Democrats to fence (wall) off convention center

[ivwshane]

My name is nowhere in the article.

Jim

So you are going with being an idiot? Just as I thought.

 

[xgsound]

Still waiting for the OP to tell us he knows the difference between a wall and a fence. Hint: There is already a fence in place and no matter how hard you tried in your subject line to make them the same thing (Why else would you post this silly thread in the first place), a fence and a wall are two different things...

There is not a fence across the entire southern border so there is not one in place. As some have stated, a fence alone would be ineffective across 2000+ miles, but can be effective in a several block area.
The different areas require different actions for the same level of security.

Jim

 

[Phynaz]

You aren't very smart are you? Dems advocate for gun reform, not gun abolishment. They are against the wrong people having guns not against everyone having guns.

Perhaps its time to leave your bubble, your argument is idiotic.

Who gets to decide who the "wrong" people are?

I can't believe you can't see where that would lead.

 

[xgsound]

So you are going with being an idiot? Just as I thought.

I'm going to let your comment sink or swim on it's own.

Jim

 

[jackstar7]

wrong thread

 

[umbrella39]

There is not a fence across the entire southern border so there is not one in place. As some have stated, a fence alone would be ineffective across 2000+ miles, but can be effective in a several block area.
The different areas require different actions for the same level of security.
Jim

There is also not one planned to be around the entire Wells Fargo Center. I mean, I get what you were trying to do... Wall=Fence=Dems=Hypocrites but it fell short of the mark...

 

[xgsound]

There is also not one planned to be around the entire Wells Fargo Center. I mean, I get what you were trying to do... Wall=Fence=Dems=Hypocrites but it fell short of the mark...

The article opens up about "no-scale fencing" to enclose the Center, but that doesn't mean it is correct.

Why on Earth would they put up part of a fence? That would be really stupid. I am not at all against the convention (either one) having effective security. In fact, I'm all for it. Their security is far more important than any hypocrite observation.

Jim

 

[ivwshane]

Who gets to decide who the "wrong" people are?

I can't believe you can't see where that would lead.

Well, the current consensus seems to be felons or people with a violent background and the mentally unstable.

 

[rudder]

We need physical barriers...

https://youtu.be/_uXJ1mgkyF0

 

[bozack]

You aren't very smart are you? Dems advocate for gun reform, not gun abolishment. They are against the wrong people having guns not against everyone having guns.

Perhaps its time to leave your bubble, your argument is idiotic.

this is bullshit and you know it, progressives argue for all out gun bans and frequently champion places like England and Australia...Democrats advocate for more useless regulations to further encumber the law abiding owners so that they can start down the path to removing firearm access from citizens

Just imagine what happens if Hitlery goes forward with her talking points plan of opening up gun manufacturers to lawsuits when their products are used in attacks.....effectively will become a gun ban as manufacturers will be financially decimated.

 

[ivwshane]

this is bullshit and you know it, progressives argue for all out gun bans and frequently champion places like England and Australia...Democrats advocate for more useless regulations to further encumber the law abiding owners so that they can start down the path to removing firearm access from citizens

Just imagine what happens if Hitlery goes forward with her talking points plan of opening up gun manufacturers to lawsuits when their products are used in attacks.....effectively will become a gun ban as manufacturers will be financially decimated.

Its not in their party platform, it's not on hillarys policy positions and none of the Democrat presidential candidates ran on it so no, I'd say your claim is bullshit. Does that mean there isn't a Democrat out there that supports an out right ban? Of course not but that's like saying Republicans support pedophilia because some do.

 

[bozack]

Its not in their party platform, it's not on hillarys policy positions and none of the Democrat presidential candidates ran on it so no, I'd say your claim is bullshit. Does that mean there isn't a Democrat out there that supports an out right ban? Of course not but that's like saying Republicans support pedophilia because some do.

http://thehill.com/regulation/26610...e-lawsuits-from-gun-violence-victims-dems-say

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34447239

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04...llowing-sandy-hook-families-sue-gunmaker.html

http://fortune.com/2015/10/05/hillary-clinton-gun/


say what now?.....

 

[ivwshane]

http://thehill.com/regulation/26610...e-lawsuits-from-gun-violence-victims-dems-say

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34447239

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04...llowing-sandy-hook-families-sue-gunmaker.html

http://fortune.com/2015/10/05/hillary-clinton-gun/


say what now?.....

I say you are drunk or a glutton for punishment.
My original statement:

Dems advocate for gun reform, not gun abolishment. They are against the wrong people having guns not against everyone having guns.

Thanks for proving my point with your citations

 

[Moonbeam]

Is there something in the water that makes a person think like this? You're a talking point personified.

"A wall can't stop everyone so there is no reason to build one. We are doing everything possible to secure our borders and there is nothing else to be done." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Pull the string on your neck and out it comes.

Where's that thread about the brain defect liberals have. Ah, here we go.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2476388

Restricting international trade and travel... Man, you guys smoke some good shit in your neck of the woods.

Actually he just did what anybody with a perspicacious understanding of how the world works would do, apply his knowledge and logic to explain to the more bimbo types what is wrong with their thinking. The great proportion of illegals are here not because they walked across the border illegally but because they overstayed their visas. What you need to argue is that the part of the problem of people walking over might be solved with a wall, but you know also there are ways to circumvent that. We could solve it, say with a police state or say credit cards that go in a machine with personal information and don't come out if a person is illegal and do away with cash. Or maybe the death penalty. You just have to decide what you would trade to satisfy your fears and rage.

 

[Phynaz]

Well, the current consensus seems to be felons or people with a violent background and the mentally unstable.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[ivwshane]

You didn't answer my question.

Because I don't know the answer. The way our government is setup we don't have a single person who gets to determine another person's fate, instead what we have is a system where multiple people weigh in and certain benchmarks must be met. I'm not sure why it would be any different than that.

 

[bozack]

I say you are drunk or a glutton for punishment.
My original statement:


Thanks for proving my point with your citations

so reform is allowing folks to sue gun manufacturers? tell me how that won't put them out of business or make them seriously reconsider selling in this country.

You're either an idiot or purposely in denial mode if you feel many democrats don't want an all out ban on firearms

 

[ivwshane]

so reform is allowing folks to sue gun manufacturers? tell me how that won't put them out of business or make them seriously reconsider selling in this country.

You're either an idiot or purposely in denial mode if you feel many democrats don't want an all out ban on firearms

Look in the mirror bub, you are projecting. Then when you are done with that look in a dictionary and learn the meaning of words.

 

[Phynaz]

Because I don't know the answer. The way our government is setup we don't have a single person who gets to determine another person's fate, instead what we have is a system where multiple people weigh in and certain benchmarks must be met. I'm not sure why it would be any different than that.

So you want guns out of the hands of the wrong people, but you don't know who those people are, who will make the determination, or how it will be determined.

You seem like an intelligent person, so I hope you realize the flaws in your position.

 

[ivwshane]

So you want guns out of the hands of the wrong people, but you don't know who those people are, who will make the determination, or how it will be determined.

You seem like an intelligent person, so I hope you realize the flaws in your position.

Uh, I already explained to you who the wrong people are and then I explained to you who would determine who the wrong people are and what that system would look like.

If you want more specifics then pay for my run for Congress.

What an idiotic counter argument you just made. Seriously!

 

[Knowing]

Hillary wouldn't give a straight answer about whether she recognized the 2nd amendment as an individual right (like the rest of the bill of rights, the supporting documentation, and SCOTUS decisions.) Few of the Democrats are going to say "okay, turn them in" outright, but people paying attention to words and deeds can easily parse the language.

 

[jackstar7]

Hillary wouldn't give a straight answer about whether she recognized the 2nd amendment as an individual right (like the rest of the bill of rights, the supporting documentation, and SCOTUS decisions.) Few of the Democrats are going to say "okay, turn them in" outright, but people paying attention to words and deeds can easily parse the language.

Words like militia?

 

[FerrelGeek]

You and I don't see eye to eye on much, but we do here. The political scene this election cycle has gotten way too far out of hand, ON BOTH SIDES.

This.

 

[Knowing]

Words like militia?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx23c84obwQ

Only if you are not so good with the English. If you have further evidence that the second amendment is intended to be the only collective right I'd love to read it.

http://thelawdictionary.org/arms/

This term, as it Is used in the constitution, relative to the right of citizens to bear arms, refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense.

Black's Law Dictionary*is the most widely usedlaw dictionary*in the United States. It was founded by*Henry Campbell Black*(1860–1927). It is the reference of choice for terms in*legal briefs*andcourt opinions*and has been cited as a*secondary legal authority*in many*U.S. Supreme Courtcases.

- wiki

Confusion about parsing the second amendment is entirely a late 20th century phenomenon enjoyed by people who know they can't get the votes for a repeal amendment.

 

[Phynaz]

Uh, I already explained to you who the wrong people are and then I explained to you who would determine who the wrong people are and what that system would look like.

If you want more specifics then pay for my run for Congress.

What an idiotic counter argument you just made. Seriously!

I wasn't arguing anything. But if my saying you seem like an intelligent person is "idiotic" of me, well them I won't argue against that position.