aplenty here... and much of it is obvious.

The whole thing is kind of a plot hole though since "Borat" puts on a disguise while on the way there for no reason.

I will say that Rudy doth protest too much. It would've gone much better for him if he had embraced it and explained that it was clearly edited. I guess he was pushing back without even seeing it.

The ending was a big plot hole too, involving the use of technology in a place that they established earlier in the movie would not have the supporting infrastructure. Even their leader is unaware of the tech.
 
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I watched the movie last weekend and I thought that the articles that came about this all before the movie came out made it much worse than it was in the movie.

And I hate to say it, but as weird as it looked and I've never seen or heard of anyone else doing it, but it did in fact look like he was trying to tuck in his shirt while lying down.
 
This is bizarre. When Maria seemingly invites Rudy to the bedroom with "Shall we have a drink in the bedroom?," they show her ahead of Rudy and then cut to a shot of Rudy wandering into the bedroom and beckoning her to "come here." I don't know why they wanted it to look like Rudy was leading her when she was clearly the one inviting him to the bedroom for drinks according to their own ADR, but they actually went through the effort of digitally erasing her from that scene. Even if her invitation wasn't clearly added in post, you can see her appear in front of Rudy for a moment as he passes a light stand. Special effects: FAIL. Double-FAIL since the effect was pointless anyway when we already saw her leave the previous frame ahead of Rudy. Splicing audio to make it sound like he said "come here" doesn't change the context at all because she already invited him! The whole scene is a mess.

Guess they thought the low-res grid filter would hide their SFX goof.
 
CZroe said:
This is bizarre. When Maria seemingly invites Rudy to the bedroom with "Shall we have a drink in the bedroom?," they show her ahead of Rudy and then cut to a shot of Rudy wandering into the bedroom and beckoning her to "come here." I don't know why they wanted it to look like Rudy was leading her when she was clearly the one inviting him to the bedroom for drinks according to their own ADR, but they actually went through the effort of digitally erasing her from that scene. Even if her invitation wasn't clearly added in post, you can see her appear in front of Rudy for a moment as he passes a light stand. Special effects: FAIL. Double-FAIL since the effect was pointless anyway when we already saw her leave the previous frame ahead of Rudy. Splicing audio to make it sound like he said "come here" doesn't change the context at all because she already invited him! The whole scene is a mess.

Guess they thought the low-res grid filter would hide their SFX goof.
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I didn't get the impression SBC was serious business.

As @purbeast0 said, it does look more like he tucking his shirt in. I think if there's anything to be concerned about it's that he went into the bedroom and how long it took him to tuck in his shirt....while laying on the bed....lol. I mean, what do people think he went in there for.

Anyways, RG is nutters, news at whatever.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I didn't get the impression SBC was serious business.

As @purbeast0 said, it does look more like he tucking his shirt in. I think if there's anything to be concerned about it's that he went into the bedroom and how long it took him to tuck in his shirt....while laying on the bed....lol. I mean, what do people think he went in there for.

Anyways, RG is nutters, news at whatever.
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The "serious" part is what prompted this thread. The media ran with the story and SBC played into it with their fake defense of Rudy video, implying Rudy really did do something to be ashamed of.

Anyway, they looped the tuck from a different angle to double the perceived time it took to tuck it in, so even that wasn't actually a concern. Since the dialog was manipulated the context of him going in there was likely manipulated too. It's very likely that one of the fake documentary crew people told him to go in there and not her. It's possible he never once thought they were alone. Most (all?) of his interactions with SBC pretending to be a sound guy were faked. It seems to me that they tried desperately to salvage a failed prank with ADR, reshoots, looping alternate angles, Rudy stand-ins, etc and this is what they came up with.

Yes, they had an actor standing in for Rudy. Those weren't his hands flipping through when they showed the book. The ring is different as well as the number of buttons on his sleeve.
 
CZroe said:
This is bizarre. When Maria seemingly invites Rudy to the bedroom with "Shall we have a drink in the bedroom?," they show her ahead of Rudy and then cut to a shot of Rudy wandering into the bedroom and beckoning her to "come here." I don't know why they wanted it to look like Rudy was leading her when she was clearly the one inviting him to the bedroom for drinks according to their own ADR, but they actually went through the effort of digitally erasing her from that scene. Even if her invitation wasn't clearly added in post, you can see her appear in front of Rudy for a moment as he passes a light stand. Special effects: FAIL. Double-FAIL since the effect was pointless anyway when we already saw her leave the previous frame ahead of Rudy. Splicing audio to make it sound like he said "come here" doesn't change the context at all because she already invited him! The whole scene is a mess.

Guess they thought the low-res grid filter would hide their SFX goof.
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Yeah, its a bit manipulated to make the joke and story, but he was def glassy eyed and handsy with her in the "interview" period in the main room.

Def looked like he was on a poon hunt, and the story is definitely more accurate than Rudy's U-crane, Burisma, Hunter Biden bullshit, so fuck em.

You just don't go getting yourself into such a position casually, and I have no doubt he would have banged her if he had the chance.

The 15yo stuff... IDK. Funny prank tho on a deserving liar.
 
CZroe said:
The "serious" part is what prompted this thread. The media ran with the story and SBC played into it with their fake defense of Rudy video, implying Rudy really did do something to be ashamed of.

Anyway, they looped the tuck from a different angle to double the perceived time it took to tuck it in, so even that wasn't actually a concern. Since the dialog was manipulated the context of him going in there was likely manipulated too. It's very likely that one of the fake documentary crew people told him to go in there and not her. It's possible he never once thought they were alone. Most (all?) of his interactions with SBC pretending to be a sound guy were faked. It seems to me that they tried desperately to salvage a failed prank with ADR, reshoots, looping alternate angles, Rudy stand-ins, etc and this is what they came up with.

Yes, they had an actor standing in for Rudy. Those weren't his hands flipping through when they showed the book. The ring is different as well as the number of buttons on his sleeve.
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Haha, you think Rudy has shame? Good one. It's pretty clear shame is for libtard cucks.
 
Sounds as if it was so manipulated and full of fakery that it doesn't really mean anything (and so, grudgingly, one can't use it against RG). I've thought very much the same about many of SBC's past stunts. Seems a bit of a waste - what might one reveal if one put such effort and resources into the right targets and legit stories?

Though I wonder to what extent the "Hunter Biden's laptop story" is much the same? That might make it fair-turnaround.
 
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