Budmantom
Lifer
- Aug 17, 2002
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WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
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Actually, I think this could backfire on McCain. Most Americans are not wealthy and many feel anger towards the upper classes that manage businesses, ship jobs overseas, replace Americans with foreigners on work visas, cut health insurance benefits, and beg the government for billions of dollars in bailouts.
Do you really think that your average American, in today's economy, gives two squits about the economic well-being of the upper classes?
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
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Lots of third world countries have fully capitalist health care. If you can pay for it you can get it. If not, you don't. Works really well in Somalia, doesn't it?
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
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He said this a few days ago, how is it that today you're posting as if this is fresh news? We already have all heard it and he's still grossly ahead of mccain in electoral. "election blow" = not found.
It's a minority of people who are behind in October/08 on 2006 year taxes. Try again.
fleshconsumed
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- Feb 21, 2002
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That's questionable because it's been mostly middle class and poor people that have been chanting against progressive taxes. They think, hey next year I'll be making a little more and government will be taking even more from me? Fuck that... Yes, the idea against progressive taxes comes from the top (not surprisingly), but it's the middle class that keeps it alive.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
No, ofcourse he didn't blow the election. Those who lean left in this country(especially those who will vote for BHO) don't see anything wrong with wealth redistribution. They seem to thrive on the "robin hood" class warfare issues.
Someday people will realize that it's not the gov't place to take from some just to give to others.
Someday people will realize that it's not the gov't place to take from some just to give to others.
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
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No, right now they are thinking "hey next year I may be out of work, how am I going to keep some money coming in and bring my kids to the doctor if they need it?"
Even among the most hardcore "right", they know that wealth distribution is necessary to avoid a king and pauper scenario. Debate usually circles around what degree of redistribution is necesary. If the poor and rich all paid the same amount per year in income taxes, the poor would be obscenely poorer, since the rich do pay disprpoortionately so much more right now.
What some Contard bone heads call 'wealth redistribution' and 'Marxism' I call 'paying the bills on time' or 'government living within its means'.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Dear CAD:
Just because you throw out terror words of 'Marxism' and 'wealth redistribution' does not make it true. I'm not impressed.
This is the primary reason that Republicans are becoming a nonfunctioning minority for the next generation. Your scare words and propaganda and fallacies are a Failure.
With Best Regards,
America
Those who lean right in this country think it's a good idea to concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens. When they sleep at night, they think happy thoughts of aristocracy. They seem to thrive on "trickle down" class warfare issues.
Someday, people will realize that it is a free nation's government's job to ensure that 10% of the population doesn't own 90% of the wealth, and therefore power, as such a situation is inherently unsustainable. A land of peasantry is not a free nation.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Where did I post "marxism"? Please post where I stated that.
Also, regardless of any of your blather - your post(which I quoted) is not true. "Wealth redistribution" is not "paying the bills on time". They are not even close to the same.
I loved that "share the wealth" statement. that is supposed to be a bad thing? I thought America was a christian country where you are supposed to help your brother. guess not eh...
on another note.. when will americans wake up & realize that they need to pay more taxes? how do you expect to get ouf of debt unless the nation pays it off? you can say cut programs, etc. but at 10 TRILLION, americans really need to wake up & realize that they have to pay for it somehow. I would be thrilled if a politician looked into the camera & said that as much as they don't want to do it, it needs to be done for the good of the country & that we all need to pull together as a nation. That kind of real talk would get my vote
on another note.. when will americans wake up & realize that they need to pay more taxes? how do you expect to get ouf of debt unless the nation pays it off? you can say cut programs, etc. but at 10 TRILLION, americans really need to wake up & realize that they have to pay for it somehow. I would be thrilled if a politician looked into the camera & said that as much as they don't want to do it, it needs to be done for the good of the country & that we all need to pull together as a nation. That kind of real talk would get my vote
- Aug 22, 2001
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Joe is a make believe character, as most now know, but that won't stop Old Mike Huckabee from having an "exclusive" interview with him on Fix News.
I usually don't subscribe to all the derogatory political terms you guys hurl at each other, but in this instance, I really have to wonder how anyone with more brain activity than Terry Schiavo can condone this horse shit. :thumbsdown:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Wrong. I don't know a single person on the right who thinks it's a good idea to "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of very few people that aren't accountable to citizens"
Yes, hopefully someday you people will learn that it's NOT the job of the gov't to redistribute wealth. There is no Constitutional call for such a thing, nor does having more redistribution make this country "free".
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
cKGunslinger
Lifer
- Nov 29, 1999
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Well, America is really not a Christian country. Also, while Christianity does encourage charity, I think a key tenet is voluntary charity, not forced. It loses a bit of its meaning if you have no choice in the matter.
And while I agree that higher taxes may be necessary, imagine if your tax attorney is a compulsive gambler, or your spouse is a compulsive shopper. Sure, you should give them money to pay your bills, buy groceries, but aren't you a little wary that your money is potentially going to be wasted?
Responsible spending should be our #1 concern at this point. Just like those lottery winners who end up declaring bankruptcy after a few years - having more money does not automatically solve problems. As soon as the government can show that is can responsibly and efficiently manage its current income, then I'd be a bit more willing to increase their cash flow for the common good.
Despite my libertarian leanings, I actually do support some idea of a working national health care system, but as it stands now, the government really hasn't shown that it could manage such a project and keep the money flowing in the right spots, rather than into the pockets of Insurance company's who are responsible for the outrageous price of health care costs.
Right now, I'm not too keen on paying higher taxes, just so we can write more $800B checks to individuals who promise to try and make our problems disappear.
Lemon law
Lifer
- Nov 6, 2005
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Its really a how far do you think ahead question. As BigDHO1 points out, tax policy and other government polices can modify how national wealth is distributed. And when too few people own too much, its thye leaves the rest short. And for a businessman or woman, there is no answer to the how can I sell my products, when too few people can afford to buy them?
The policies of GWB have hurt the middle class, and for them, their purchasing power is diminishing. In short we are heading for a Haitian style economy.
The very rich love it, but they have cause to fear when the size of the overall real wealth created pie to be cut up keeps getting smaller and smaller. Which means, they must get greedier and greedier, just to keep their income steady. While those that own the means of production are forced to lay off those who can produce. Down that road lies an ever deepening recession.
Obama sees the problem, McCain is clueless.
The policies of GWB have hurt the middle class, and for them, their purchasing power is diminishing. In short we are heading for a Haitian style economy.
The very rich love it, but they have cause to fear when the size of the overall real wealth created pie to be cut up keeps getting smaller and smaller. Which means, they must get greedier and greedier, just to keep their income steady. While those that own the means of production are forced to lay off those who can produce. Down that road lies an ever deepening recession.
Obama sees the problem, McCain is clueless.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Helping your brother = gov't taking from some and giving to others?
It already happens, just as others have mentioned it is distributed up. If you have a better way to do it...i'm all ears
boomerang
Lifer
- Jun 19, 2000
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I'm hoping you wouldn't have a problem sending me $800. I feel that you may have more than me, and I just don't feel that it's fair.
Sure, I have trouble getting up some mornings. I really don't like to get up until the sun is higher in the sky and the air is warm. It's just the way I am. I also have problems holding a job. It's not really that I don't like working, it's just that sometimes they want me to do things that I'm not in the mood to do. Everybody's like that sometimes - right?
What I'm saying is that I am the way that I am. I just can't help it. You, on the other hand seem rather industrious. It's just the way you are. I'm the way I am, and you're the way you are. We can't help but be what we are now, right?
So please give me that money. I don't see why you have to wait for a silly election to do so. I really need it now. Get with the spirit of America and send me that money right now. I know I can count on you because I can tell from your post that you don't think it's right that people that want to better themselves have more than those of us that are not so ambitious. It's just not fair. We're all different. Why should my standard of living be less than yours because I'm not the same as you?
I know I can count on you.
Edit: I forgot to tell you, I need that $800 every month. Thanks.
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