Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

[HomerJS]

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[HomerJS]

Everybody rich and powerful?
Hawt damn, if only somebody would have told us white folks.

76% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck
Oh, wait...

Maybe you should step back and stop stereotyping people. When most people are in need, it does you no good to try and pit poor people against each other. Especially by pretending most of them don't exist. Are some better off than others? Of course. But they could ALL use a better and stronger economic safety net. Better social programs to create a raised floor, better than we have it now. People could be inspired to vote for their own interests if only we had the words and the campaign to drive those points home and convert them into votes.

It is an effort that has grown too weak in the Rust Belt and other rural communities. Yes, they aren't "poor" like inner city. But their lives are one sick day away from ruin. All our people could benefit from more expansive Democrat Party economic policies. Do not turn them away because they are white.

In 2022 average household wealth of white families was 187K. Black families was 14K.

That’s not to say one family is good or bad but to point out where the attention is needed.

 

[MrSquished]

As a middle class straight white male I know the only party that has anything to offer me are the Democrats.

I'm not rich enough to benefit from Republican policies at all. The only policies that will benefit me as a non-wealthy person come from the Democrats. So actually they offer me wait a lot more than the GQP.

Now this original poster is an idiot but the problem is a lot of white men are idiots just like him. And they think the same stupid shit.

 

[mikeymikec]

Policing reform, probably yes, because a lot of unarmed white men are killed by police but don't make news....

No, I'm talking about raising the living standards (e.g. fewer people are desperate, and are better represented) for minorities and women equals fewer problems across the board.

 

[GettyRoad]

No, I'm talking about raising the living standards (e.g. fewer people are desperate, and are better represented) for minorities and women equals fewer problems across the board.

Does it affect white men?

 

[HomerJS]

Black Lives Matter movement marks 10 years of activism and renews its call to defund the police

The Black Lives Matter movement turns 10 years old on Thursday, marking the day in 2013 that the man who fatally shot Trayvon Martin was acquitted in his death.

apnews.com

https://blacklivesmatter.com/ahead-of-10-year-anniversary-black-lives-matter-releases-new-defund-the-police-ad-and-announces-proclamation-for-new-national-day/

How Elites Ruined the American Left

“If it’s true that the left is not appealing to the working class, then that is a failure of the left and not of the working class,” says Freddie deBoer.

www.politico.com

I will concede defund the police as a slogan was a tactical loser. Smart pols disavowed it early.

Strategy of dismantling bad police departments is a worthy cause. Right wingers are experts at propaganda and co-opting.

Example they tried to diminish BLM with blue lives matter. However Jan 6 exposed their position as pure bullshit.

 

[mikeymikec]

Does it affect white men?

Take each of your examples:

1 - Abortion: It generally takes two to make a baby, and for every woman ensnared by shitty abortion laws / access to healthcare, chances are there's a guy paying it too.

2 - Civil rights: If you have people who are disinfranchised with the system, chances are they're not economically contributing (or as much as they could be) to the system, which means more problems for everyone, right? Do you like the idea of paying more taxes or less?

3 - policing reform: largely see point 2, but with an added problem resulting from disinfranchised portions of the population means less trust in the police, means it's harder for the people to do their job of protecting and serving the populace, which means more problems for everyone.

4 - immigration: again see point 2. The better control there is over immigration, and the more that illegal immigration is reduced, the better the conditions and job access can be for everyone in the lower income spectrum. More tax money going into public services, better welfare, this benefits everyone because fewer people are desperate.

 

[HomerJS]

Does it affect white men?

Biden capping Insulin at $35 helps a ton of white people

 

[biostud]

That’s not true. The GOP is offering to make us poorer, more ignorant, and to die earlier in exchange for the freedom to hate some of our fellow citizens and a shitload of money and power for themselves and their benefactors.

So basically more GOP voters

 

[allisolm]

RFK is offering a different, younger vibe, anti-establishment vibe. RFK feels that if he is president, he would work with both parties to at least get healthcare costs down and maybe a immigration reform bill by July 2026 at the minimum

Not sure how much "younger" a 70yr-old vibe is than an 80 yr-old one, but I do worry about the following:

Wi-Fi causes cancer and "leaky brain,"

Antidepressants are to blame for school shootings

Chemicals in the water supply could turn children transgender

AIDS may not be caused by HIV

vaccines cause autism and are more harmful than the diseases they're designed to protect against.

5G networks are being used for mass surveillance

the CIA assassinated his uncle

instead of vaccine use ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

 

[Perknose]

Not sure how much "younger" a 70yr-old vibe is than an 80 yr-old one, but I do worry about the following:

Wi-Fi causes cancer and "leaky brain,"

Antidepressants are to blame for school shootings

Chemicals in the water supply could turn children transgender

AIDS may not be caused by HIV

vaccines cause autism and are more harmful than the diseases they're designed to protect against.

5G networks are being used for mass surveillance

the CIA assassinated his uncle

instead of vaccine use ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

And then there's the clear, brain damaged vibe he emits. I mean, if he sat next to you on the bus and started talking, most of us would be eyeing an empty seat.

 

[Pohemi]

GettyRoad is to white men what Braznor is to Hindus. So oppressed and victimized, playing that zero-sum game. Not to mention the troll threads.

... but I do worry about the following: ...

The guy obviously doesn't operate on facts. He and Ron Johnson should open a medical practice, since they're both just so knowledgable regarding the medical field.

Anyone who would vote for him simply because he's a third option...is an imbecile. Anyone who would vote for him for ANY reason...is an imbecile. Better than Donnie? Probably, but it's like choosing between the giant douche and the turd sandwich.

And no, he doesn't have a, "young vibe". He's almost as crusty as Biden is, and FAR less mentally stable IMHO. At least Joe isn't a wingnut.

 

[Jaskalas]

In 2022 average household wealth of white families was 187K. Black families was 14K.

That’s not to say one family is good or bad but to point out where the attention is needed.

When I say we need to strive for Basic Income, Housing, Healthcare, etc....
Whoever is poorest will naturally benefit the most.
But social safety net policy itself needs to be broad enough so that, when people OF ALL COLORS are brought low, they know it will be there to help them. That we will be there.

It is not a question of result, but of being expansive enough and finding the language to appeal to more people. To form a majority, win elections, and secure our future.

Do you honestly think even a majority of white people are so rich as to not need any of this? Most people I have ever met would fall into the category of needing Democrat economic policy. They have simply been lied to, via propaganda, into believing otherwise.

 

[Moonbeam]

People with the worst cases of self hate are the easiest to brainwash into believing they are victims, not of their own crippling self hate and the defeatism that goes with it, but are the victims of somebody else getting what they feel more properly belongs to them, owing, here in the US particularly and especially, to the delusional belief in American exceptionalism and the distorted sense of entitlement that goes with it. This country is chock full of hugely arrogant self entitled pricks who have never suffered the struggle to improve themselves and are the throw away detritus of a system that rewards only competence.

Instead of voting for a system that alters the notion of human self worth to include non-economically productive people as valuable also, they vote to make sure everybody is as miserable as them. What Democrats do wrong is to fail to educate the ignoramuses among us for fear they will be upset by that fact.

The big problem for Republicans, on the other hand, is that slowly but surely the dumbest among us are waking up. That becomes very clear when suddenly becoming woke is the latest threat. Maybe eight decades of sleep is enough.

 

[Leeea]

Women: Abortion
Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform
Latinos: Immigration and civil rights

There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider.....

Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr.

and our local Russian agent stirs the pot of hatred again.

Trying to get all of us to look at our society purely through the lens of racism and sexism. To only define us by race and sex.


the moment anyone engages against him the enemy has won, he has caused those who argue against him to look through his lens of society. To view society divided by sub populations of race and sex, which is his goal.


Getty does not want us to see what is common between us. He does not want us to come together over our shared values. He always seeks to highlight what is different.


Make no mistake, GettyRoad is pure unadulterated evil.

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe the reason crime is down is because so many Jan 6 participators are in prison.

 

[WelshBloke]

Trying to get all of us to look at our society purely through the lens of racism and sexism. To only define us by race and sex.

YES!

 

[balloonshark]

Thanks to Biden my 20 year old student loan is now out of default. Because of my low fixed income I'm making no payments a month now. This is saving me $250+ a month because they can legally take every penny you make over $750 a month. My loan also should qualify for forgiveness in the distant future. All of this is a huge deal for me.

The last thing a republican did for us normal folk is medicare part D and that was back when W was in office.

 

[GettyRoad]

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YES!

Everything in America is seen through race and sex because of the nation's history, of course I am obsessed with race and sex. Damn right I am.

 

[WelshBloke]

Everything in America is seen through race and sex because of the nation's history, of course I am obsessed with race and sex. Damn right I am.

That is your choice and your fault.

 

[woolfe9998]

OP's core fallacy is that every policy benefits only one identifiable group when the vast majority of actual government policies impact everyone. If we all suddenly have better access to healthcare, then we all have better access to healthcare. The majority of progressive policies work that way.

I think the OP just sees everything in terms of race and us versus them.

 

[MrSquished]

That is your choice and your fault.

well he's also obsessed about being stupid, I don't think he can help that though.

 

[Moonbeam]

Women: Abortion
Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform
Latinos: Immigration and civil rights

There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider.....

Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr.

White men should be among the best Christians. They are physically and psychologically evolved to provide protection for women and especially children. This can only be done right by selfless devotion to the lives of these two other kinds of humans. Jesus died for our sins in Christian doctrine to save us all from sin. How did it happen that Christian White men should ever consider themselves. Women and children come in all colors. Somebody must have yawned and the Devil flew in. You need to gird up your loins.

 

[MrSquished]

I can't believe people are so stupid as to not think better healthcare, infrastructure, wealth equality, pay and benefits, PTO, a cleaner environment, and so much more, just does not benefit white men. Literally we also need healthcare and a good wage and good infrastructure and more wealth and a clean environment - how do white men not benefit from all of that?

How fucking dumb do you have to be to not get this? Oh wait, I think I know. And most of them are GQP, but seriously. WTF?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm not MAGA never have never will

Everyone should feel good about themselves, you think uneducated white males care about these things, they don't. If they did, they would have joined with BLM a long time, but since BLM makes them the scapegoat, why would they care to ally themselves with stuff like that?

If it walks like a duck and quacks