Although I hate the fact that the crew got cycled for this and could have been home earlier the angst it is causing the Bush hating pole smokers like flavio and supertool almost makes it worthwhile.
Corn
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LOL, the desperation is almost comical.
Security? Would it have been any less if Bush were simply in Dearborn Michigan instead of a military aircraft carrier? No.
The cost for the fuel of the chase plan. OK, I'll give you that. It cost what, maybe a couple hundered dollars in jet fuel, you're really reaching into the desperation pot here.
OK, thus far we've established the cost of this "wrong" speech to be somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, maybe a grand?
Evidently you have a little grasp of how nuclear power works. The Lincoln, while in port, is still operational. The amount of fuel spent at sea while anchored is the same as at port. Nuclear powered reactors are not the equivalent of gasoline powered automobiles. Most likely the "nuclear fuel" was purchased years ago for this carrier and is good for well over 1 million miles. The cost in terms of "fuel" for the carrier, even assuming it was delayed a day, which it was not, would be mere pennies.
Ignorance and desperation. You wear them well.
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Expending taxpayer money on marketing gimmicks is wrong.
And why is it you can hardly string two posts together without an insult? Not possible for you to actually discuss anything without them though is it? That's petty, but if it's all you got I guess you're going to use it huh?
You have nothing to back up those number. I would suspect that the cost would be well above $1Million, but the exact number is not the point. The point is, the military should not be used for political campaign photo-ops. And Bush misusing the Airforce One for campaign and fundraising trips doesn't excuse misusing an aircraft carrier for the same purposes.
If it costs mere pennies to run aircraft carriers for 1 day, why are we spending $1Billion a day on defense spending?
You want to know what hypocrisy is? It's all the liberals that have suddenly come out of the woodwork screaming about the "poor sailor" who got stuck at sea for another day. The same people who for years have been screaming for DoD cuts to fund their favorite welfare program, the same people who could give a fsck about anyone wearing a uniform. That is the very epitome of hypocrisy.
Not true. You are using a lot more fuel pushing that big bastard through the water than you are tied up. Not that you're critical when you're tied up because you're not.
Experience tells me and e-mails from the ship tell me that the answer is. . . be home instead of hosting the CinC. Sorry.
Why not? Because they weren't paying for it. Our taxes were. The members of the Lincoln would probably not mind taking the carrier to the Bahamas for a cruise.
Everyone of the crewmembers aboard Lincoln pays taxes just like you do. Except when they are deployed in a 'war zone'.
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And you've provided something to back up your number? Where?
Here is a fact: The carrier was still fully operational in port. The "nuclear fuel" purchased for the reactor was bought when the carrier was constructed and will never be completely spent before the carrier is decommissioned.
The only additional cost for this so-called photo op is the cost of the fuel used in the Viking planes that ferried Bush to the carrier. If Bush would have made this speech anywhere, the security would have cost the same, but most likely more.
So, once again, I'll ask. Where does this $1 million bill come from? Where?
Your point might be thoughtfully considered if you weren't a hypocrite about it.
Where was your outrage?
How do you know if I was or wasn't outraged. You are making assumptions about my feelings about Clinton. You don't know my position on Clinton's military dealings. Personally, I think Kosovo was a huge mistake. You just want to divert attention and blaming Clinton. Typical GOP tactic.
I am estimating $1 Million, it might have been more, might have been less, but whatever it was it wasnt' zero. Unless you can provide evidence of the exact cost, my guess is as good as yours.
Considering it costs $1Billion/day to run our military even without war, I don't think $1Million figure is out of the ballpark. But continue trolling about details, without adressing the principal problem of using the military for political gains.
If Bush didn't go visit them there would be this horrible outrage that the troops are good enough to go die for him, but not good enough for him to hang out with for a photo-op. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.
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First of all, I have not blamed Clinton for anything. The fact that he used the military for his photo-ops was merely an exercise in pointing out the hypocrisy of those who are now complaining about Bush but were silent when Clinton did it.
I didn't have a problem with Clinton doing it then, nor do I have a problem with Bush doing it now. Why do you act so suprised when you see a politician politicking? Give me a fscking break!
You're right, I don't know if you were or weren't outraged--it's hard to determine that when you were silent. If it wasn't enough of an issue to vocalize your outrage before, why is it now? (Hint, you can easily demonstrate your outrage by simply linking to an example of it).
Based on what data exactly? Just something someone said that you are eager to parrot?
The Dems being upset about this doesn't surprise me at all. Just like what the French did to us didn't surprise me either.
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