Deus EX: Mankind Dividied system specs revealed

[Maverick177]

Double standards is the reason why AMD is in this place and has zero market share in high end PC products.

A Fury X is required to get PS4 image quality on PC at 1080p that much coding is gone bad in Gaming Evolve Title on PC.

Rise of the Tomb Raider was sponsored by nvidia, same publisher, same company, which ported on PC had sales of 1 million PC and 90% of positive reviews.

3rd time this year AMD evolve game is negative review and sale bombed on PC because they are forcing developers to code for DX12 and ditch DX11.

A Fury X is required to get PS4 image quality on PC at 1080p that much coding is gone bad in Gaming Evolve Title on PC.

Source?

Rise of the Tomb Raider was sponsored by nvidia, same publisher, same company, which ported on PC had sales of 1 million PC and 90% of positive reviews

DX12 path is utterly broken.

3rd time this year AMD evolve game is negative review and sale bombed on PC because they are forcing developers to code for DX12 and ditch DX11.

Again, source?

Also, Deus Ex Mankind Divided is a much much better game than Rise of the Tomb Raider. Maybe tone down the trolling a little bit? To the mod: This is not a personal attack.

 

[Maverick177]

So can you tell me why The division and Mirror Edge 2 is running well on AMD?

Do they have Gimpworks?

 

[Unreal123]

Please do help me listing AAA games released from June 'till now.

Edit: it's not 5%, try 12%

This is the real user experience and benchmark.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18746487

 

[Maverick177]

This is the real user experience and benchmark.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18746487

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Unreal123]

Source?



DX12 path is utterly broken.



Again, source?

Also, Deus Ex Mankind Divided is a much much better game than Rise of the Tomb Raider. Maybe tone down the trolling a little bit? To the mod: This is not a personal attack.

How old are you?

Rise of the Tomb Raider
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/rise-of-the-tomb-raider

Deus EX mankind Divided
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided


look at the user review on steam and on sites.

 

[Maverick177]

How old are you?

Rise of the Tomb Raider
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/rise-of-the-tomb-raider

Deus EX mankind Divided
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided


look at the user review on steam and on sites.

Again, I have to wonder your childish mentality here. Read the reviews, not just looking at the score.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that Rise of the Tomb Raider is out for 7 months now and Deus Ex was only released yesterday.

 

[Carfax83]

Why do you keep repeating this? AMD has no competitor to GTX1070/1080 because Vega isn't out so where are you getting the comparisons that NV has the edge? GTX1060 loses to RX 480 in every single benchmark of this game I've seen online, scripted or not.

I wasn't specifically referring to the RX480 when I replied to ThatBuzzKiller. I was speaking generally, and going by the PCGH.de review, NVidia does have an edge over AMD in Prague, because that area is fairly CPU dependent. Though that's not to take any thunder away from the RX480, as it's a marvelous card indeed as it was outperforming a GTX 980 in the PCGH.de review.

Even PCGameshardware doesn't paint NV in a good light at all, unless we are talking about 1080/Titan XP.

I would add the GTX 980 Ti and the GTX 1070 as well. The former is beating the Fury X by 27% in minimums at 1440p, and the latter by 22%.

7970 won the generation > 680
7970Ghz/R9 280X won the generation > 680/770
R9 290 won the generation > 780
R9 290X won the generation > 780Ti
R9 390 won the generation > 970
Fury won the generation > 980

It's clear that AMD having such a dominating presence in the consoles, is having an effect on steering the development of game technology towards increased compute dependency. Kepler's weakness with compute is what sunk it, and although Maxwell has much greater compute performance than Kepler, NVidia's focus on mobile first prevented them from really boosting the clock speeds aggressively to really devastate AMD..

Luckily they learned from their mistake with Pascal, as Pascal has much higher clock speeds and even greater compute performance than Maxwell.

Another manual run with RX 480 getting 60 fps average and 1060 only 53 fps. All the benches leaked online are probably the best case for NV because if DX12 adds more performance, GCN is going to benefit more from it than Maxwell or Pascal.

Let's look at it with context. The GTX 1060 uses less power than the RX 480, and has way less ALUs though they are clocked higher. The GTX 1060 is an amazing card for the performance per watt bracket that it targets. Regarding DX12, it depends on how skillfully it is implemented. Just going to DX12 doesn't necessarily grant a performance increase. Case in point, look at Hitman and Rise of the Tomb Raider. Both games in DX12 run slower than they do in DX11 for NVidia. For AMD there is a performance boost yes, but even with DX12, AMD is still significantly slower than NVidia in DX11. Total Warhammer is the exact same:

Only with Ashes of the Singularity do we see a large performance increase going to DX12. So basically, DX12 isn't just some buy word. It's a powerful low level API that very few developers will probably be able to master..

The fact that 1060 is already losing to RX 480 in big titles like Doom and DE:MD is a sign that we don't even need to wait 1.5-2 years to see that 1060 is unlikely to age well, continuing the tradition of 2012+ NV GPUs.

GTX 1060 destroys RX 480 in OpenGL in Doom. With Vulkan, it's reversed, but only because Vulkan uses GCN shader intrinsics which is basically like console optimizations that can directly map to the hardware. Until ID implement the NVidia shader intrinsics, it's not a fair comparison. When they do, and you can be sure they will, then we can come to a final decision.

That said, I think AMD's Gaming Evolved program leaves much to be desired. The graphics effects like CHS are second rate compared to what you find with NVidia's Gameworks..

Deus Ex Mankind Divided would have been a better looking game, and probably even a better performing game had it been a GW title rather than a GE title.

 

[Red Hawk]

Yes a game ,which is bombed in steam with negative reviews, and the sales has gone down. A AMD gaming evolve game running better on RX 480 is dam good surprise for AMD user.

You post any game in which RX 480 is winning by GTX 1060 in gameworks title.

"Bombed", right. Pointing at user reviews the day after the game's release is kind of laughable. I doubt many of the users posting reviews have even finished the game. And much of the negative reaction seems to be focused on the mictrotransactions, which is...really peripheral, in my opinion. It's a disservice to the actual story and gameplay to focus on the unobtrusive microtransactions.

A Fury X is required to get PS4 image quality on PC at 1080p that much coding is gone bad in Gaming Evolve Title on PC.

A Fury X ,which is market as a 4K card is now on par with PS4 image quality with only few FPS better, which is acceptable to AMD user because at least it is breaking Nvidia cards that much desperation is their.

U wot? PS4 does not match PC Ultra settings at 1080p. That's some BS right there.

I dont care about it, we are talking about Deus EX here and the "GE does not cripple the competition" when that is not what i see there.

This GE title is running on DX11 now, so no magical excuses about DX12, and some NV cards misteriusly performs 1 tier lower than what is expected, like in Hitman DX11. What a coincidence.

Could just be the engine. MK's Dawn engine is derived from Hitman's Glacier engine, after all.

 

[escrow4]

Testing a scripted benchmark is just slack, in game my Strix 1070 easily hits 60+ on the Very High preset with textures and volumetric lighting set to Ultra. Some stutters down to 50ish, but is remarkably stable.

 

[Maverick177]

Testing a scripted benchmark is just slack, in game my Strix 1070 easily hits 60+ on the Very High preset with textures and volumetric lighting set to Ultra. Some stutters down to 50ish, but is remarkably stable.

Samething with FuryX

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Does NVidia have these extensions as well?

Yes they do but it should be noted in the preview for shader model 6 that it favours AMD's implementation over other IHVs but it's still portable enough for it to work on their hardware ...

If ordered append gets into the final release of shader model 6 it could potentially pose as a serious slow path for Intel and Nvidia ...

SM6 and DX12 needs more console features that are already exposed in Vulkan by AMD like out of order raster, explicit vertex data parameters in pixel shaders, trinary ops, and cube instrinsics. It would also be nice to get 64-bit atomics and in the future they could focus other goodies like sub-Dword addressing or data-parallel primitives

 

[Erenhardt]

GTX 1080 is 37% faster overall at 1440p, and that's before overclock.

That is only when you have gameworks games included in the score that put AMD cards 2 tiers below their actual competition, crippling furyX below 980 performance.

So can you tell me why The division and Mirror Edge 2 is running well on AMD?

After some patches it is not bad. But I would like to remind you on the release we saw Fury battling it out with 970. Get your facts straight.

Fury X performing nearly like GTX1080, R8 Nano performing like GTX1070, and GTX970 performing like 380X, if that ist "cripple the competition" i dont know what it is. And that is VHQ, so there should be not VRAM issues there.

It is the ugly side of nvidia hardware being behind the curve.

 

[AtenRa]

GTX 1080 is 37% faster overall at 1440p, and that's before overclock. So no, Fury X coming close in DX11 is not normal. Performance on NVIDIA cards is way below what you would expect compared to the competition, and that's before the DX12 patch cripples them further. You can't criticize GameWorks and ignore what the competitor does as well.

So GTX 1080 is 37% faster in NVIDIAs Gameworks titles and that is OK but when it is on par with Fury X on AMDs Gaming we have a problem ??

Lets do a review with 10 AMD Gaming Evolved and any DX-12/Vulkan titles and see what happens.

 

[AtenRa]

3rd time this year AMD evolve game is negative review and sale bombed on PC because they are forcing developers to code for DX12 and ditch DX11.

I wonder where did you see the negative reviews ??

Steam
http://store.steampowered.com/app/337000/

Positive (2,534) 64.9%
Negative (1,370) 35.1%

Metacritic
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided

Metascore 82
user score 6.1


99% of the negative reviews are for the micro transactions and not for the game it self.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I wonder where did you see the negative reviews ??

Steam
http://store.steampowered.com/app/337000/

Positive (2,534) 64.9%
Negative (1,370) 35.1%

Metacritic
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided

Metascore 82
user score 6.1

Do you consider 1/3rd of the reviews negative and 6.1 user score to be good?

The ratio if you compare with yesterday seems to be a growth of negative reviews and a declining user score.

 

[Carfax83]

So far, it's a good game and I don't regret buying it. The only thing is, there are quite a bit of graphics related bugs. Just saw on NeoGaf that there's now another bug with shadows. On very high, the shadow rendering seems to be messed up. The ambient occlusion setting on very high also introduces a shimmering effect that isn't there when it's just turned to on.

So it's disappointing that the higher graphical settings actually degrade IQ rather than enhance it.

Very high setting:

High setting:

 

[AtenRa]

Do you consider 1/3rd of the reviews negative and 6.1 user score to be good?

The ratio if you compare with yesterday seems to be a growth of negative reviews and a declining user score.

As you can see by yourself,
99% of the negative reviews are for the micro transactions and not for the game it self.

 

[ShintaiDK]

As you can see by yourself,
99% of the negative reviews are for the micro transactions and not for the game it self.

Are they? Or is it just what you assume.

I see a lot complaining about crashes and performance.

 

[Azix]

Why would you deprive yourself of a gaming experience just to wait for a DX12 codepath that won't add any additional gfx features?

more like waiting for optimal experience. Smoother fps etc. As long as it runs better.

Do you consider 1/3rd of the reviews negative and 6.1 user score to be good?

The ratio if you compare with yesterday seems to be a growth of negative reviews and a declining user score.

people are crying about microtransactions that have no effect on single player experience. People cry for no reason really. MTs are bad when its pay to win or affects gameplay unavoidably. MTs just for people who want them is nothing. Being annoyed about the extra missions in dlc is fair

 

[AtenRa]

Are they? Or is it just what you assume.

I see a lot complaining about crashes and performance.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/deus-ex-mankind-divided

To be clear have bought and played this game (though I haven't finished it) so I've seen all this first hand.
I'm writing a review early to warn potential buyers and to make a serious statement to Square Enix that their business practices are NOT OK
Micro transactions are bad enough,

Thank everything that's good for steam refunds.
I may love the original game and liked the Human Revolution, but I also would not like to support companies with ingame stores in 50 euros singleplayer games, in fact in any singleplayer game.

No full-priced game should have microtransactions and release day DLC.
You may wonder I why I bother posting this. I want publishers to know that I would be willing to pay full price for a game such as this, if it were complete.

Season Pass+ Microtransactions+ not very long for a rpg. Wait for the base game to drop to 20-30€, then it will be a fair price for the whole package

Microtransactions.
That's how you cheapen an incredible franchise.
No matter how good this game is, all I see is how they've now gone "that" route.
So much for all the praise I gave this company over the years.

Say no to microtrtansactions and half arsed console ports. It really sucks when franchises that only exist because of pc are not given a respectable effort on the pc version.

No full priced game should contain microtransactions OR day 1 DLC. It is insulting.

MICRO-TRANSACTIONS!!! Do not support this game, we don't want to encourage micro-transactions to take over in console or PC gaming.
The game is also unforgivably short. 30 hours for all content and side quests. It is ridiculous. This game is dead to me.

Do i need to post more ???

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do i need to post more ???

To show its 99%? Absolutely. Posting 7 out of 1370+metacritic negative reviews shows nothing. Try look in the steam reviews and see what you find of crashes and performance issues. Sure people complain about microtransactions, but its far from its only flaw.

 

[moonbogg]

Just saw the Guru3D review of the game. Fury X beating 1070 and not far behind 1080. Gotta love that AMD longevity. I give them that for sure. 980ti getting smoked by an R9 nano.

 

[AtenRa]

To show its 99%? Absolutely. Posting 7 out of 1370+metacritic negative reviews shows nothing. Try look in the steam reviews and see what you find of crashes and performance issues. Sure people complain about microtransactions, but its far from its only flaw.

The following are the last negative reviews in Steam, all about the in-store micro transactions and DLC

http://store.steampowered.com/app/337000/

This Message is addressed to the Publisher who make us pay for day 1 DLC and only allowed to use it
ONCE

TL;DR : The Game itself is a great game, if you played Deus Ex Human Revolution, this IS DE:HR but better

Hoooly hell I never thought I'd have to do this. I have to give this game a negative review.


Microtransactions in singleplayer. You can buy upgrades and credits for real money.

It's finally here! The newest installment of the Deus Ex franchise is a lot of fun. The gameplay is fun and pretty well done, there's a lot of exploration to be done and secrets to be found. The game feels a lot less linear than Human Revolution, and so far the story is well told. Gone are the clunky boss fights that ruined HR, playing a pacifist playthrough is very fun and finding a shortcut or alternate path to an objective feels very rewarding.

Graphics wise, the game looks like a more polished version of its predecessor. Some people are reporting significant graphical issues, however I have been pretty lucky and have had no trouble running the game on ultra (GTX980). Your mileage may vary.

However, none of this matters because Square Enix has absolutely ruined the game with their disgusting microtransactions.

After a decade of gaming, this is the first time I've felt compelled to write a review.

The gameplay is nice, graphics are pretty, story is... enough, I guess.

I'm refunding this game because of the microtransactions in singleplayer mode.

Microtransactions in a full priced game, console port mouse acceleration issues, can't adjust mouse sensitivity without going over or under what you want.

I never asked for this.

Pay to win Single Player Game WTF

Can't recommend the game with the inclusion of an in-game store that sells CONSUMABLE items which never return.

I'm sorry but, not matter how much you think the microtransactions shop, "Doesn't matter", the only way to respond to the preditory, mobile games type marketing, is to downvote this strongly.

I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.

THESE MICROTRANSACTIONS, I MEAN.

I think this will be the first game I ask a refund for...

Here's a rundown of the issues I'm having right now.

1-For some reason, it irks me to know that the pre-order DLC's are one use only. I don't really care, seeing how I probably won't be using them, but I don't like the modus operandi. Shady practices, especially when it wasn't mentioned when I pre-ordered. False advertising is a blight in gaming right now.

DLC and in game store are absurd and insulting. Charging full price for a game then trying to extract extra money with in game purchases is just plain greedy.

 

[linkgoron]

To show its 99%? Absolutely. Posting 7 out of 1370+metacritic negative reviews shows nothing. Try look in the steam reviews and see what you find of crashes and performance issues. Sure people complain about microtransactions, but its far from its only flaw.

There are only 31 user reviews in Metacritic.

All the negative reviews except 1 (out of 18 that are in English) mention Micro transactions/DLC and DRM in their main/top problems with the game. That's around 94%. Would you be happy if he said 90%+ instead of 99%?

Either way, I'm not sure what your case is. It's obvious that the vast majority of negative reviews are about DLC/DRM/Micro transacation, and not about the gameplay itself.

 

[stuff_me_good]

There are only 31 user reviews in Metacritic.

All the negative reviews except 1 (out of 18 that are in English) mention Micro transactions/DLC and DRM in their main/top problems with the game. That's around 94%. Would you be happy if he said 90%+ instead of 99%?

Either way, I'm not sure what your case is. It's obvious that the vast majority of negative reviews are about DLC/DRM/Micro transacation, and not about the gameplay itself.

Don't worry brother, just ignore that mentally constricted dude. He just like's to come crap on every AMD related thread without doing his homework first.