Detonator 7.27 drivers....and yes they have HSR!!! :)

[RoboTECH]

Sudheer, yes I own a 5500, and a GTS-U is on the way (heh..)

however, you stated my point. The 7xx drivers ARE very buggy, so before we get all bent out of shape on these 7xx drivers wiht HSR, let's see if they don't suck first.

Not a bad idea, right?

 

[pidge]

"1) He knows more than Pidge + LSD + Compellor + Stickhead + Doomguy + NFS4 all combined. Of course those guys are a joke anyways.
All they do is trash other cards and pretend that Nvidia has no problems. It's really sad when you realize that it's the only way they can feel good about their life. I feel sorry for them."

LOL. Look who is talking Domino. All I try to do is defend worthless claims from clueless people such as yourself that NVIDIA's video cards are crap (did you ever throw away your Geforce 2 GTS like you said you were going to). I am not going to claim that I know more than Dave does but he also does have the advantage of having worked for 3dfx which provide him with all the talking points for selling the voodoo line that he uses in his posts. His comments are also biased and on occasion not truthful but I do give him credit for knowing more than I do when it comes to video cards. And don't worry about me. I just post here to kill some time at work. I don't trash other cards, I never trashed 3dfx or Matrox. I just cleared up some misconceptions about NVIDIA and ATI. That's what you like to do, even though you don't do a very good job of it. I really feel sorry for you.


"2) Since the last several Nvidia drivers have been buggy and unstable, I wouldn't expect these to be any different."

Which would these be? There are two problems with the last drivers which NVIDIA released, problems with KT133 chipsets and Windows ME shutdown problems (and some TV out problems as well with certain video cards). The KT133 chipset was Via's fault which they soon after released a patch. The Windows ME problem was fixed with the 6.34 drivers. The tv out I am not sure of but I have read people claim their TV out didn't work once they updated to Detonator 3. Oh yeah, there was one game which wouldn't work at all but I forgot which game it was. That isn't as bad as you make it out to be. I can assure you there are just as many problems if not more with ATI's Radeon drivers.

 

[DaveB3D]

Well I did some checking (I should do this more often)....

Something is going on in GL in an upcoming driver release. This whole removal matrix thing is a joke though.

I'll get you guys more information shortly.. just thought I'd share this bit for now...

 

[ElFenix]

nvidia will claim that they are doing all the calcs in hardware on their t&l unit, they won't call it software hsr. just like they don't call their fsaa software fsaa. plus, dave had a quote and a link, from who appears to be the diane that nvidia got from matrox. which is better than hardware pretty much ever did. so now you're trying to insult dave for quoting an nvidia employeee... good for you.

pidge : the 7.17 drivers were utter crap.

 

[NFS4]

<< 1) He knows more than Pidge + LSD + Compellor + Stickhead + Doomguy + NFS4 all combined. Of course those guys are a joke anyways.
All they do is trash other cards and pretend that Nvidia has no problems. It's really sad when you realize that it's the only way they can feel good about their life. I feel sorry for them. >>


It's on now. I've read your stuff, and you have seen more flames than just about anyone except for Hardware b/c of your views (a certain 3dfx thread comes to mind). I suggest you get your head out of your ass before you start ragging on people in this hardware community. You don't know us so keep your opinions ABOUT us to your self. If you need to boost your ego by taking people down to your level, that's fine. It just shows how SHALLOW you are.

As for the drivers. The 6.31 drivers are stable as heck. If you're talking about the drivers released after that, they're beta so your point is moot.

As for me liking NVidia. I won't deny it, my last two video cards have been NVidia and for one reason...DRIVERS. I would have gone along with a Radeon this time around but the Win2k drivers were pathetic (which I hear has since changed to the point where they are only 10% slower than the Win9x drivers).

As for 3dfx, I've owned a Canopus Pure3D and a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP. I was VERY happy with both of these cards and loved their speed/compatibility.

It just so happens that this time around that I went with NVidia. As for you DominoBoy, grow up. Better yet, get a life.

 

[Taz4158]

<< 2) Since the last several Nvidia drivers have been buggy and unstable, I wouldn't expect these to be any different.&quot; >>


Certainly buggier than ATIs. They are the model of stability. Again, you've not used a Radeon and until, or if you do, you have no opinion.

 

[Phokus]

so will the new hsr stuff work on a tnt 2 ultra or not? :\

 

[pidge]

&quot;nvidia will claim that they are doing all the calcs in hardware on their t&amp;l unit, they won't call it software hsr. just like they don't call their fsaa software fsaa. plus, dave had a quote and a link, from who appears to be the diane that nvidia got from matrox. which is better than hardware pretty much ever did. so now you're trying to insult dave for quoting an nvidia employeee... good for you.

pidge : the 7.17 drivers were utter crap.&quot;

ElFenix...it was 3dfx who claimed early on that NVIDIA was doing it in software. It is done in hardware although not as nice and elegant as 3dfx's model. Also, the 7.17 drivers were never released to the public. Lets focus on released drivers. You are a moron if you base NVIDIA's driver stability on leaked drivers. The released drivers are not perfect but they are in my opinion better than ATI's latest drivers.

 

[Taz4158]

<< As for me liking NVidia. I won't deny it, my last two video cards have been NVidia and for one reason...DRIVERS. I would have gone along with a Radeon this time around but the Win2k drivers were pathetic (which I hear has since changed to the point where they are only 10% slower than the Win9x drivers). >>


This is true and seeing your posts in the Video section you should really give it a try. Think you'll like it!

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Did anybody get what dave said about the gl improvements? his last post didn't make much sense to me

 

[NFS4]

<< This is true and seeing your posts in the Video section you should really give it a try. Think you'll like it! >>


Well, I'm not gonna give up my 64MB Asus V7700 GeForce 2 GTS (overclocked to 200/400) just to find out But maybe the next time I'm over at Anand's place I'll fire up one with the latest drivers and give it a spin

 

[Sporko]

I just find these little video card wars hilarious. Everyone does realize they're getting all bent out of shape over printed circuit boards don't they? Remember, the Monster/Dragon/Spaceship/Fighter Pilot on the box ain't you.

And some people say they're not influenced by box art.

 

[Pocatello]

Don't you guys have a life, fighting over unreleased drivers?

 

[MaxFPS]

http://pub21.ezboard.com/fzoiahhqnvidiadrivers.showMessage?topicID=766.topic

Hmmm, that property page off that Italian site is fake, according to Zoiah

 

[WetWilly]

Remember, the Monster/Dragon/Spaceship/Fighter Pilot on the box ain't you.

Speak for yourself.

 

[ctll]

why am i here

 

[Compellor]

<< By the way, it's a shame that drivers will never be able to improve the image quality of the GeForce2 cards. I might even keep mine if they could. Unfortunately though, what you see is what you get. It's a real shame. >>



Nothing wrong with my VisionTek GeForce 2 GTS image quality -- 2D and 3D. It might be a bare bones card, but Quake 3 looks beautiful with all settings maxed. Editing images in Photoshop 5.5 look nice and sharp. Perhaps you got a $hit card. The 6.31 OFFICIAL drivers are rock solid stable (the 6.18's were, too). Anyone willing to use beta's are just asking for trouble, but it's real easy to just uninstall them and go back to the OFFICAL drivers.

 

[Daemon_UK]

As I said in a previous post, This is what Nvidia have..

1) Their own top notch enginners
2) Matrox Engineers (they recently stole)
3) Silicon Graphics Engineers ?? (can't remember but Nvidia took some a while ago)
4) Now they have 3DFX Engineers with a wealth of experience..

Good News for ALL

Taken from the Press...

including about 100 design engineers, whom it expects to retain;
Ok so point 4, is not for definate, but whats the other choice, no job?

Nvidia will control 3dfx's forthcoming Rampage graphics chip, due next year,
as well as two further generations in the future that are now in development
and are under evaluation.


Imagine a Card with the ..
Horse Power of the NV20. (that the Nvidia Engineers Built)
8x FSAA of the Voodoo 6000. (that the 3DFX Engineers Add)
Environmetal Bump Mapping. (that Maxtro Engineers Add)
Mosaic Technology. (that the Gigapixel Engineers Add)
2D Better than Matrox..

Note: I wish the forums had a spell check feature

Jesus, Just Imagine what sort of card Nvidia will pop out in the next gen after the NV20... :Q

 

[Thanatopsis]

If there can't be competition between 3dfx and Nvidia, I hope they release both the Rampage and the NV20 around the same time. For lack of anything external competition, at least internal competition may help.

 

[Rectalfier]

If 3dfx and Nvidia can implement HSR so can ATI. All we have to do is wait for ATI's drivers. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, oops

 

[MaxFPS]

<< If there can't be competition between 3dfx and Nvidia, I hope they release both the Rampage and the NV20 around the same time. For lack of anything external competition, at least internal competition may help. >>



This is likely to not happen at all. I believe Jen-Hsun said they will be looking, very soon, at how they can implement Rampage technology into future NVIDIA products.

 

[StickHead]

I'm sorry if I offened any small minded ATI biased knobs by my first post, but the point is before my MX I had Rage 128 and it was a nightmare. For a while I thought that ALL video cards had terriable drivers and worked like half the time. Then I got a MX and good god, what a breath of fresh air. ATI needs to get their driver support together and then they will be much more competitive(more than they are now). You can't tell me that ATi has better drivers than nVidia! Stop kidding yourself! And as for you TAZ(what ever your stupid number is) every post I make you come in and tell me how dumb I am, have I met you on the street before somewhere and kicked your ass? I don't think so. So can you lay off? Your acting like a third grader.

 

[StickHead]

I'm sorry if I offened any small minded ATI biased knobs by my first post, but the point is before my MX I had Rage 128 and it was a nightmare. For a while I thought that ALL video cards had terriable drivers and worked like half the time. Then I got a MX and good god, what a breath of fresh air. ATI needs to get their driver support together and then they will be much more competitive(more than they are now). You can't tell me that ATi has better drivers than nVidia! Stop kidding yourself! And as for you TAZ(what ever your stupid number is) every post I make you come in and tell me how dumb I am, have I met you on the street before somewhere and kicked your ass? I don't think so. So can you lay off? Your acting like a third grader.




~operation mindcrime~

 

[Sugadaddy]

<< 2) Since the last several Nvidia drivers have been buggy and unstable, I wouldn't expect these to be any different. >>


If you're referring to any other drivers than the official ones posted on the nVidia web site, then your point doesn't make any sense. They're beta leaked drivers, how could you expect that they should be 100% stable? If you want stability, get the official drivers, never been buggy. The beta are meant for testing so that when they finally feel the improvements are stable enough, they can release them officially...

 

[Soccerman]

Recalifier

&quot;If 3dfx and Nvidia can implement HSR so can ATI. All we have to do is wait for ATI's drivers.&quot;

lol, you don't have to wait forever for new drivers from ATi to get HSR support. guess what? ATi beat nVidia and 3dfx to the punch.

guess what? that's NOT why it's able to compete against a GTS so well with such little power!

guess what? it's been covered in Anandtech reviews.