Democrats warn if Obama sends more troops , they will add a new tax

[fskimospy]

I heard on the news the proposal is 1% tax on families making under 150K. It goes up from there.

I thought there would be no tax increase on those making under 250K? Obama lies, taxes rised.

I like how a proposed tax by Congress that Obama does not support, meant as an attempt to prevent Obama from undertaking policies that Congress doesn't like somehow equals Obama breaking a campaign pledge.

You are truly stupid.

 

[jonks]

I like how a proposed tax by Congress that Obama does not support, meant as an attempt to prevent Obama from undertaking policies that Congress doesn't like somehow equals Obama breaking a campaign pledge.

You are truly stupid.

lol, and that's why i don't /ignore him

 

[Fenixgoon]

Zebo show his confusion with, " Hearts and minds? Who gives a fuck? Did we worry about winning hearts and minds of Germans or Japanese? Or Sherman worry about the hearts of the southerners when scorch earthing across the South? I never heard, not once Roosevelt wanting to win hearts and minds. No he talked about killing them until they unconditionally surrendered."

And Zebo would be absolutely correct if this was still a war, but the war in Afghanistan is long over and the war in Iraq was won one a week.

The point being, both Afghanistan and Iraq are military occupations, and wars and military occupations are two totally separate things.

After all, what is the point of winning the war if you do not win the peace?

Perhaps most graphically shown in Afghanistan, because if we leave now, we will leave Afghanistan in basically the same shape as we found it, except Taliban prestige will be enhanced, US prestige will take a huge hit, and Pakistan will be less stable.

if you don't understand the difference between fighting a terrorist group and fighting a country, you won't understand why it's so much harder to "win" the former.

 

[Lemon law]

Fenixgoon shows his stupidity by saying, "if you don't understand the difference between fighting a terrorist group and fighting a country, you won't understand why it's so much harder to "win" the former."

At the end of the day, taking the capital of a given country may be equal to victory in a conventional war, but if the same problem just pops back up a decade or two later, such a victory means little.

After soundly defeating Germany in WW1, its something this country better understood when we had to fight the same battle in WW2.

And we under appreciate wise leaders like George Marshall and Harry Truman who understood that the resulting military occupations of Germany and Japan had to be done right.

Now our former enemies of Japan and Germany are now our allies, not because we beat the shit out of them in WW2, but because we let them up gently like Abraham Lincoln did.

Our mistake in WW1 was in not letting up Germany gently and now we make the same mistake in Afghanistan.

Like the man says, you can pay me now or pay me much more later.

A wisdom I doubt Fenixgoon will ever understand.

 

[sportage]

Regardless of all this, the whys, the why not’s, the opinions, I remember as if it were yesterday when Obama was in town on the campaign trail. He stood there if front of the crowd gathered, with his know it all assertive attitude, giving hell to Bush and demanding the war be ended and insisting this would be done on day one if elected.
Now...? WTF
Healthcare will not be Obama's Waterloo. Afghanistan will be his Waterloo.

This is sooooo Vietnam-ish, that its spookie.

 

[Vic]

Wars cost money? Un-way!!

 

[blackangst1]

Fenixgoon shows his stupidity by saying, "if you don't understand the difference between fighting a terrorist group and fighting a country, you won't understand why it's so much harder to "win" the former."

At the end of the day, taking the capital of a given country may be equal to victory in a conventional war, but if the same problem just pops back up a decade or two later, such a victory means little.

After soundly defeating Germany in WW1, its something this country better understood when we had to fight the same battle in WW2.

And we under appreciate wise leaders like George Marshall and Harry Truman who understood that the resulting military occupations of Germany and Japan had to be done right.

Now our former enemies of Japan and Germany are now our allies, not because we beat the shit out of them in WW2, but because we let them up gently like Abraham Lincoln did.

Our mistake in WW1 was in not letting up Germany gently and now we make the same mistake in Afghanistan.

Like the man says, you can pay me now or pay me much more later.

A wisdom I doubt Fenixgoon will ever understand.

But we arent at war with Afghanistan...

 

[Jhhnn]

But we arent at war with Afghanistan...

After the way the Bush Admin has handled the situation, we're pretty much at war with a fair % of the population, puppet govt notwithstanding...