Dick Cheney on 2004 Ticket. Why?

[Dragnov]

CNN link

Now now, put all the hate and bickering aside. But seriously, I wonder... why?

His health is questionable.
He has a pretty shady background with his relations w/ big business.
He hasn't done much.
Not popular among the general public.

Why would Bush keep him on the 2004 ticket? I'm thinking because Bush/Republicans believe they already have the election in the bag no matter what. What do you guys think? (Please, logical/clean discussion.)

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
CNN link

Now now, put all the hate and bickering aside. But seriously, I wonder... why?

His health is questionable.
He has a pretty shady background with his relations w/ big business.
He hasn't done much.
Not popular among the general public.

Why would Bush keep him on the 2004 ticket? I'm thinking because Bush/Republicans believe they already have the election in the bag no matter what. What do you guys think? (Please, logical/clean discussion.)

I never liked Cheney. In fact, I think almost as poorly of him as I do Ashcroft.

I say Bush/Powell 2004. That'd be a goldmine. Then Powell can run in 2008 with McCain as a running mate. Wouldn't that be a beautiful ticket?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

*Sure his health may be in question but that really isn't an issue.
*So he had/has connections to Evil Oil and Evil big business - this should exclude him why?
*According to everyone before this war - Cheney was the real president and Bush was his puppet - why has that view changed?
*I wouldn't say he's unpopular with the public - it's just that he isn't outspoken and doesn't draw attention to himself so we(the public) don't know him very well.(he talks out of the side of his mouth - maybe that's why you(others) don't like him )

Would I like to see someone else besides Cheney as a running mate? sure would because if Bush picked a McCain, Powell, or Mrs. Dole I think they would stand a better chance of election in 2008 Cheney doesn't stand a chance in 08 if he tried to run. But the fact that he doesn't stand a chance in 08 doesn't mean that he shouldn't be on the ticket in 04.

CkG

 

[phillyTIM]

the bush regime needs to go; there's no doubt about it; and they will be going, trust me

however

if he were to run again, now would be a ripe time to partner with a woman on the ticket

that would be interesting to see

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
*Sure his health may be in question but that really isn't an issue.
*So he had/has connections to Evil Oil and Evil big business - this should exclude him why?
*According to everyone before this war - Cheney was the real president and Bush was his puppet - why has that view changed?
*I wouldn't say he's unpopular with the public - it's just that he isn't outspoken and doesn't draw attention to himself so we(the public) don't know him very well.(he talks out of the side of his mouth - maybe that's why you(others) don't like him )

Would I like to see someone else besides Cheney as a running mate? sure would because if Bush picked a McCain, Powell, or Mrs. Dole I think they would stand a better chance of election in 2008 Cheney doesn't stand a chance in 08 if he tried to run. But the fact that he doesn't stand a chance in 08 doesn't mean that he shouldn't be on the ticket in 04.

CkG

Hehe. I'm not saying all of this should exclude him for any. I'm just saying it doesn't seem to be the best choice for the Bush and Republicans. Dick Cheney just doesn't pass as a good Vice President (whether he really is, or is not I don't care for this discussion). I'm tending to believe it's because they have the next election, and the donations from Cheney's connection are always a plus.

A Bush/Powell ticket would seem to best PR wise. It would do wonders, as both are extremely popular at this time. Republicans would be able to play the race card and ride it. Of course, this may be saved for the 2008 election though as you imply

 

[SnapIT]

If the Bush regime gets to rule after 2004 i will dismiss the US... i would encourage the world to do the same, we do not deal with idiots...

 

[SuperTool]

I don't get it either. If Bush/Cheney win in 04, is Cheney going to run for Prez in 08? I don't think that's going to happen, and if not, then why wouldn't they have someone else be VP in 04 so that that person would be the incumbent VP in 08, like Bush's daddy was in 88.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't get it either. If Bush/Cheney win in 04, is Cheney going to run for Prez in 08? I don't think that's going to happen, and if not, then why wouldn't they have someone else be VP in 04 so that that person would be the incumbent VP in 08, like Bush's daddy was in 88.

Exactly. Theres no way in hell Cheney will win as President in 08, I sure as hell wouldn't vote for him in that role. Powell can't run as President (thats just too far I think to pass the Republican ticket, let alone pass the general public.) I do think he would work as 2008 VP though, but it would be even stronger if he was to be VP of 2004 also. Cmon, it would do wonders for the Republican image and their race relations.

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: SnapIT
If the Bush regime gets to rule after 2004 i will dismiss the US... i would encourage the world to do the same, we do not deal with idiots...

haha, if the Bush regime rules after 2004, I'd encourage you and the world to dismiss us

surely it wouldn't happen because the American people voted for him, as we didn't in the 2000 election

"fool us once, shame on you (bush); fool us twice, shame on me (us)"

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: SnapIT
If the Bush regime gets to rule after 2004 i will dismiss the US... i would encourage the world to do the same, we do not deal with idiots...

haha, if the Bush regime rules after 2004, I'd encourage you and the world to dismiss us

surely it wouldn't happen because the American people voted for him, as we didn't in the 2000 election

"fool us once, shame on you (bush); fool us twice, shame on me (us)"

Don't worry, you americans are smarter than your government gives you credit for, there is no way in hell the puppet regime you currently have will survive the next election...

I have faith in the people, not the government, that goes for yours and that goes for mine...

 

[MrChicken]

I was, and still am hoping that Bush will pick CP or CR as his running mate. For 2008 I'd like to see CP and CR as the ticket, in any order.

There is still plenty of time for DC to back out before the campaign. If they play by the Dems rules in recent elections, they can just wait until a few weeks before election day, and switch candidates according to the polls.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: SnapIT
If the Bush regime gets to rule after 2004 i will dismiss the US... i would encourage the world to do the same, we do not deal with idiots...

haha, if the Bush regime rules after 2004, I'd encourage you and the world to dismiss us

surely it wouldn't happen because the American people voted for him, as we didn't in the 2000 election

"fool us once, shame on you (bush); fool us twice, shame on me (us)"

Bush isnt getting relected 2004, period. His whole campaign was under the guise of "campasionate conservatism", now that people understand how hard right wing his administration is, moderates even soft right wing will think twice.

Winning Iraq wont win votes either, look at daddy Bush. He went ahead with a unpopular war anyway.

Economy is still in dumps, while he gives big fat tax cuts to his friends, out of control federal spending. All one needs to do is look at Fascist Ashcroft and Big Brother Cheney violating civil liberties and keeping secrets; while Rumsfeld piss away our European allies.

Didnt win election 2000, wont win election 2004... this time he'll get beat by a sizable margin and we'll have a LEGITAMATE president in office.

 

[phillyTIM]

i hope to god you are right

we can't survive another 4 years of his s##t

the world can't!

 

[phillyTIM]

My apologies to the world for the current state of America

 

[Dragnov]

God, my thread has been hijacked by the anti-Bush crowd again. Does my question have to do w/ Bush? No, so please shut up.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

dammit - i clicked submit and it lost my post.

But basically it was to say the what Gr1mL0cK said but with a little more gusto and a few links to back up my definitions.

CkG

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Bush wouldn't tolerate Powell b/c Powell's popularity will always exceed the President's.

Bush and McCain . . . why not Hatfield and McCoy.

Bush and Dole . . . not a good idea b/c NC is a soft Republican state with a lot of northern transplants. The most prominent GOP candidates would likely lose a Senate race. On the merits . . . why favor Dole over Rice?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Bush wouldn't tolerate Powell b/c Powell's popularity will always exceed the President's.

Bush and McCain . . . why not Hatfield and McCoy.

Bush and Dole . . . not a good idea b/c NC is a soft Republican state with a lot of northern transplants. The most prominent GOP candidates would likely lose a Senate race. On the merits . . . why favor Dole over Rice?

Dole vs Rice? Dole only because of National name recognition, either would be fine by me.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Bush wouldn't tolerate Powell b/c Powell's popularity will always exceed the President's.

Bush and McCain . . . why not Hatfield and McCoy.

Bush and Dole . . . not a good idea b/c NC is a soft Republican state with a lot of northern transplants. The most prominent GOP candidates would likely lose a Senate race. On the merits . . . why favor Dole over Rice?

The Republicans don't want Powell because that would likely siphon off some key votes in the south. They don't want McCain because he's a leader with a mind of his own, not their puppet. So Cheney is a safe choice, the only people who care about what a sleaze his is wouldn't vote for Bush Anyway.

 

[Dragnov]

The Republicans don't want Powell because that would likely siphon off some key votes in the south. They don't want McCain because he's a leader with a mind of his own, not their puppet. So Cheney is a safe choice, the only people who care about what a sleaze his is wouldn't vote for Bush Anyway.

I believe those votes lost in the South will easily be made up by those picked up by minorities. Furthermore, it is not as if those South votes would ever go to the the Democrat ticket. lol. That would truly be the sign of the appocolypse. I still think w/ Bush as president he could maintain most of the votes from the South, as well as ride the HUGE wave of playing the race card correctly.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK


I believe those votes lost in the South will easily be made up by those picked up by minorities. Furthermore, it is not as if those South votes would ever go to the the Democrat ticket.

I think some of them would as long as Lieberman wasn't running. But it's an interesting point, would the Republicans be ready for such a shift in one of their key demographics? If race gets blacks to get out and vote, maybe they would vote more in other elections where the minority candidates are almost all Democrat.

And anyway I believe Hispanics have become the #1 minority to cater to.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Dole vs Rice? Dole only because of National name recognition, either would be fine by me.

Libby has national name recognition b/c of her husband. The Red Cross and Labor Secretary stints have zero cache with people outside of the Beltway or Heritage Foundation circles. She won the Senate race on Bush's coat tails and an opponent with a high Clinton quotient.

Furthermore, it is not as if those South votes would ever go to the the Democrat ticket. lol. That would truly be the sign of the appocolypse.

You must be from some other part of the country. If it wasn't for Bush's "Homeland Security" card used to tarnish any Democrat (even those who supported his tax bill), Democrats would have performed much better in the South. Lieberman has a snowball's chance in Hell but someone like Graham could easily win primaries in the South if he had enough cash to get his name out.

 

[xuanman]

i really think it has to do with loyalty. that's just the way gwb is. besides, you don't change the vp when you're an incumbent as that portrays a sign of weakness.

 

[SnapIT]

If Dole ever gets a prominent position in the US you can kiss your last freedoms goodbye... The US will be the land of the NOT free...

As and outsider in a country you portray as less free, i enjoy more freedom than you do, why doesn't that scare the sh!t out of you? Is that what you want? the land of the afraid??????

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: SnapIT
If Dole ever gets a prominent position in the US you can kiss your last freedoms goodbye... The US will be the land of the NOT free...

As and outsider in a country you portray as less free, i enjoy more freedom than you do, why doesn't that scare the sh!t out of you? Is that what you want? the land of the afraid??????

Dude, seriously. Take your whining elsewhere, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.