Did Barack "Spread the Wealth" Obama Just Blow the Election?

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Helping your brother = gov't taking from some and giving to others?

Unless you have a better way to do it...i'm all ears

Uhhh... redistribution is not "helping your brother". It's the gov't taking from some and giving to others.

 

[darincm]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you.

I know I can count on you.

funny stuff. if you have a legitimate need for a handout (illness, disability, etc.) i'd gladly share my money with you. will there ever be a very small minority who abuse the system? of course, but that doesnt mean the system is sound & strives to help all

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This could be the opening McCain needs.

The American people have had enough and nothing short of an assassination will give McCain a victory in November. The day the middle and lower classes gives a shit about the trials and tribulations of being rich is the day YOU win the presidency.

 

[darincm]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Helping your brother = gov't taking from some and giving to others?

Unless you have a better way to do it...i'm all ears

Uhhh... redistribution is not "helping your brother". It's the gov't taking from some and giving to others.

its the same thing if the system is designed to help all.....wow

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Helping your brother = gov't taking from some and giving to others?

Unless you have a better way to do it...i'm all ears

Uhhh... redistribution is not "helping your brother". It's the gov't taking from some and giving to others.

its the same thing if the system is designed to help all.....wow

But the system is not supposed to be the Federal gov't doing that. Where is the gov't charged with redistributing wealth? It's no where to be found except in the heads of the class warfare "robin hood" people.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This could be the opening McCain needs.

Yeah, maybe if it were still May. But it is mid October. The American people have had enough and nothing short of an assassination will give McCain a victory in November.

Yep, Being rid of that boat anchor Palin, is his only hope.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Helping your brother = gov't taking from some and giving to others?

Unless you have a better way to do it...i'm all ears

Uhhh... redistribution is not "helping your brother". It's the gov't taking from some and giving to others.

its the same thing if the system is designed to help all.....wow

But the system is not supposed to be the Federal gov't doing that. Where is the gov't charged with redistributing wealth? It's no where to be found except in the heads of the class warfare "robin hood" people.

Try looking up the phrase "to promote the general welfare"

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This could be the opening McCain needs.

Just use Obama's words against him. As the article below says, Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the government working to improve economic conditions instead of working on wealth redistribution.

There you go.

I'd like to see the exact poll in question.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you?

I know I can count on you.

Edit: I forgot to tell you, I need that $800 every month. Thanks.

Are you sure everyone who needs money is like you just being lazy? What about those with disabilities, single parents who need to care for their kids. Just because you are lazy bum it doesn't mean the rest of the world is too.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: the unknown
So Obama's a Marxist now? Because all the other weak accusations and unbased attacks worked out well for the McCain campaign? That will totally change where this election is going. :roll: (hint: it's not McCain)

Marxist? Eh... Socialist definitely. "Spread the wealth?" Come on... that IS socialism. Let's not judge the good or bad of it, the idea is the bedrock of socialism. Take from someone who has, give it to someone who hasnt. From each according to their abilities, to each according to their means. It is undeniable.

Yes, even our current tax structure has strong socialist tendencies. Tax people who are more successful to give to those who are not successful. What Obama wants to get to is an effort-based system instead of a results-based system... and the only way he can do that now is to raise taxes on the successful and give that money to the unsuccessful. Since I correlate success with effort, this model will always reward those who put less effort into it.

It is socialism. That doesnt pass judgement on it being "good or bad," just defines what it is.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: darincm

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you.

I know I can count on you.

funny stuff. if you have a legitimate need for a handout (illness, disability, etc.) i'd gladly share my money with you. will there ever be a very small minority who abuse the system? of course, but that doesnt mean the system is sound & strives to help all

That is just it... YOU would choose to do that. So go ahead... choose to do that. I would choose to do the same... I dont NEED the government taking it from me to do it. Not everyone is that way you say? Nope... they arent... and shockingly, it is the Democratic VP candidate that does it the least. If Dems are all about sharing resources... why does he share so little?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rockyct
I still think it's funny that "Joe" owes $1200 in back taxes. Why is he so worried about taxes when he isn't going to pay them anyway?

You must have lived a charmed life to have never had money issues.

apparantly he has enough money to buy a 250k business

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: sandorski
Go ahead. That's exactly what needs to be done to bolster the Middle Class.

We need socialism? Move to Venezuela. I'll buy the ticket.

We have socialism. Have you been conscious for the last few weeks? Buy yourself a ticket to Wakethefuckupistan.

Dont you have an Obama "Friday talking points" meeting to go to?

Its held on the same night as the Republican "Chose a new industry to nationalize" night.

:laugh:

And these are the same clowns who were quiet during the largest expansion of government since The Great Society.

Yah, you were real quiet in 2004 when you were a republican cheerleader lol.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rockyct
I still think it's funny that "Joe" owes $1200 in back taxes. Why is he so worried about taxes when he isn't going to pay them anyway?

You must have lived a charmed life to have never had money issues.

apparantly he has enough money to buy a 250k business

Nope, that was all bullshit.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, ofcourse he didn't blow the election. Those who lean left in this country(especially those who will vote for BHO) don't see anything wrong with wealth redistribution. They seem to thrive on the "robin hood" class warfare issues.

Someday people will realize that it's not the gov't place to take from some just to give to others.

Those who lean right in this country think it's a good idea to concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens. When they sleep at night, they think happy thoughts of aristocracy. They seem to thrive on "trickle down" class warfare issues.

Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

Wrong. I don't know a single person on the right who thinks it's a good idea to "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens"

Yes, hopefully someday you people will learn that it's NOT the job of the gov't to redistribute wealth. There is no Constitutional call for such a thing, nor does having more redistribution make this country "free".

The funny thing about the person you are responding to is they have no problem allowing for a huge concentration of wealth in DC. In DC they pass laws such as the patriot act or declare wars. GM for instance is stuck within its own confines as a corporation with no legal jurisdiction over the people.

A common misconception is the right savors wealth concentration because we dont favor taxing people unfairly for success.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: sandorski
Go ahead. That's exactly what needs to be done to bolster the Middle Class.

We need socialism? Move to Venezuela. I'll buy the ticket.

Progressive taxation is not socialism.

Bullshit. Even a FLAT TAX could even be a vehicle of wealth redistribution. Rich guy pays $200m in tax, poor guy pays $200 in tax. Each person gets the same government benefit (one could argue the poor guy might get more because of his need, but let's just keep it simple). That government benefit totals $2,000. The rich guy has been "overtaxed" based on his usage of government services. The poor guy has been undertaxed. Yes, this is a very callous and heartless example of how any tax structure that does not result in equal taxs bills for everyone is redistributive of wealth, but it is what it is.

Now to the progressive model...

"You are more successful, so we will take MORE of your money (as a percentage of the total) than this guy over here who isnt so successful. In fact... this guy over here may not pay anything. Oh yeah, he gets refundable tax credits that actually net to him getting money from the government without paying taxes. No, you cant have those tax credits because you MAKE TO MUCH."

That is redistribution of wealth, also known as SOCIALISM, through the PROGRESSIVE tax code. You can say it isnt, but it doesnt change the fact that it is.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, ofcourse he didn't blow the election. Those who lean left in this country(especially those who will vote for BHO) don't see anything wrong with wealth redistribution. They seem to thrive on the "robin hood" class warfare issues.

Someday people will realize that it's not the gov't place to take from some just to give to others.

Those who lean right in this country think it's a good idea to concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens. When they sleep at night, they think happy thoughts of aristocracy. They seem to thrive on "trickle down" class warfare issues.

Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

Wrong. I don't know a single person on the right who thinks it's a good idea to "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens"

Yes, hopefully someday you people will learn that it's NOT the job of the gov't to redistribute wealth. There is no Constitutional call for such a thing, nor does having more redistribution make this country "free".

But that concentration is exactly what you advocate. The wealth in this country is being concentrated as we speak, this is no secret. How exactly do you propose we stop this?

Having wealth is exactly what makes people free. Free to make their own decisions in life. As working and middle-class wage earners have wealth that remains stagnant, their choices are greatly diminished. What do you call someone that works only to pay for rent, transportation, and food? Wealth gives people opportunity.

It's funny that you mention the Constitution. Our escape from the British crown. Let me ask you something, you are in favor of weak government and free market capitalism. What do you think happens when wealth is inevitably concentrated in a few hands with no government oversight? We devolve into aristrocracy and Monarchy. It took centuries for humanity to break the idea that an individual should have private control of property, armies, and people. Centuries for the public private separation of "state."

I do not believe we should take money from anyone to give to welfare queens or other non-contributing individuals. You can check my post history. I despise the bailout for Wall St and McCain's plan to prop up home prices. I do not want to reward people for making stupid decisions. However, I do recognize that the concentration of wealth is a very evil and dangerous event. And if you've read the Constitution, you know it was in part created to "promote the general Welfare." And as far as I know, the Sixteenth Amendment grants the federal government to right to levy taxes. I believe that all contributing Americans have the right to wealth beyond substistence living. That wealth represents power. I believe all Americans should have at least some power in deciding their own destiny.

 

[darincm]

i give up...i'm talking about a system designed to benefit the greater good, which ultimately makes everyone better. clearly america is not ready for this. if someone can't understand that by helping someone when they are down will ultimately help a nation, nothing i say will change their mind.

come to america..you're on your own. if you get sick, to bad. if you lose your job, to bad. if you have a disability, to bad.

i pay a crapload of taxes in canada to support healthcare & other social services & i'm glad to do it because i understand that if we can get someone back on their feet, they are likely to become a contributing member of society, paying taxes & helping their community. i guess i'm some sort of evil socialist

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Its really a how far do you think ahead question. As BigDHO1 points out, tax policy and other government polices can modify how national wealth is distributed. And when too few people own too much, its thye leaves the rest short. And for a businessman or woman, there is no answer to the how can I sell my products, when too few people can afford to buy them?

The policies of GWB have hurt the middle class, and for them, their purchasing power is diminishing. In short we are heading for a Haitian style economy.

The very rich love it, but they have cause to fear when the size of the overall real wealth created pie to be cut up keeps getting smaller and smaller. Which means, they must get greedier and greedier, just to keep their income steady. While those that own the means of production are forced to lay off those who can produce. Down that road lies an ever deepening recession.

Obama sees the problem, McCain is clueless.

Oh yeah? Obama's public tax policy is based on a more progressive income tax. I understand he talks about capital gains on his website but ask anybody on the street about his tax policy and they will tell you his income tax plan of sub 250K need not worry. The issue with the filthy rich is capital gains. Buffet doesnt pay federal income taxes. He pays federal capital gains taxes at 15%.

And under Bush people who effectively paid 0% in federal income taxes rose 46% in his first 4 years of office.

If we want to tackle the filthy rich then capital gains needs to be dealt with. Personally I wouldnt mind if we made capital gains progressive. We need to weigh to pro's and cons of tax policy of course.

Above all it would be nice if the govt set the rate and stuck to it. I firmly believe when the govt fucks with the tax rates every other year it introduces instability and uncertaintly in the market. Which overall hurts the economy. In the past 30 years we have gone from a top rate of 70% to 28% to 39% to 35% and now most likely back up to 39%.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: sandorski
Go ahead. That's exactly what needs to be done to bolster the Middle Class.

We need socialism? Move to Venezuela. I'll buy the ticket.

Progressive taxation is not socialism.

Bullshit. Even a FLAT TAX could even be a vehicle of wealth redistribution. Rich guy pays $200m in tax, poor guy pays $200 in tax. Each person gets the same government benefit (one could argue the poor guy might get more because of his need, but let's just keep it simple). That government benefit totals $2,000. The rich guy has been "overtaxed" based on his usage of government services. The poor guy has been undertaxed. Yes, this is a very callous and heartless example of how any tax structure that does not result in equal taxs bills for everyone is redistributive of wealth, but it is what it is.

Now to the progressive model...

"You are more successful, so we will take MORE of your money (as a percentage of the total) than this guy over here who isnt so successful. In fact... this guy over here may not pay anything. Oh yeah, he gets refundable tax credits that actually net to him getting money from the government without paying taxes. No, you cant have those tax credits because you MAKE TO MUCH."

That is redistribution of wealth, also known as SOCIALISM, through the PROGRESSIVE tax code. You can say it isnt, but it doesnt change the fact that it is.

Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Progressive taxation has nothing to do with the collective ownership of the means of production.

What's funny is that you basically just argued that any taxation ever is socialism. That should have been your first sign that you were wrong.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you?

I know I can count on you.

Edit: I forgot to tell you, I need that $800 every month. Thanks.

Red herring. If you read my post history you'll discover that nowhere do I promote taking money and giving it to lazy or non-contributing individuals. However, this is how conservatives want to portray anyone who asks for redistribution. I will once again post a study that I'm sure most will never read. This is not about helping the beggars, it's about helping working and middle-class Americans.

You are so diluted by partisan politics that you can no longer look objectively at what's happening to wealth in this country. Your post goes a long way in proving this. The redistribution of wealth is not about giving money to those that refuse to work, it's ensuring that those who do work get a fair share of the wealth.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you?

I know I can count on you.

Edit: I forgot to tell you, I need that $800 every month. Thanks.

Are you sure everyone who needs money is like you just being lazy? What about those with disabilities, single parents who need to care for their kids. Just because you are lazy bum it doesn't mean the rest of the world is too.

We have a system in place to take care of the people you describe. You're completely missing my point. The poster I quoted wants to take from the rich to give to the poor. Don't assume you're going to be in the poor group.

This wealth distribution sounds just wonderful to folks like yourself. It's rather deeply rooted into our psyche's. As children we were taught that it's a good thing to share. Many of us grow out of our childhood ideals. Usually when we enter the workforce and find out just what it takes to earn a living.

You assume my post means I'm lazy. OK, let's run with that. I want you to consider this. If the wealth gets redistributed as you seem to endorse, and I can get enough out of that redistribution to get by without working, then where is my incentive to work and contribute to society? I'm not going to. Many others won't either. How many of us are you willing to support?

The pendulum swings back and forth. At this point in time it's swinging to the left. It will swing back to the right. I can guarantee you that. Young folks are hearing the words of a candidate today that are ringing true in their ears. They like what he's saying and believe in him with all their hearts. Those that have been on this earth longer know that this rhetoric, these ideals, have been heard before - many times. They didn't work then, and they won't work now. Because of the very nature of human beings. It's no different in the animal kingdom Your dog doesn't hunt for his food, because you provide it for him. Humans are no different.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: BigDH01
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.

I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.

Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?

What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?

So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you?

I know I can count on you.

Edit: I forgot to tell you, I need that $800 every month. Thanks.

Red herring. If you read my post history you'll discover that nowhere do I promote taking money and giving it to lazy or non-contributing individuals. However, this is how conservatives want to portray anyone who asks for redistribution. I will once again post a study that I'm sure most will never read. This is not about helping the beggars, it's about helping working and middle-class Americans.

You are so diluted by partisan politics that you can no longer look objectively at what's happening to wealth in this country. Your post goes a long way in proving this. The redistribution of wealth is not about giving money to those that refuse to work, it's ensuring that those who do work get a fair share of the wealth.

One question. Why do you deserve more?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland Rich guy pays $200m in tax, poor guy pays $200 in tax. Each person gets the same government benefit (one could argue the poor guy might get more because of his need, but let's just keep it simple). That government benefit totals $2,000. The rich guy has been "overtaxed" based on his usage of government services. The poor guy has been undertaxed.

no. the rich guy is only rich because the government ensures his property rights. without those rights the guy couldn't possibly have made enough money to have to pay $200m in taxes.

given typical rich guys in this country, he'd likely be dead otherwise.

Originally posted by: Lemon law


The policies of GWB have hurt the middle class, and for them, their purchasing power is diminishing.

prove it.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
What some Contard bone heads call 'wealth redistribution' and 'Marxism' I call 'paying the bills on time' or 'government living within its means'.

that makes no sense at all.