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Did Christ commit suicide?

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thirtythree

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He chose to die on the cross and, in theory, could've stopped it from happening. He even said "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" before "giving up the ghost," no? I was raised LDS, and thus consider God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost to be separate entities (if I consider them at all, that is), but don't most religions believe that they are one? I mean, either Jesus or God must have made Jesus die, or was it just a coincidence that it happened right after he said that?
 
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
 
He allowed himself to die because it was prophesied in Scripture. As for the seemingly unrelated question of separate entities, go research Unitarians and Trinitarians.
 
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
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But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
 
Scripture came after... didn't it? All the gospel writers and that wrote after Jesus died. And it was officially compiled way after that.
 
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
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But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
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Absolutely he did. If you are hit by a train, and you put yourself there, you have committed suicide. He knew, and IIRC told the Apostles that he was going to face the music, and he knew he would die for it. Same situation, metaphorically.
 
I'm talking Old Testament dude. What was written by prophets.

Forgive me, my memory is hazy since I've been out of college two years and forget a lot of my RPH classes.
 
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
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But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
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Absolutely he did. If you are hit by a train, and you put yourself there, you have committed suicide. He knew, and IIRC told the Apostles that he was going to face the music, and he knew he would die for it. Same situation, metaphorically.
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No, he didn't arrest himself, didn't torture himself, and didn't nail himself. Someone else did. That's not suicide, by ANY definition. The ability to stop it doesn't make it suicide.
 
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
Click to expand...

But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
Click to expand...

Absolutely he did. If you are hit by a train, and you put yourself there, you have committed suicide. He knew, and IIRC told the Apostles that he was going to face the music, and he knew he would die for it. Same situation, metaphorically.
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by that logic, if you kill someone and are put to death under the death penalty you have committed suicide as well. And thats obviously not the case.
 
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
Click to expand...

But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
Click to expand...

Absolutely he did. If you are hit by a train, and you put yourself there, you have committed suicide. He knew, and IIRC told the Apostles that he was going to face the music, and he knew he would die for it. Same situation, metaphorically.
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by that logic, if you kill someone and are put to death under the death penalty you have committed suicide as well. And thats obviously not the case.
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In that case, not so. You may not get the death penalty. If you knew you would get the death penalty, then you do, because you know the result of your actions is your own death. Jesus knew the result of his actions would be death.

I didn't drive the train into me did I? But I still knew the action of putting myself in the rails would lead to my death. Whatever happens in between, the result is the same.
 
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
It's a good point. It was willing death, when a small thing he had control of could stop it. Like standing infront of a train. I didn't kill myself, the train did. But I put myself infront of the train, so it is suicide.
Click to expand...

But he didn't put himself in front of a train, he was arrested, tortured, and nailed to a cross. It doesn't take much to see the difference there. Just because he had the ability to stop it doesn't mean he committed suicide.

Do smokers commit suicide? 400k die every year due to smoking(including mary jane).
Click to expand...

Absolutely he did. If you are hit by a train, and you put yourself there, you have committed suicide. He knew, and IIRC told the Apostles that he was going to face the music, and he knew he would die for it. Same situation, metaphorically.
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Plus could physical pain really kill him? I thought he endured even worse pain in the garden of whatcha-ma-jingle where he bled from every pore and such. Other religions believe in that, right? Plus, as mentioned in my original post, it seemed like he CHOSE to "give up the ghost."
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Yes he did commit suicide, but only for us so that we wouldnt have to die (go to hell)
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Err, are you serious? I thought Jesus was perfect, and how can he be if he just makes exceptions to his laws willy nilly? He's perfect by the standards he makes up? 😕
 
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
P&N .
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Eh? This isn't politics or news.
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P&N is also home for religion.
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No it isn't.
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yes it is
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I veto your assertion that a question such as the OP qualifies for the forum, P&N. It is not political in anyway, and technically isn't even religious in nature. It is a question of semantics, not a question of any religious teaching.
 
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