Dems blame Pres. Bush for job losses

[Jhhnn]

Those aren't links, Riprorin...

And an opinion piece from the Sun? Get real, OK? Might as well quote the Inquirer...

All your quotes are in reference to the 3rd quarter of '03, anyway, when paper gains from a wave of home refinance painted a rose tint on an otherwise dismal situation... More false attribution from Bushit apologists and fanbois...

Unemployment remains at 5.6% and wages in new jobs are considerably lower than in in lost jobs... while costs in housing, medical care and energy are exploding... current stats and methods of evaluating them work along the same lines as figuring average net worth before and after Bill Gates walks into the room... the numbers will change a lot, the reality won't...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur
Just look at the percentage changes. Manufacturing employment costs show good signs but the other areas don't show us anywhere near "the biggest economic expanision in 20 years"

Care to point some areas you dont think are expanding fast enough, and compare those to the expansion in early 90s and early 80s?

The numbers speak for themselves. Do your own reading. I will not hold your hand.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
he title of this thread could be made more succinct:

instead of "Dems blame Pres. Bush for job losses"

why not just "Dems blame Pres. Bush"

You expected something better from them? Everything is President's Bush's fault.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Those aren't links, Riprorin...

And an opinion piece from the Sun? Get real, OK? Might as well quote the Inquirer...

All your quotes are in reference to the 3rd quarter of '03, anyway, when paper gains from a wave of home refinance painted a rose tint on an otherwise dismal situation... More false attribution from Bushit apologists and fanbois...

Unemployment remains at 5.6% and wages in new jobs are considerably lower than in in lost jobs... while costs in housing, medical care and energy are exploding... current stats and methods of evaluating them work along the same lines as figuring average net worth before and after Bill Gates walks into the room... the numbers will change a lot, the reality won't...

Keeping banging the drum (and making yourself look foolish).

Posted 6/1/2004 10:27 AM Updated 6/1/2004 9:44 PM
Construction, manufacturing surge ahead
By Sue Kirchhoff, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON ? Construction spending surged in April to a record, while factory production remained strong in May, with manufacturers indicating they will accelerate hiring, according to reports Tuesday.
The upbeat data indicate the economy, which grew at a 4.4% annual rate in the first quarter, remains strong. Economists expect the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates at its June 29-30 meeting.

The private Institute for Supply Management said Tuesday that its manufacturing index improved to 62.8 in May from 62.4 in April, the seventh consecutive month the index has been above 60. The index remains near the two-decade high of 63.6 set in January. A reading over 50 indicates expansion.

While manufacturers complained that higher production costs were starting to pinch, they also expressed increased eagerness to hire. The employment index jumped to 61.9 from 57.8 in April. That's the highest level since 1973.

"Things looked good in May. I think they will continue on that path, based on the way the data look," says Norbert Ore, chairman of the Institute's Manufacturing Business Survey Committee.

In a second report, the Commerce Department said the value of construction put in place rose 1.3% in April from March, far above analysts' expectations for a 0.4% rise and more than 11% above April 2003. Some of the increase reflects higher prices for materials such as steel and fuel.

Residential construction rose 1.2% from March and is up more than 17% from last year. Government highway and street construction is up about 3% from March and 20% from 2003.

In a related development, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight said average home price appreciation nationally was 7.71% in the first quarter of 2004 compared with a year earlier. The pace of increase in the quarter was the tamest since 1998.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur
Just look at the percentage changes. Manufacturing employment costs show good signs but the other areas don't show us anywhere near "the biggest economic expanision in 20 years"

Care to point some areas you dont think are expanding fast enough, and compare those to the expansion in early 90s and early 80s?

The numbers speak for themselves. Do your own reading. I will not hold your hand.

I am looking at the numbers and I am seeing growth. So I am asking you, what is not growing fast enough.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Most of the job loses under Pres. Bush's watch came in the first year of his administration. It's rather silly to blame him for that particularly in light of 9/11, the stock market bubble , and the dot com bust.

The critisism of Pres. Bush's handling of the economy is particularly silly as we are experiencing the biggest economic expanision in 20 years and we've added 1.2 M jobs already this year.

And don't forget, only 1 out of 20 Amercican are jobless.

Seems to me that the Dems better find another drum to beat.

Yep, sure, ignore all of the posts I have posted here for well over the past year along of thousands of Layoffs at a clip even just this past week.

Talk about Brainwashed blathering drivel. :roll:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Talk about Brainwashed blathering drivel . :roll:

Ok, lets talk about Brainwashed blathering drivel


You go first.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Talk about Brainwashed blathering drivel . :roll:

Ok, lets talk about Brainwashed blathering drivel


You go first.

I would if I was good at brainwashing, apparently I am not hence I did not get my own Radio show like Rush and Hannity.

I'm sure if I did get the Radio show many of the Rush loyalists in here would listen to my show and never admit that they do.

 

[Jhhnn]

Still nothing actually linked up, riprorin...

Here's one for ya- it even has footnotes...

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df06042004.html

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Still nothing actually linked up, riprorin...

Here's one for ya- it even has footnotes...

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df06042004.html

What's does this link have to do with the topic?

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, riprorin, there are a variety of ways to define "job losses" most of which have nothing to do with the kind of figures both you and the admin like to slap in our faces... Just because those at the top are getting richer at an astronomical rate doesn't mean that the economy is helping anybody other than those few, or that these "new" jobs are the equal of lost jobs...

There are many factors affecting the current employment situation, and the situation in our near future, too, some of which are easily overlooked, like the distribution of wealth and income along with stuff like this-

http://www.cbpp.org/6-2-04tax.htm

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Well, riprorin, there are a variety of ways to define "job losses" most of which have nothing to do with the kind of figures both you and the admin like to slap in our faces... Just because those at the top are getting richer at an astronomical rate doesn't mean that the economy is helping anybody other than those few, or that these "new" jobs are the equal of lost jobs...

There are many factors affecting the current employment situation, and the situation in our near future, too, some of which are easily overlooked, like the distribution of wealth and income along with stuff like this-

http://www.cbpp.org/6-2-04tax.htm

So given that we're experiencing the largest economic expansion in 20 years and you can't bash the economy, you have to resort to the old class warfare rhetoric. Is that right?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Most of the job loses under Pres. Bush's watch came in the first year of his administration. It's rather silly to blame him for that particularly in light of 9/11, the stock market bubble , and the dot com bust.

The critisism of Pres. Bush's handling of the economy is particularly silly as we are experiencing the biggest economic expanision in 20 years and we've added 1.2 M jobs already this year.

And don't forget, only 1 out of 20 Amercican are jobless.

Seems to me that the Dems better find another drum to beat.

Politics as usual.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, riprorin, you've yet to make more of that assertion than to merely assert it, fraudulently, as if Q3 of 04 were typical of recent developments, and have yet to show that this "expansion" actually benefits anybody other than the financial elite, basically using denial and distraction to deal with bona fide links and statistics...

Class warfare? As Paul Krugman put it, it's the wealthy who've engaged in that undertaking, and as Warren Buffet rather candidly remarked, if such is occurring, then his class is surely winning...

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Well, riprorin, you've yet to make more of that assertion than to merely assert it, fraudulently, as if Q3 of 04 were typical of recent developments, and have yet to show that this "expansion" actually benefits anybody other than the financial elite, basically using denial and distraction to deal with bona fide links and statistics...

Class warfare? As Paul Krugman put it, it's the wealthy who've engaged in that undertaking, and as Warren Buffet rather candidly remarked, if such is occurring, then his class is surely winning...

I'm wondering what your link regarding corporate CEO's salaries has to do with the current economic expansion.

1.2 M jobs have been added already this year. Do you think that those jobs only went to rich people?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Well, riprorin, you've yet to make more of that assertion than to merely assert it, fraudulently, as if Q3 of 04 were typical of recent developments, and have yet to show that this "expansion" actually benefits anybody other than the financial elite, basically using denial and distraction to deal with bona fide links and statistics...

Class warfare? As Paul Krugman put it, it's the wealthy who've engaged in that undertaking, and as Warren Buffet rather candidly remarked, if such is occurring, then his class is surely winning...

I'm wondering what your link regarding corporate CEO's salaries has to do with the current economic expansion.

1.2 M jobs have been added already this year. Do you think that those jobs only went to rich people?

Not unless rich people started working flipping burgers and greeting people at Wally World!

 

[chrisms]

Vote Nader in 2004

 

[namike]

Hrm, i wonder why 30million people a DAY listen to Rush and Hannity.....maybe its because..uhmm...hrm...well....they choose to and like it? or its probally just the secret radio frequency signal that Rush has programed into the air waves to span the country to invade our brains and keep people listening.....People listen to Rush and Hannity because ITS THE TRUTH....and for some THE TRUTH HURTS.....and for those that it hurts...it will continue to hurt for 4 more years, just like it has the last 4.

I'd give my job, healthcare, degree, car, computer, freedom, choice and my life if i could stop terrorism.... what would Kennedy or Kerry give?

How about we give a vote to Osama....i wonder who he would vote for.....

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

wow, I'd be ashamed to have someone like namike representing my party in any way shape or form. I seriously hope you were kidding in your post.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: namike
Hrm, i wonder why 30million people a DAY listen to Rush and Hannity.....maybe its because..uhmm...hrm...well....they choose to and like it? or its probally just the secret radio frequency signal that Rush has programed into the air waves to span the country to invade our brains and keep people listening.....People listen to Rush and Hannity because ITS THE TRUTH....and for some THE TRUTH HURTS.....and for those that it hurts...it will continue to hurt for 4 more years, just like it has the last 4.

I'd give my job, healthcare, degree, car, computer, freedom, choice and my life if i could stop terrorism.... what would Kennedy or Kerry give?

How about we give a vote to Osama....i wonder who he would vote for.....

Oh, I'm sure he'd vote for Bush. Osama is safe as long as Bush is in office. Bush has even said Osama isn't a priority anymore...that he doesn't care where he is.

 

[namike]

I warned you the truth hurts...and i would like to see where Bush said "i dont care were osama is anymore."

 

[Genesys]

eh, I just like how the President [no matter who] gets the blame for job losses.

anyway, shouldnt the blame be focused on corporate CEO's and such who decide its a good idea to shift jobs overseas, or to mechanize their manufacturing process, or something else of the sort that require people to loose jobs?

 

[namike]

The Liberal's only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Liberals seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the college classroom. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance.

Genesys, why does that make so much sense?
(Because the truth hurts librals.)

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: namike
I warned you the truth hurts...and i would like to see where Bush said "i dont care were osama is anymore."

Read this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1312963&highlight_key=y&keyword1=bin%20Laden


And this:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0104/30/ip.00.html

WOODRUFF: We will have more of the day's political news coming up. But now a look at some other top stories.

The Navy is ready for more demonstrations on the Puerto Rican island, Vieques. After a break on Sunday, Navy warships are firing at the island's practice range again. Over the weekend, roughly 70 demonstrators were arrested and charged with trespassing. They included a U.S. congressman, Democrat Luis Gutierrez of Illinois.

The State Department officially released its annual terrorism report just a little more than an hour ago, but unlike last year, there's no extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden. A senior State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism."

 

[namike]

i did read your cnn.com link from Aired April 30, 2001......which was before Septermber 11, 2001.......before Osama attacked us.....dont try to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Liberals seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the college classroom. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance. I like how you blame 100 days in to his Presidency that its Bush's fault. That attack was planned long before Bush ever took office, in fact it was planned during Wild Bill's time. People in this country are tired of getting the bent truth like your trying to do. The people spoke out last November 2000 (republican vicotry), and 2002 (republican victory) and my bet is the trend will contiune into Nov. 2004. I feel sorry for all the librals set on winning the President's seat. May i remind you that we easily keep a simple majority in the House and Senate.....if Kerry wins he will have a republican house and senate to pass his bills.......good luck with that. So either way i believe this country will be safe. If Kerry wins, the House and Senate will filabuster and deny his bills. If Bush wins, we gain even more seats in the House and Senate and should have enough to steam roll......Librals look out.