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[bearxor]

Thing is, there's been a jailbreak tweak for quick settings since iPhone OS 2.0. Good lord, when will they get with the program!

Exactly why I'm not holding my breath. I think some people think Apple just didn't know about this stuff until recently. I'd contend that it's probably been discussed since iOS 3 development but keeps getting left out for very specific reasons.

But I understand to each his own, and most don't have needs like I do.

Dude, you know some people just can't or won't understand that not everybody is like them. You should need or want what they want because their usage case is the only possible usage case!

 

[blairharrington]

I don't disagree with you, per se, just that what you're describing is counter intuitive to Apples user experience philosophy.

You, as a user, shouldn't HAVE to worry about turning your WiFi or Bluetooth on and off. It should just kind of work and maybe, possibly, under certain circumstances, you may need to turn it off.

That's why I think a good middle ground will be to redesign the settings screen so you can switch them off and on instead if having to go into settings and then go into wifi/bluetooth and then turn it off or on.

I understand, as I'm sure Apple does, that a percentage of the user base would love to have some form of quick toggle. But if you look at it from Apple's perspective, its up to then to curate the experience for the user. In their view, the phone should be used, not managed. Its also not a feature that's going to drive growth. Android users aren't going to suddenly go 'Well I guess I can turn my WiFi off with two taps instead of four now... Guess its time to switch to an iPhone!'

I'm still up in the air as to whether or not its going to happen. All I'm suggesting is that it's not a make or break feature that many people suggest it is and no one should be TOO surprised if it doesn't happen.

Really has less to do with whether it's make or break and just more of a common sense approach. Wi-fi and bluetooth are two of the more popular settings that users want to toggle. So it makes sense to make that as easy as possible. I never said anything about Android users going back to iOS because quick toggles are now available on iOS too.

We'll see in 30 minutes. I agree for the most part with Apple's overall iOS approach which is that the majority of users want something uncomplicated. I just think that quick toggles are not complicated and make a lot of sense. Anything that forces you to enter settings to toggle wi-fi/bluetooth is not a solution. It's just one less tap.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Thing is, there's been a jailbreak tweak for quick settings since iPhone OS 2.0. Good lord, when will they get with the program!

It's not like Google got with the program until Android 4.2 with quick settings. Let's not mention it wasn't even a 1 touch switch like the CM toggles. Only in 4.2.2 did they introduce long press to make it a toggle. Pretty moronic IMO. And while quick settings may be fun, I still see the original notification toggles in CM6 and later as the best solution. What's the point of a bunch of fat icons in 1 page? Having small icons sit in the same screen as the notification bar provides both notifications and toggles all in one. I tend to use my QS as an overflow more and the important toggles still belong in the notification power widget section. Too bad CM is axing the power widgets in CM11

I do agree it's be nice to have toggles in iOS. After all wasn't it in iOS 2 or 3 where they talked about simplifying the menus and users were having to go through too many menus to find certain options like Wifi? That's why they made it visible on the main settings page. Perhaps we'll go one step further now?

 

[TheStu]

Really has less to do with whether it's make or break and just more of a common sense approach. Wi-fi and bluetooth are two of the more popular settings that users want to toggle. So it makes sense to make that as easy as possible. I never said anything about Android users going back to iOS because quick toggles are now available on iOS too.

We'll see in 30 minutes. I agree for the most part with Apple's overall iOS approach which is that the majority of users want something uncomplicated. I just think that quick toggles are not complicated and make a lot of sense. Anything that forces you to enter settings to toggle wi-fi/bluetooth is not a solution. It's just one less tap.

Well, I imagine that their (Apple's) position is that if the wireless and BT radios consume little enough power, then why not just leave them on all the time (I do). I'm not saying that they're right, but it's sort of the same argument as why you close the lid on a laptop rather than fully power it down, the negative battery impact from standby is so minimal that having to cold boot it every time would be a greater inconvenience than any small amount of use time that you may lose out on.

 

[Red Storm]

It's not like Google got with the program until Android 4.2 with quick settings. Let's not mention it wasn't even a 1 touch switch like the CM toggles. Only in 4.2.2 did they introduce long press to make it a toggle. Pretty moronic IMO. And while quick settings may be fun, I still see the original notification toggles in CM6 and later as the best solution. What's the point of a bunch of fat icons in 1 page? Having small icons sit in the same screen as the notification bar provides both notifications and toggles all in one. I tend to use my QS as an overflow more and the important toggles still belong in the notification power widget section. Too bad CM is axing the power widgets in CM11

I do agree it's be nice to have toggles in iOS. After all wasn't it in iOS 2 or 3 where they talked about simplifying the menus and users were having to go through too many menus to find certain options like Wifi? That's why they made it visible on the main settings page. Perhaps we'll go one step further now?

The big difference is that Android users didn't have to wait on Google though, there were plenty of options in the market. No having to jail break/root/ROM to achieve such a basic feature.

 

[s44]

And while quick settings may be fun, I still see the original notification toggles in CM6 and later as the best solution.

They're actually from TouchWiz.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

They're actually from TouchWiz.

Whoever made it first doesn't really matter. Fact is that AOSP took a while to finally bake in an important feature. It's great we have them now, but unless Apple takes another 5 years to put it in, so what? So they put it in iOS 7, no big deal.

The big difference is that Android users didn't have to wait on Google though, there were plenty of options in the market. No having to jail break/root/ROM to achieve such a basic feature.

And? The solution is still a 3rd party.

Want a good lockscreen? Install widget locker. Want notification toggles? Install some random app. Want proper LED notifications controls? Lightflow. Want your battery to not get raped? Greenify. Want proper brightness controls and not some half-assed brightness curve? Install Lux.

Plenty of apps at startup to bog down the phone. Try this on older phones like a GS2 and it will take forever to boot up. Even my Nexus 4 needs like 10-15 seconds following startup to actually become usable because it needs to load these apps. To me this isn't a true solution having 100MB or so of my memory locked down by these apps for a solution that should be in the OS.

I think it goes for both platforms that users want out of the box functionality. iOS is missing many things, but so is AOSP.

 

[Red Storm]

And? The solution is still a 3rd party.

Want a good lockscreen? Install widget locker. Want notification toggles? Install some random app. Want proper LED notifications controls? Lightflow. Want your battery to not get raped? Greenify. Want proper brightness controls and not some half-assed brightness curve? Install Lux.

Plenty of apps at startup to bog down the phone. Try this on older phones like a GS2 and it will take forever to boot up. Even my Nexus 4 needs like 10-15 seconds following startup to actually become usable because it needs to load these apps. To me this isn't a true solution having 100MB or so of my memory locked down by these apps for a solution that should be in the OS.

We're talking about quick toggles, not 10 different apps/functions. On Android you have been able to just go to the market and choose an app that implements it to your liking. Don't need to jailbreak/root/ROM or wait for Apple/Google to enable it for you. That kind of choice and customization is the key difference between Android and iOS, something that many people are asking for from Apple. poofy said it best, I've read so many articles that basically say "Hey Apple, do X like Android does already!"

 

[bearxor]

Well looks like you guys are getting your quick toggles.

Honestly, 30s in and I came.

 

[mosco]

Yeah, it's looking pretty ballar.

 

[TuxDave]

Yeah, it's looking pretty ballar.

I'm freakin' excited.

 

[Aganazer]

Is that Control Center opened with a Win8 style edge gesture?

 

[cheezy321]

I love how Apple focuses on the consumer that uses their phone with one hand. Android does absolutely nothing to improve one handed use.

I will continue to buy Apple phones purely because of this reason.

 

[bearxor]

Is that Control Center opened with a Win8 style edge gesture?

Drag up from the bottom.

 

[gevorg]

Ewww, the new UI and backgrounds are way too colorful. There better be a way to set it all to black or some dark solid color.

EDIT: Also, looks like there is no need for SBSettings now, at least not as much as before.

 

[dma0991]

I miss Scott Forstall and his skeuomorphic design. :'( One of the many reasons why my iPod Touch never got updates beyond 5.1.1. RIP iOS.

 

[bearxor]

Ewww, the new UI and backgrounds are way too colorful. There better be a way to set it all to black or some dark solid color.

EDIT: Also, looks like there is no need for SBSettings now, at least not as much as before.

Its just transparent. So the color will be whatever is underneath.

 

[Aganazer]

Drag up from the bottom.

Sounds very Win8ish since it has no visual cue. I've thought for a while that invisible edge gestures would become standard in UI's soon. This cements it.

 

[bearxor]

Sounds very Win8ish since it has no visual cue. I've thought for a while that invisible edge gestures would become standard in UI's soon. This cements it.

Yes. The lock screen has a visual cue for the notification center and setting menu, but other than that, nothing.

 

[zoiks]

Still uninspiring. They're just showing UI stuff which looks like a mishmash of Android and WP8.
Solid meh.

 

[luv2liv]

Still uninspiring. They're just showing UI stuff which looks like a mishmash of Android and WP8.
Solid meh.

for a moment, i thought they made it Android compatible! now you can boot iOS or Android Jelly.

 

[Oyeve]

I love how Apple focuses on the consumer that uses their phone with one hand. Android does absolutely nothing to improve one handed use.

I will continue to buy Apple phones purely because of this reason.

Well, yeah. Worlds smallest smartphone screen. Why not use one hand?

 

[Aganazer]

Looks like iRadio is more like Pandora and less like Spotify and Google Music. Meh... Glad I chose Android on this contract.

 

[bearxor]

Sooo...

no default applications
no quick reply for SMS
no central document repository

I like the new look, it looks pretty sharp. Just from the video it looks like it speaks better to me than Android does.

I've seen enough here that I'll most likely stick with iOS for the next year. There is some great foundation work, IMO, and a seemingly willingness to start opening more things up. I'm looking forward to iOS 8 at least.

 

[vshah]

Looks like iRadio is more like Pandora and less like Spotify and Google Music. Meh... Glad I chose Android on this contract.

well it's also free on mobile. so not really a competitor to spotify/all access