Originally posted by: Ozoned
Ayup, and the poor and the middle class, my customers, are going to pay the price.
Only in America.
When the Government needs more money to pay for the things promised to its good citizens, here is the solution.
Raise tax rates on the Rich, the poor and middle class foot the bill, and THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
Who was it that came up with this Idea?
You have sucessfully proven that you currently don't charge as much as you could for your work. Congrats on being mediocre.
Go Wexlar...
Yes, tax increases, along with fundemental changes to social security are the ONLY way to fix social security. Both should go hand in hand. Its nice to see Wexlar putting the bulk of the load, and those that put us in this situation, the baby boomers...
Will it go anywhere? No but its nice to know not every elected official wants to pull the younger generations pants down and anally rape them for the huge mistakes of prior generations.
Yes, tax increases, along with fundemental changes to social security are the ONLY way to fix social security. Both should go hand in hand. Its nice to see Wexlar putting the bulk of the load, and those that put us in this situation, the baby boomers...
Will it go anywhere? No but its nice to know not every elected official wants to pull the younger generations pants down and anally rape them for the huge mistakes of prior generations.
And people wonder why the Dems aren't putting forth any ideas right now. As I said in previous threads, the Dems are trying to present flowers to a pretty girl that just got handed a big, stinky, rotten turd.
The Wexler tax increase would be the largest in American history, taking an estimated $731 billion from almost 10 million workers in the first ten years. It also disproportionately penalizes older workers, raising taxes on about 3.5 million workers who are within 10 years of retirement and likely at their earnings peak - in other words when their retirement savings potential is near its greatest if the government keeps its hands off their wages.
rotflmao
BBond where are you now? Your beloved party wants to rape the old one last time before cutoff date!
rotflmao
BBond where are you now? Your beloved party wants to rape the old one last time before cutoff date!
Jesus one has to ask if the self enlightened in this country even have basic listening skills.
What do you think Bush's voluntary private account plan is? A gradual introduction of private accounts.
The current proposal from the admin moving 1/3 to personal accounts is pretty gradual if you ask me. It would at least be nice to see a counter offer from the dems saying we could start with 1/6. BUt instead they would rather say there is no problem...
Heh. Gotta love it when the claim of spending $2T now is cheaper than what it'll cost down the road... Which would only be true if we had the money to spend. But we don't, so we'll have to borrow it- interest alone puts the lie to the whole moronic concept.
Given that there are ~130M tax returns filed every year, raising taxes on the top few % so affected is really the only mid term solution available. Despite the bad pandemic of taxcut fever going around, the only answer is for the govt to take in more money, not less, given the propensity of those currently in charge to increase spending at shameful rates, even as they're espousing "small govt" doublespeak...
Given that there are ~130M tax returns filed every year, raising taxes on the top few % so affected is really the only mid term solution available. Despite the bad pandemic of taxcut fever going around, the only answer is for the govt to take in more money, not less, given the propensity of those currently in charge to increase spending at shameful rates, even as they're espousing "small govt" doublespeak...
Mid term is the key but let me tell you about how mid term solutions end up in this country. They turn into long term solutions and instead of the top 1% everybody ends up paying.
Did you know Income tax was only passed because the con artists in congress fooled the poor and middle class into believing income tax would only be placed on the top 1% of earners in this country?
90 years later everybody pays income taxes including people on welfare!
Be careful for what you wish because history has shown the short term quick fix taking it from the rich always filters its way down to the middle and poor in this country.
I still wonder what the direct links between Bush and Enron are?
Furthermore, I wonder why people complain about the bidding process and Haliburton - it was Mr. Clinton that wrote the rules regarding no bid contracts.
You mean the younger generation that has had IRA's and 401k's thier whole lives to put tax free money in and let it grow tax free???? In the case of 401k's most people get matching funds from their employers. I wish I'd have had the opppotunity to do something like that.
Instead they are trying to put the baby boomer genereation in the position of being raped by both the older generation and the younger generation.
WE DIDN"T START THE FIRE!!
They always seem to forget Clinton actually bailed Enron out in 1998. But when they came looking for a handout Bush told them to fly a kite. You really have to wonder how Enron has been so tied to Bush when he let them flutter in the wind in their time of need.
On top of that some of their board are facing serious jail time.
But of course Bush was Enrons best friend!
Sure you did, why didnt you demand a fix in 1983 instead of a bandaid? What was wrong, too busy thinking about raping the next generation?
Yeah, smart ass, why didn't Reagan do something about it??? You tell me. SS was enacted in 1935, long before I was born, so rationalize that it's my generations doing all you want but you'll just be lying to yourself. As ususal, your rightous indignation comes out when you perceive yourself as getting the short end of the stick. News flash, the world doesn't revolve around you or your generation.
Most of the big drains of the SS funds were attached to SS before I was even born or of voting age. The big one of those is Medicare. The way health care costs continue to increase, I'd be willing to bet that a very small percentage of people will be able to put away enough money to cover those expenses in their old age. You don't appear to have the vision to see that far ahead. Your generation thinks that amytime they can screw somebody it's "a good thing". You have a very, very short-sighted view of the world.
In any case, I'm not going to sit by and let you twips screw me out of it, you can take that to the bank!!
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Ayup, and the poor and the middle class, my customers, are going to pay the price.
Only in America.
When the Government needs more money to pay for the things promised to its good citizens, here is the solution.
Raise tax rates on the Rich, the poor and middle class foot the bill, and THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
Who was it that came up with this Idea?
If only if it were that simple...
are you actually business owner?
What do real business owners do when they begin to make less money?
Try to make more. Ways of doing that:
lowering prices in order to increase sales
increasing prices to see if the market can bear it
modify marketing
cut costs/increase effeciency
expand into new markets
create new products
...
there are so many ways of doing business that do not include raising prices. The idea of 'trickle down' simply is not true. Businesses are often able to absorb a lot of costs while still increasing the amount of money they make.
For example, gas price spikes have not historically been shown to cause inflation.
So, whats wrong with high taxes for the rich? They're not fair. Wealth should be distributed according to your place in society, which you might have earned through hard work. Right?
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Ayup, and the poor and the middle class, my customers, are going to pay the price.
Only in America.
When the Government needs more money to pay for the things promised to its good citizens, here is the solution.
Raise tax rates on the Rich, the poor and middle class foot the bill, and THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
Who was it that came up with this Idea?
If only if it were that simple...
are you actually business owner?
What do real business owners do when they begin to make less money?
Try to make more. Ways of doing that:
lowering prices in order to increase sales
increasing prices to see if the market can bear it
modify marketing
cut costs/increase effeciency
expand into new markets
create new products
...
there are so many ways of doing business that do not include raising prices. The idea of 'trickle down' simply is not true. Businesses are often able to absorb a lot of costs while still increasing the amount of money they make.
For example, gas price spikes have not historically been shown to cause inflation.
So, whats wrong with high taxes for the rich? They're not fair. Wealth should be distributed according to your place in society, which you might have earned through hard work. Right?
It seems that your assuming that poor people don't work hard?? Poor people get sick, need vacations, rasie kids, and need to set moaney away for retirement. Kind of hard to do when, even though they are working full time, they quailify for welfare.
I guess you think that's their "place in society"??
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Kill SS and start anew. Tell anybody who's less than 35 years old that you won't be getting a damn nickel unless you're in the bottom 20%. I'd rather pay half of what I'm paying and get nothing back than pay what I am paying and get the pathetic handout I expect.
In the majority of cases we don't need SS anyway. We need simply people saving up for their futures. Most people are stupid. I mean dumber than a bag of crushed rock, so they don't plan sufficiently for the future, and that's why they hold so dear in their heart social security. If you're 65 and want to retire and saved up $14k for your life excuse me while I don't shed a tear at the fact that perhaps you'll have to be a greeter at walmart. But it's your own fault.
In the majority of cases we don't need SS anyway. We need simply people saving up for their futures. Most people are stupid. I mean dumber than a bag of crushed rock, so they don't plan sufficiently for the future, and that's why they hold so dear in their heart social security. If you're 65 and want to retire and saved up $14k for your life excuse me while I don't shed a tear at the fact that perhaps you'll have to be a greeter at walmart. But it's your own fault.
Who ran congress in 1983???
Percieved short end of the stick? Take one glance at the trustee report and tell me how "percieved" it is. I am getting the short end of the stick and so is everbody in my generation, and every generation after that.
Hahaha considering what your generation is doing right now that is funny. Leave my generation with a bankrupt SS system and bloated medicare system, but we are the ones screwing you, yeah ok. You cant think past your next welfare check from the govt, so I find it rather amusing you telling me about being short sighted.
Of course not why wouldnt you rape the young? It has been indoctrinated into you from birth.
Works for me, scrap the damn thing and start anew. Make people qualify for the system, and put in laws that restrict congress from raping the surplus's.
I would gladly pay 3% of my wages and recieve nothing back than pay 6.2% and get negative returns and deficits that make our current total debt look like a joke.
The system is setup for people who cant think past their next meal. Let the people who have enough brain power the ability to do what they want.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Ayup, and the poor and the middle class, my customers, are going to pay the price.
Only in America.
When the Government needs more money to pay for the things promised to its good citizens, here is the solution.
Raise tax rates on the Rich, the poor and middle class foot the bill, and THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
Who was it that came up with this Idea?
Who came up with the idea of trickle-down economics? Your idea is based on it, no doubt. And no doubt, it failed miserably. The gap between the rich and poor increased ginormously during Reagan's administration. Believe it or not, competition will keep prices down, and raising taxes on the rich will not adversely affect the middle class and poor.
You're telling me that the rich are being generous by keeping lower taxes for themselves? :roll:
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Yep, there is no NONONONO reason for the government to be covering retirement for people who are wealthy enough to cover it themselves. Inherently it is inefficient to do. Thus one should have to qualify for SS. I doubt I ever would. Great! I wouldn't want to. And there should be checks put in to change the qualification of it against the average age of Americans, and it shoulid be recalibrated every several years.
And attitudes like yours are exactly why I won't trust the rich Repugs to change SS. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for you also.
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