Deus Ex : Invisible War

[apoppin]

Better than the original? THAT got your attention.
i really think so.

i am about 3/4 way through the game and it IS better than the original.

How many of you just dropped the game because of it's "unplayability"?

Patch 1.2 addresses most of the crashing problems - it will still exit to desktop about every 2 hours but runs smoothly on my 3.3Ghz P4/9800xt/1gb PC3500 - 10x7; all details hi; bloom 'on' and 2xAA (NO vsynch) and some AF.

looks beautiful and . . . BEST OF ALL . . .

the STORY is GREAT . . . it covers the original game and is a "true" sequel (with ALL of the gameplay intact).

there is also smaller maps; more LOGIC to the (pointless) "running around" of the original and less 'apparant linearity'.

the ONLY problem i can see is that is STARTS so damn slow and is hard to 'get into' (like the original).

:thumbsup:

 

[JellyBaby]

apoppin!

This game is still very much on my listl. Waiting to upgrade my PC (where are the damn PCIx 6800 GTs?!). Then it's time for Thief 3, DX IW, Knights of the Old Republic and other goodies I've missed this year...too bad it'll take me all of 2005 to finish them!

Very good to hear you're enjoying it. I did in fact notice most opinions have been "so so" on this one. But your gaming tastes are close to mine (Alice, though, hmmm ) so I have high hopes...

 

[LongCoolMother]

i agree. at first i thought it was crappy, but after giving it a little time it turned out very enjoyable. i dont know if its better than the original, since i thoroughly enjoyed the original. i didnt think invisible war was as balanced/detailed, but i still think its definately worth a complete play-through.

 

[mundane]

I picked it up when EB had it for $10 - for that price, I thought it was an good game. I played (and worshipped) the original, so this sequel had some rather large shoes to fill. By the end, I found it ... acceptable, when compared to the first. I don't think it deserved the horrible reputation people gave to it, but it still didn't measure up to DX. I think what I missed most were the skills. And the biomods were awarded too easily - getting to level three for each should've been a challenge, not easy. I also enjoyed the wandering around the cities in the first one. That helped make it a longer experience - I didn't enjoy the <10 hour game, even with all subquests.

Worth a play through, definately (at the right price). I prefer the original over this, though.

 

[Mem]

How many of you just dropped the game because of it's "unplayability"?

I finished the game quite awhile ago,I thought it was about the same as the first one,not a bad game but I enjoyed KOTOR more.


I do hope they release System Shock 3,since I enjoyed the System Shock series more then the Deus Ex games.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: apoppin
How many of you just dropped the game because of it's "unplayability"?

Me. 1.2 still didn't help my framerate issues, nor the sound cutting out. Maybe I'll get it for Xbox.

- M4H

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Mem

How many of you just dropped the game because of it's "unplayability"?

I finished the game quite awhile ago,I thought it was about the same as the first one,not a bad game but I enjoyed KOTOR more.


I do hope they release System Shock 3,since I enjoyed the System Shock series more then the Deus Ex games.

Havent you heard about Bioshock?!

 

[Mem]

Havent you heard about Bioshock?!

Yep looks promising,info here on Bioshock.

 

[BFG10K]

I enjoyed DEIW more than the original too and in fact I've just recently finished the game for the second time and I enjoyed it even more.

My review of the game.

Edit: there are spoilers in that thread.

 

[Jumpem]

It was way too buggy for me. It would randomly crash. I don't think it was my PC because everything else worked fine.

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: Mem

Havent you heard about Bioshock?!

Yep looks promising,info here on Bioshock.

YES!!!! I have not heard of this. Man I need to go and finish SS2. I never quite got into it. Man I'm pumped!

 

[kEnToNjErOmE]

I couldn't get into the first one but the second one is phat.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: apoppin
How many of you just dropped the game because of it's "unplayability"?

Me. 1.2 still didn't help my framerate issues, nor the sound cutting out. Maybe I'll get it for Xbox.

- M4H

Originally posted by: Jumpem
It was way too buggy for me. It would randomly crash. I don't think it was my PC because everything else worked fine.

One thing that made the biggest difference was V-Synch. "OFF" was mandatory to keep it running right.

ALSO, you cannot have BOTH "bloom" and (much) "AA" or your FPS will suffer (unless you have an X800 or 6800GT, i guess from the way DE-IW runs on my 9800xt).

i am glad to see others are enjoying the game . . . . ONCE you get a couple of hours into it.

Yes, it DOES have its FLAWS . . . . (so did the original) . . . . but with the game running smoothly from the patch it is a GREAT ten (plus) hours (more like 20 for me - at least 2x longer than Doom III)

something to get/do - in the bargain bin - until HL/2 is out!

:thumbsup:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I enjoyed DEIW more than the original too and in fact I've just recently finished the game for the second time and I enjoyed it even more.

My review of the game.

Edit: there are spoilers in that thread.

Your review is pretty cool!


and that forum is . . . . .

. . . . um, well . . . . i thought ours was unusual.
:shocked:

i think people need to stop thinking "Deus Ex II"

it is a superb game on its own that references the original.

it really reminds me of Thief - Series (duh)
. . . . where the latest is my favorite.

in both Thief II and DE there was way too much "running around" . . . . the latest are more concise and gets to action more quickly . . . . .

 

[zodder]

I loved this game. I enjoy quest-based play and I thought they did a good job making it interesting and worthwhile.

 

[BFG10K]

and that forum is . . . . . . . . . um, well . . . . i thought ours was unusual.

The thread got a little derailed on page 2 but I've managed to steer it back on track.

 

[skace]

I played it all the way through without any patches. My vote is for deffinitely not better than the original.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: skace
I played it all the way through without any patches. My vote is for deffinitely not better than the original.

the 'better than the original" was to get your attention.
without the patches? :shocked: no WONDER! - that sucker would crash every few minutes. . . .
:roll:

my point was that it is also a very good game - much maligned (rightly due to performance issues) when it first came out.


When i read that some people played it in 8-10 hours - its gotta SUCK.
This is a game to take your time with - and you will discover some real "gems."

let me give you an example:

*************SPOILER AHEAD**************************


Near the end, you meet up with your pilot Sid and he is becoming an Omar. You have many choices - one to pay him to avoid his "operation" . . . . i tried (everything else first, then) "it's your own damn fault". He went crazy and ran off . . . . IF you FOLLOW him, he kills the Omar and thanks you for helping him with his "decision" and will be your "standby pilot" . . . a very unusual twist and highly enjoyable.

****END Spoiler****

it is a very intellegent plot and quite engrossing . . . . (i'm on the last evel and exploring the alternate endings).

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: - way UP!

 

[Fern]

Hi Mark!

I recently started playing DX:IW, but was pushed aside by my 8 yr old son who seems to be enjoying it. Which is a bit unusual because he seems to prefer RTS games like War Craft and Rise of Nations etc. This leaves me thinking their ploy to get a younger audience than the original worked (the whole Xbox thing). So, without having played much I'm thinking this is going to be "DX lite". Again, too early to tell.

Haven't had any real tech issues with the game. Am using the patch 1.2 and the high Res mods. Still the gfx look dated after Far Cry and D3. Of course, thats to be expected.

One tech thingy that strikes me as odd: Had to back down on the OC of my 9800 pro, had minor (but annoying) artifacting at XT speeds. Odd, since D3 didn't and it was supposed to have such probs w/OC'd hardware. Anyway no effect on the game as my FPS are fine.

Fern

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fern
Hi Mark!

I recently started playing DX:IW, but was pushed aside by my 8 yr old son who seems to be enjoying it. Which is a bit unusual because he seems to prefer RTS games like War Craft and Rise of Nations etc. This leaves me thinking their ploy to get a younger audience than the original worked (the whole Xbox thing). So, without having played much I'm thinking this is going to be "DX lite". Again, too early to tell.

Haven't had any real tech issues with the game. Am using the patch 1.2 and the high Res mods. Still the gfx look dated after Far Cry and D3. Of course, thats to be expected.

One tech thingy that strikes me as odd: Had to back down on the OC of my 9800 pro, had minor (but annoying) artifacting at XT speeds. Odd, since D3 didn't and it was supposed to have such probs w/OC'd hardware. Anyway no effect on the game as my FPS are fine.

Fern

i don't think it is a bit "dumb downed" over the original. The story is engrossing - for adults - quite a bit of well-thought out "future-philosophy". However, it does start "slow" (and gets better and better and better . . . exactly the opposite with Doom III).

The gfx are good . . . . however, Thief III's lighting and shadows are better using less resources, so i guess the engine is improved.

Last night i just played through 3 of the 4 possible endings (i'm still working on the last one - i burned my bridges long ago with the religious fanatic faction, so i had to go back quite a few "saves").

ONE of the endings is a real SURPRISE (i didn't see it coming). . . . i actually laughed out loud when i saw who benefitted . . . . and it a genuine conclusion to the original.

i am really looking forward to DE III
(although i will wait for the reviews/patch)

 

[faZZter]

This was a great game, not sure if I agree that it's better than the first one though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: faZZter
This was a great game, not sure if I agree that it's better than the first one though.

i made it pretty clear (i thought) that it was to grab attention.

(cheap, i know) :roll:

ANYWAY, there are some clear advantages of IW over the original:

1) GFX (undisputed) . . . come a long way
2) A.I. . . . . the original was STUPID (compared to this one . . . . which isn't "great")
3) tighter maps and better non-linear goals (the original was lots of wasted 'running around')
4) Better story . . . . well thought out and a "conclusion" to the original.
5) Weapons (i LOVED the spy drone and guided missiles) . . . . i didn't realize i could take out Templars and Illumanati with the drone until Liberty Island.
6) Better mods


Anyway, i just finished all four alternate endings tonight and played through a couple of others AGAIN - just 'cause it was so fun.

GREAT endings! Pretty much what i expected from 3 but was totally surprised - but should have seen it coming - with "renegade".
:shocked:

HIGHly recommended. 8.5 out of 10
Both :thumbsup: :thumbsup: . . . . waay UP!

(for comparison, Thief - Deadly Shadows got 9 out of 10 and Doom III got 3 out of 10 from me)

 

[mundane]

WE MUST DISSENT =)

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: faZZter
This was a great game, not sure if I agree that it's better than the first one though.

i made it pretty clear (i thought) that it was to grab attention.

(cheap, i know) :roll:

ANYWAY, there are some clear advantages of IW over the original:

1) GFX (undisputed) . . . come a long way
2) A.I. . . . . the original was STUPID (compared to this one . . . . which isn't "great")
3) tighter maps and better non-linear goals (the original was lots of wasted 'running around')

I think that's subjective. I can't offer a direct comparison, but these maps felt smaller. The Statue of Liberty and Antrarctica both seemed kinda half-assed to me. Even the archology and Egypt didn't feel alive like some of the original locales felt. The goals were just as linear, if not more so (do objective A using stealth, technology, or weapons - same as the original). I thought the running around (non-combat portions, if you will) were just as good as the combat parts. You eventually got a feeling of the environment and culture of the locals, and, to be honest, it made the game longer. I honestly enjoyed wandering around HQ and gleaning little pieces of intelligence that I tried to make sense of on my own.

4) Better story . . . . well thought out and a "conclusion" to the original.

I thought it was better done in the first. The story was original, working to uncover the massive conspiracy(ies), Knights of Templar, Illuminati, etc. The DXIW seemed more or less derivative from that. I believe they broke so much 'new' ground in the first, they had little extra substance to commit to the second. For anyone who played the first, you could more or less tell what was going to happen in the second.

5) Weapons (i LOVED the spy drone and guided missiles) . . . . i didn't realize i could take out Templars and Illumanati with the drone until Liberty Island.

When you run out of ammo, and have ten spare bio energy cells, you improvise =). That's how I cleared the entire area, too.

The drone was in the first one, IIRC. The first one also had a laser guided missile, as well. It had more weapons options, which led to more character cusomization, which influenced your custom play type. For the sake of all that's holy, can we mention skills??

6) Better mods

I don't know of any game modifications, but the bio mods seemed unbalanced in the second. In the original you had to fight tooth and nail to get one, and each installation was a critical choice in defining your character. You worked hard to obtain über mensch status, and even then, you weren't complete king of the hill. There were more varieties, but many less canisters, of which there were way too many in IW.

To each their own. I'm just hoping when/if DX III comes out, it's less a console port and offers deeper gameplay.

 

[Rankor]

I found (the plot and events) in DX 1 to be more believable than the second.

And yes I understand that (DX IW) follows the events immediately after the end of DX 1.

 

[BFG10K]

Near the end, you meet up with your pilot Sid and he is becoming an Omar.

That's Leo, your ex-trainee. I didn't know he kills the Omar though as both times I've given him the money so I could meet up with him on Liberty Island.