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Denmark Bans Burkas

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Incorruptible

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Denmark has banned the burka and finally taking a stand against the extremists while also joining other European countries. This was desperately needed and burkas shouldn't be worn in public, they are a complete violation of human rights and used by men to control women. Every country needs to ban the burka.

Those violating the law risk a fine of 1,000 kroner (£118). Repeat offenders could be fined up to 10,000 kroner or jailed for up to six months.
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Punishment definitely needs to be harsher but this is a good start.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/31/denmark-passes-law-banning-burqa-and-niqab
 
Vic said:
So in one thread, Incorruptible is upset because an European country is infringing on freedom of expression, while in another thread, he celebrates a European country infringing on freedom of expression.

Interesting.
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He's a troll. You expect consistency from a troll?
 
Vic said:
So in one thread, Incorruptible is upset because an European country is infringing on freedom of expression, while in another thread, he celebrates a European country infringing on freedom of expression.

Interesting.
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This is a serious issue that affects the country. They are totally different. The burka has nothing to do with religion. Why dont you seem concerned about the women being oppressed?
 
Incorruptible said:
Denmark has banned the burka and finally taking a stand against the extremists while also joining other European countries. This was desperately needed and burkas shouldn't be worn in public, they are a complete violation of human rights and used by men to control women. Every country needs to ban the burka.



Punishment definitely needs to be harsher but this is a good start.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/31/denmark-passes-law-banning-burqa-and-niqab
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Celebrating the violation of a person's free speech and ability to practice their religion.

Noted.
 
Incorruptible said:
This is a serious issue that affects the country. They are totally different. The burka has nothing to do with religion. Why dont you seem concerned about the women being oppressed?
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I wouldn’t say it has nothing to do with religion but yeah the primary objective is suppression of the women which is something we shouldn’t tolerate. Christians have a lot of bs like this too in its teachings and it’s past is abysmal treating women as human so it’s not just Islam.

It’s cultural shackles that Muslim women endure. I get there are those that say they "choose" to wear it, but it’s self subjugation. No feminist should ever support the burka, although I can see where religious freedom advocates would.

It’s not something I can support, I see it as a way of mentally enslaving women, but it’s their religion so not my place to say they can’t.
 
Incorruptible said:
This is a serious issue that affects the country. They are totally different. The burka has nothing to do with religion. Why dont you seem concerned about the women being oppressed?
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I am concerned about Muslim women being oppressed. That's one reason I'm replying in this thread, because your only motivation here is to oppress Muslim women by having governments infringe upon their right to freely exercise their religion. If it were up to you, all that is Islam would be outlawed. Which I'm sure you can rationalize to yourself just fine, but I believe that the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution apply to everyone, and not just to myself and those I agree with, as you do.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
I wouldn’t say it has nothing to do with religion but yeah the primary objective is suppression of the women which is something we shouldn’t tolerate. Christians have a lot of bs like this too in its teachings and it’s past is abysmal treating women as human so it’s not just Islam.

It’s cultural shackles that Muslim women endure. I get there are those that say they "choose" to wear it, but it’s self subjugation. No feminist should ever support the burka, although I can see where religious freedom advocates would.

It’s not something I can support, I see it as a way of mentally enslaving women, but it’s their religion so not my place to say they can’t.
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Yes, Christians have many customs and traditions dictating how women can dress. Laws banning Islamic garb can just as easily be applied to any similar Christian garb.
And certainly no one who truly supports womens rights would support any circumstance where a woman was being forced to wear such garb against her will. But likewise, no one who supports womens rights would support any circumstance where a woman was being prevented against her will from wearing whatever religious garb she chose to.
Your premise assumes the latter doesn't exist, when of course they do, and are probably the majority even.
 
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Denmark is a cold country. So this is legal:

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But burkas are not?

If they didn't like mooslems, one would think they would make mooslems wear mandatory burkas considering the burkas provide no cold protection at all!
 
Vic said:
Yes, Christians have many customs and traditions dictating how women can dress. Laws banning Islamic garb can just as easily be applied to any similar Christian garb.
And certainly no one who truly supports womens rights would support any circumstance where a woman was being forced to wear such garb against her will. But likewise, no one who supports womens rights would support any circumstance where a woman was being prevented against her will from wearing whatever religious garb she chose to.
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It’s certainly a tricky question. The garb is a means of subjugation to keep women in their place whether it be Muslim or Christian and that’s absolutely abhorrent and not something I can ever support. But then there’s religious freedom (which I find I struggle to honestly give a shit when it comes to stuff like this) which means let them do what they will. But female genitalia mutilation could theoretically fall under religious freedom too, where do we draw the lines on this stuff and say no not in our society. That’s certainly an extreme example, but religion is used as a reason to do all sorts of terrible things that morally I question if we should tolerate.
 
Indus said:
Denmark is a cold country. So this is legal:

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But burkas are not?

If they didn't like mooslems, one would think they would make mooslems wear mandatory burkas considering the burkas provide no cold protection at all!
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A burqa isn’t for protection from the cold and you very well know it.
 
UglyCasanova said:
It’s certainly a tricky question. The garb is a means of subjugation to keep women in their place whether it be Muslim or Christian and that’s absolutely abhorrent and not something I can ever support. But then there’s religious freedom (which I find I struggle to honestly give a shit when it comes to stuff like this) which means let them do what they will. But female genitalia mutilation could theoretically fall under religious freedom too, where do we draw the lines on this stuff and say no not in our society. That’s certainly an extreme example, but religion is used as a reason to do all sorts of terrible things that morally I question if we should tolerate.
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It's really not a tricky question. What informed adult individuals voluntarily consent to should be the moral baseline for what society should tolerate. FGM and other such examples don't fit in that box.
Barely over a century ago, women in America were expected to be fully clothed up to their necks, even when they went swimming. No laws banning such clothing were needed to change that, nor would they have helped.
 
UglyCasanova said:
A burqa isn’t for protection from the cold and you very well know it.
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That's probably why he posted, "If they didn't like mooslems, one would think they would make mooslems wear mandatory burkas considering the burkas provide no cold protection at all!"


Derp.
 
That’s an assumption that these women do choose to wear and do so voluntarily without influence or duress. Yes, if this choice could solely be the woman’s choice I agree with you. We both know that isn’t even remotely close to being the case though. As a tool of subjugation its indefensible. I wonder who of you that are so noble in the #metoo threads think this is ok. A blatant, in your face demonstration of the suppression of women.
 
Vic said:
So in one thread, Incorruptible is upset because an European country is infringing on freedom of expression, while in another thread, he celebrates a European country infringing on freedom of expression.

Interesting.
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It's Incorruptible, you know. I wonder when he will start worrying about US laws being violated in the US, rather than crying himself to sleep every night over US laws being "violated" outside of the US....oh and the consistency thing.

I mean, I'm not that patient.

I will say this, though: fuck the burka. the burka is not a hijab, and it is either rare or simply unheard of to find a free, "un-imprisoned" woman voluntarily wearing a burka. It's one of those issues where the so-called liberals of the world need to put up or shut up about real sexual exploitation anywhere.
 
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