Dharun Ravi Found Guilty in Rutgers Trial

[JEDIYoda]

LOL.. the only reason you pretend to pine for Clementi is because he was of european descent.

If the situation had been reversed, where the bully was a "good christian" (oxymoron) and the victim was an Indian Hindu, the "defendant" would have gotten a pat on the b

It`s really sad that your opinion is so convoluted and baseless....

 

[micrometers]

1. It was Ravi's room also.

2. He didn't broadcast anything. If you read the new yorker article, basically he would get small glimpses that lasted a few seconds.

Frankly, the exposure that Clementi was exposed to is nothing compared to say, the Paris Hilton sex tapes. At most it was a few seconds.

I absolutely do believe that the gay rights crowd is crucifying Ravi. I have never seen as much vitriol on the NYT website as when Ravi was fingered. I've never seen such a rush to judgement, where they posted the pictures of Ravi and Wen on the front page and labeled them murderers. This is a minor story and it should have been buried in the local news section.

 

[DCal430]

I will likely only have 2 to 3 years in jail, which I think is fair, BUT what Id on't really think is fair is deportation. 2 to 3 years in jail will not destroy his life any more than it has already been ruined by his own action in this. But deportation will ruin his life. He left india is a small child and likely doesn't even speak the language. Shame his parents never applied for citizenship.

 

[Baasha]

It`s really sad that your opinion is so convoluted and baseless....

what are you, infohawk's spokesman?

 

[micrometers]

2-3 years of jail would ruin his life. This kid is missing out on some of his best years, and all of the friendship contacts.

It was a non-violent misdemeanor. He deserves probation I believe and some community service. That would fit the crime.

 

[Infohawk]

LOL.. the only reason you pretend to pine for Clementi is because he was of european descent.

If the situation had been reversed, where the bully was a "good christian" (oxymoron) and the victim was an Indian Hindu, the "defendant" would have gotten a pat on the back for upholding his "judeo-christian values". XD

That's what I thought. You don't really have any evidence so now you're making assumptions and attacking made-up motives. Race isn't really relevant here. The defendant's immigrant status is only relevant because we can hopefully send him back to India. Feel free to provide any evidence that race was a factor in this particular conviction.

 

[theeedude]

Because that doesn't carry anywhere near the societal stigma that being gay does. Ravi did this purely to publicly out Tyler knowing what would happen.

He's a hateful piece of shit and I hope he enjoys his time in prison before being sent back to India.

Are you saying everyone who is outed kills themselves? I find stupid, but I don't find hatred in what he did. If you are arguing the social stigma is greater, fine, but Ravi didn't create this stigma, you can't hold people responsible if other people's stigmas make them kill themselves. This abuse of the statute will only make people more skeptical of the concept of hate crime, which will hurt people who are impacted by actual hate crimes.

 

[CanOWorms]

That's what I thought. You don't really have any evidence so now you're making assumptions and attacking made-up motives. Race isn't really relevant here. The defendant's immigrant status is only relevant because we can hopefully send him back to India. Feel free to provide any evidence that race was a factor in this particular conviction.

Race is always relevant when discussing criminal law.

 

[Infohawk]

But deportation will ruin his life. He left india is a small child and likely doesn't even speak the language. Shame his parents never applied for citizenship.

Imagine if someone was born to American parents in America and went to German high school and then started at a German university. Would it really be so hard for them to come back to the US? I doubt it. They'd likely have learned their parents language and would still have extended family in the US. It's really not a tragedy. Might as well deport a criminal when we have the chance.

 

[CanOWorms]

Here's an interesting article with comments from the jurors.

In Digital Record, Jurors Say, They Found Reasons to Convict

The bias intimidation charges were the most difficult to agree upon, jurors said. And what tipped the scales there, they said, was that Mr. Ravi had discussed spying on Mr. Clementi not just once, but repeatedly, even inviting his online friends to watch Mr. Clementi and the other man in a second encounter.

That, said Ms. Audet, is what elevated the case from one of teenagers behaving cruelly and insensitively to a crime.

 

[Baasha]

That's what I thought. You don't really have any evidence so now you're making assumptions and attacking made-up motives. Race isn't really relevant here. The defendant's immigrant status is only relevant because we can hopefully send him back to India. Feel free to provide any evidence that race was a factor in this particular conviction.

There is no evidence that race was a factor. Yet, you must be highly obtuse, unsurprisingly, to think that that didn't have any role in the proceedings.

As I said, if the situation was reversed, you'd be siding with the bully, unsurprisingly, again.

 

[DCal430]

1. It was Ravi's room also.

2. He didn't broadcast anything. If you read the new yorker article, basically he would get small glimpses that lasted a few seconds.

Frankly, the exposure that Clementi was exposed to is nothing compared to say, the Paris Hilton sex tapes. At most it was a few seconds.

I absolutely do believe that the gay rights crowd is crucifying Ravi. I have never seen as much vitriol on the NYT website as when Ravi was fingered. I've never seen such a rush to judgement, where they posted the pictures of Ravi and Wen on the front page and labeled them murderers. This is a minor story and it should have been buried in the local news section.

1. He posted tweets about it and was mocking him over it, he then set up the web cam so he could record the next sexual encounter and invited people to watch and laugh at the gays having sex.

 

[Infohawk]

There is no evidence that race was a factor. Yet, you must be highly obtuse, unsurprisingly, to think that that didn't have any role in the proceedings.

Sorry I don't believe in things for which there is no evidence.

As I said, if the situation was reversed, you'd be siding with the bully, unsurprisingly, again.

You have no evidence of that. http://linglogic.wikia.com/wiki/Attacking_the_motive Educate yourself.

 

[Baasha]

Imagine if someone was born to American parents in America and went to German high school and then started at a German university. Would it really be so hard for them to come back to the US? I doubt it. They'd likely have learned their parents language and would still have extended family in the US. It's really not a tragedy. Might as well deport a criminal when we have the chance.

The deportation to India is not frowned upon by anyone. In fact, with India's economy booming, Ravi could do very well there (provided he can obfuscate his conviction here). The US economy is in shambles and in extreme debt while the jobs are being shipped overseas. Adjusting to the local culture is something he will have to get used to since he grew up here however, everyone can make that change, even grudgingly.

The sad part about this is the 10 year prison sentence. Privacy violation never constitutes prison terms. If it did; Zuckerberg and the management at Facebook would be in prison. The 'bias intimidation' conviction is a complete farce; it is a paradigm of scapegoating.

 

[Craig234]

I do support hate crimes. I don't have enough information whether this was one.

If it was done where he 'happened to be gay', it's not.

If he were targeted out of bigotry and hate because he was gay, it was.

The burden is on the prosecution to show the bigotry was there.

The result is horrible. I don't know there was any intent. That leaves negligence, but how far does that go? Having 10 year sentences on the books for it seems high.

 

[DCal430]

You know what is disturbing, after he found out about the suicide, he goes and deletes his bigot filled comments and post a fake apology on twitter.

 

[micrometers]

You know what is disturbing, after he found out about the suicide, he goes and deletes his bigot filled comments and post a fake apology on twitter.

So? I do believe that he never in his wildest dreams imagined that Clementi would killself.

 

[Baasha]

Sorry I don't believe in things for which there is no evidence.


You have no evidence of that. http://linglogic.wikia.com/wiki/Attacking_the_motive Educate yourself.

99% of your 'posts' are evidence for that. Next time, try to at least hide your hypocrisy. Until then, adults are talking here. Go back to your knucklebones, child.

 

[Baasha]

I do support hate crimes. I don't have enough information whether this was one.

If it was done where he 'happened to be gay', it's not.

If he were targeted out of bigotry and hate because he was gay, it was.

The burden is on the prosecution to show the bigotry was there.

The result is horrible. I don't know there was any intent. That leaves negligence, but how far does that go? Having 10 year sentences on the books for it seems high.

What about that case in the military where some 19 year old Asian guy was bullied to death? He was called all sorts of racist names, beaten black and blue, hot sand poured on his face etc. What do his bullies get? NOTHING! They were acquitted saying that they had to "discipline" the victim because he fell asleep on duty. His arm was broken if I remember correctly as well. The really sad part about that was the Asian guy was born and brought up in the US! Yet, he was treated as an outsider.

Justice for non-whites in America is non-existent unless the said person was very wealthy and/or famous. Even then, look at the billionaire Rajaratnam; 11 years for "sharing information". You think the bankers on wall street all these decades haven't engaged in insider trading? lol.. the really sad part of it all was that the chief prosecuting attorney for that case was Indian!

 

[PhoKingGuy]

99% of your 'posts' are evidence for that. Next time, try to at least hide your hypocrisy. Until then, adults are talking here. Go back to your knucklebones, child.

You give us all a bad name, please take your FOB bullshit and STFU

 

[micrometers]

What about that case in the military where some 19 year old Asian guy was bullied to death? He was called all sorts of racist names, beaten black and blue, hot sand poured on his face etc. What do his bullies get? NOTHING! They were acquitted saying that they had to "discipline" the victim because he fell asleep on duty. His arm was broken if I remember correctly as well.

Justice for non-whites in America is non-existent.

yes.

 

[Infohawk]

99% of your 'posts' are evidence for that. Next time, try to at least hide your hypocrisy. Until then, adults are talking here. Go back to your knucklebones, child.

I am a child because I am asking for evidence that race was a factor in this prosecution? Isn't your name-calling what is childish?

Let me make it clear to you, if the situation was the same except the victim had been Indian and the perpetrator had been gay I would want the perpetrator punished. As I already said earlier, there is never a good reason to invade someone's privacy and try to humiliate them.

 

[CanOWorms]

What about that case in the military where some 19 year old Asian guy was bullied to death? He was called all sorts of racist names, beaten black and blue, hot sand poured on his face etc. What do his bullies get? NOTHING! They were acquitted saying that they had to "discipline" the victim because he fell asleep on duty. His arm was broken if I remember correctly as well. The really sad part about that was the Asian guy was born and brought up in the US! Yet, he was treated as an outsider.

Justice for non-whites in America is non-existent unless the said person was very wealthy and/or famous. Even then, look at the billionaire Rajaratnam; 11 years for "sharing information". You think the bankers on wall street all these decades haven't engaged in insider trading? lol.. the really sad part of it all was that the chief prosecuting attorney for that case was Indian!

It's kind of a work in progress for non-whites to have judicial equality.

I recall a story a year or two ago with an Asian-American Philadelphia student being acquitted of shooting a white man in self-defense who allegedly tried to attack him. Of course, a prosecutor probably wouldn't have charged the defendant if the roles were reversed, but at least a jury acquitted him. I don't know if something like that would have happened 10 years ago.

 

[Baasha]

You know what is disturbing, after he found out about the suicide, he goes and deletes his bigot filled comments and post a fake apology on twitter.

the guy was a moron par excellence. what he did was terrible and he seemed like a real dick.

he should have requested another roommate or moved out. he should have counseling and several hundred hours of community service (which was offered to him!). Ass-pounding prison is over the top. Even 1 year in prison leaves an indelible mark on one. He's done. And, I'm not sure if you know anything about Indian culture, but his family will be shamed to extreme degrees. It is best that they stay here and he gets shipped off to India to live with relatives. Going to prison is almost like a death sentence for the family; nobody will include them in gatherings, social events, or even friendships. They will be ostracized in the community (in India) if it is known that "your child went to prison/jail".

Going to jail and ruining your chastity (if you're a girl) are two of the most grievous things that can happen to a family; the shame brought down on them are at times unbearable and it leads to the so-called "honor" killings. Of course, that is not likely in this case but Dharun will be looked upon as a cur by his family and relatives.

The verdict should've been:

 

[Infohawk]

Justice for non-whites in America is non-existent unless the said person was very wealthy and/or famous. Even then, look at the billionaire Rajaratnam; 11 years for "sharing information". You think the bankers on wall street all these decades haven't engaged in insider trading?

It sounds like you're saying white people are never charged with insider trading. The government bent over backwards to make an example out of Martha Stewart, who was a rich white celebrity. There may be room to prosecute more people but race isn't really a factor there.

lol.. the really sad part of it all was that the chief prosecuting attorney for that case was Indian!

So what? Like many honorable Americans of Indian descent he was probably doing the right thing and doing his job without basing his actions on whether people share his national origin. Why in the world would he go easy on a defendant because he was Indian?