Development on Clinton Email Probe?

[K1052]

Information on her server was classified at the time. Information on her server was classified at the time by other classification authorities.



This means that either the IC didn't mark their information or that some nebulous force of the interwebs removed the classification information before unreasonable people discussed it over a server in a bathroom.

AFAIK, unless it can be proved that they knowingly and intentionally transferred classified info I don't think there is an indictment. Which seems to be what the FBI Director just told us.

 

[fskimospy]

You tell me, I'm all ears. I'm not responding to anything without a citation ie "real data" because your sophistry is boring.

IF "not illegal"
THEN "why pardon?"

I for one am totally shocked that you clam up when someone busts you for an obvious attempt at deception. You won't answer because you don't have an answer.

If you find being called out for lying boring then you have an easy way to alleviate it. Lie less!

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry, I assumed that people in AT were moderately technically savvy. What do you think a personal email server is? Do you believe that a "personal email server" is technically any different from a home PC? In point of fact, it's probably less secure than your home PC.

And you conveniently ignore this :

And here's what you're relying on :

Gross negligence is the conscious and voluntary disregard for reasonable care. I sincerely doubt 'they should have known to talk about that elsewhere' would come close to meeting that standard.

Hence why no sane prosecutor would file charges.

 

[Perknose]

Sorry, I assumed that people in AT were moderately technically savvy. What do you think a personal email server is? Do you believe that a "personal email server" is technically any different from a home PC? In point of fact, it's probably less secure than your home PC.

Straw man or just stupid? Which are you? Here's what I said:

Each one of the others knowingly purloined classified info from a "secure server" to their home computers.

Hilary Clinton did no such thing. Got that?

 

[Knowing]

AFAIK, unless it can be proved that they knowingly and intentionally transferred classified info I don't think there is an indictment. Which seems to be what the FBI Director just told us.

Just unreasonably bad judgement, a number of recoverable work related emails as well as unrecoverable emails. EDIT: also a series of lies and weaselly worded half truths.

I for one am totally shocked that you clam up when someone busts you for an obvious attempt at deception. You won't answer because you don't have an answer.

If you find being called out for lying boring then you have an easy way to alleviate it. Lie less!

No citation then? Also, you can't prove intent to deceive because you didn't provide any evidence of your claim. See, I can pretend to be Hillary too.

 

[Guurn]

As I said before, I was wrong about the indictment. I've got her new Motto ..Hillary 2016: Reckless and incompetent, but you can't prove she was felonious.

 

[First]

A giant nothing burger, as predicted.

I wonder when the wingnut partisans will start realizing their poor judgment is what's duping them, and it's no one else's fault but their own.

 

[fskimospy]

Just unreasonably bad judgement, a number of recoverable work related emails as well as unrecoverable emails. EDIT: also a series of lies and weaselly worded half truths.

No citation then? Also, you can't prove intent to deceive because you didn't provide any evidence of your claim. See, I can pretend to be Hillary too.

I guess the ATPN Department of Justice won't be pressing charges against you then, haha. I'm perfectly content with just showing what a liar you are.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is an audible rumble as the heads of am radio listeners explode all across the nation.

They're still chumps, easier to catch than Gunnison river trout during the stone fly hatch.

Few will honestly reflect on the last several years or even try to understand why they fall for it every time- Birtherism, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS & this load of bullshit. Whatever the right wing noise machine comes up with next they'll fall for that, too.

Witness Donald J Trump.

 

[Jaskalas]

They are not.

Then we have some folks to pardon.

 

[First]

Sorry, I assumed that people in AT were moderately technically savvy. What do you think a personal email server is? Do you believe that a "personal email server" is technically any different from a home PC? In point of fact, it's probably less secure than your home PC.

You can't seriously believe this. How is a home PC running a Home version of Windows more secure than an Exchange server running a (presumably) hardened Windows Server software?

 

[Knowing]

I guess the ATPN Department of Justice won't be pressing charges against you then, haha. I'm perfectly content with just showing what a liar you are.

I'm perfectly content with you calling me a liar while providing no evidence of the original assertion that I allegedly lied about or any evidence that any lie ever took place. Your elementary school playground has pretty good wifi tho, congrats.

 

[fskimospy]

Then we have some folks to pardon.

Can you provide examples? I don't know what else to tell you other than that simple possession of top secret information is not an offense. It is fairly likely that at some point in your life you have owned or communicated information that was classified top secret, btw. Should you have been prosecuted? If not, why?

 

[buckshot24]

I'm perfectly content with you calling me a liar while providing no evidence of the original assertion that I allegedly lied about or any evidence that any lie ever took place. Your elementary school playground has pretty good wifi tho, congrats.

That is his favorite move in his playbook.

 

[wetech]

I haven't followed every twist and turn of this but if the information was not classified (or known to be classified) at the time transferred or was retroactively classified during the subsequent probe I don't believe that would trip her up on the statute.

Also in his statement
- Markings do not matter
- SoS and her staff should have known the materials were classified, regardless of markings.
- Some emails were actually marked.
- Some emails were classified at time of sending / receiving; not after the fact.

 

[buckshot24]

As I said before, I was wrong about the indictment. I've got her new Motto ..Hillary 2016: Reckless and incompetent, but you can't prove she was felonious.

At least she's got that going for her. haha

 

[fskimospy]

I'm perfectly content with you calling me a liar while providing no evidence of the original assertion that I allegedly lied about or any evidence that any lie ever took place. Your elementary school playground has pretty good wifi tho, congrats.

Great then! The thread speaks for itself.

If you ever care to offer a reason why you knowingly omitted highly relevant information that actually contradicted the point you were trying to make with your example then I would love to hear it. I sincerely doubt you will!

 

[Knowing]

Great then! The thread speaks for itself.

If you ever care to offer a reason why you knowingly omitted highly relevant information that actually contradicted the point you were trying to make with your example then I would love to hear it. I sincerely doubt you will!

There was no citation of the claim. There still hasn't been despite repeated requests. It is becoming more clear with every post that the accuser has no intention of acting in anything resembling good will, as such I feel no obligation to continue responding until the good faith effort of a citation is provided.

 

[fskimospy]

There was no citation of the claim. There still hasn't been despite repeated requests. It is becoming more clear with every post that the accuser has no intention of acting in anything resembling good will, as such I feel no obligation to continue responding until the good faith effort of a citation is provided.

Speaking of boring sophistry, lol.

 

[werepossum]

The Comey transcript: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

For those demanding that people eat crow for suggesting her activities were illegal:

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

For those alleging that there is no evidence that her server was hacked and even that her email was likely more secure than States':

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

 

[K1052]

Also in his statement
- Markings do not matter
- SoS and her staff should have known the materials were classified, regardless of markings.
- Some emails were actually marked.
- Some emails were classified at time of sending / receiving; not after the fact.

Three out of the four of those seem problematic if you intend to bring prosecution. A judge is also rather likely take scope and intent into account on the 3rd item. Considering that the FBI could also find no evidence of concealment this outcome isn't really surprising. This would not be a strong hand for an indictment.

 

[FerrelGeek]

So to sum it all up, Hillary being too careless or stupid translates into 'no intent'. Fine and dandy. So, this November we have a choice between a massively boorish dbag and a total incompetent can't grasp the notion that she should stay on the side obvious compliance with law vs pushing the line. We are so f*cked as a nation.

 

[sportage]

See the announcement by Paul Ryan after the FBI released NO CHARGES?

Ryan statement: "while I respect the FBI, this decision is ridiculous."

For those that need translation for what Ryan meant, Ryan actually meant:
WHILE I RESPECT THE FBI, THEY DROPPED THE BALL.
SO....... NOW MY REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WILL CONDUCT OUR OWN INVESTIGATION.
WE WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD CONCERNING CHARGES OR NO CHARGES.
NATURALLY, WE WILL FIND CHARGES.

And THAt is how it goes.
They never see things but through their twisted corrupt republican vision. Or envisions.
Nuff said?

 

[Slew Foot]

Of course no ones going to prosecute a Clinton. You want to die of a mysterious "suicide"?

 

[ivwshane]

So to sum it all up, Hillary being too careless or stupid translates into 'no intent'. Fine and dandy. So, this November we have a choice between a massively boorish dbag and a total incompetent can't grasp the notion that she should stay on the side obvious compliance with law vs pushing the line. We are so f*cked as a nation.

So fucked!! The world is going to end and I'm going to die throwing the biggest temper tantrum!
/S


Considering that the state department computers were hacked and hers were not, I'd say any incompetence in handling classified material you are whining about are negated by her competence in keeping that material safe!