Democrats to fence (wall) off convention center

[Jhhnn]

we'll obviously need bunkers, too, just like in Albania.

 

[umbrella39]

republicans will let people open carry in their convention hall, right?

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[ivwshane]

Democrats believe in guns for their bodyguards and walls for their venues.
Plebs need not apply.

You aren't very smart are you? Dems advocate for gun reform, not gun abolishment. They are against the wrong people having guns not against everyone having guns.

Perhaps its time to leave your bubble, your argument is idiotic.

 

[Moonbeam]

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What would you expect? Do you think people want to focus on the fact that gun availability means every psycho in the US is armed to the teeth? Hell, who won't check his gun at the door when you know you're entering a place where everybody is disarmed like Democrats seem to want. Every cowboy that I know love a break from his constant vigilance and responsibility to be the guy who guns down the psycho that just let lose with a thousand rounds.

 

[Greenman]

So there's a well laid out plan for 'the wall', covering all costs, environmental impacts, property issues, materials and approvals from local governments? Do tell.

We both know there isn't a plan, and we both know that it's just another construction project. The technology has existed for thousands of years (google Great Wall of China), it's simply a matter of deciding to build it.

 

[xgsound]

I don't have an issue with this. Given how Drumpf and his brownshirts have altered this election cycles physical landscape, I can't fault people for wanting to enhance security. Doesn't take much to imagine this will result in fewer Drumpf supporters sucker punching guys or pepper spraying women in the face.

I see nothing wrong with enhanced security either. Are you saying you want the wall?

The part I find funny here is that the people they're worried about are not Trump Republicans at all. They are largely the same people that are causing trouble at Trump rallies.

Since you brought it up, the sucker punched guy was giving the fickle finger to a 70+ year old that took offence to it. 70 years ago that was an appropriate response. Additionally the pepper sprayed woman was assisting the person in a KKK outfit. Of course we can't allow that, but I understand. Also those people were arrested and it will be adjudicated. It would be more responsible if the rioters after Trump rallies were arrested en mass when they block traffic, break windows, attack people, and prevent people from going home. We should at least have a record of who is doing this. This should not be allowed to continue at any political rally.

Jim

 

[xgsound]

You aren't very smart are you? Dems advocate for gun reform, not gun abolishment. They are against the wrong people having guns not against everyone having guns.

Perhaps its time to leave your bubble, your argument is idiotic.

Link to Hillary position to adopt Australia's gun policy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-buybacks_us_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67


Link to democrat that thinks no one should have a gun and is not afraid to say so in public. http://freebeacon.com/politics/dnc-platform-committee-member-doesnt-think-anyone-gun/

Jim

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We both know there isn't a plan, and we both know that it's just another construction project. The technology has existed for thousands of years (google Great Wall of China), it's simply a matter of deciding to build it.

No, it's much more than a construction project, and we both know that as well. Comparing it to the Great Wall is laughable. China was an empire and gave zero fucks about their neighboring countries or about the properties that would be ruined by creating that wall, or by the environmental impact.
This is the 21st century, not 200 BCE, a few things have changed in 2200 years.

 

[Vic]

does a country have a right to borders?

does a country have a right to control who enters those borders?


Once you answer those questions you'll stop asking stupid ones.

These straw men are just absurd. Do you have any clue how many international flights come in and out of the US every single day? Thousands. And how many legal border crossings there are every single day? Millions. Every single day.
This issue isn't about 'enforcing our borders' or not. Our borders are enforced.

 

[xgsound]

Even in the 21st century a border that you can not or will not control is not yours at all, and you don't deserve that border either.
As examples I give you The Crimea and the new islands in the South China Sea.

Jim

 

[boomerang]

These straw men are just absurd. Do you have any clue how many international flights come in and out of the US every single day? Thousands. And how many legal border crossings there are every single day? Millions. Every single day.
This issue isn't about 'enforcing our borders' or not. Our borders are enforced.

And the estimated ten million here illegally? Did they just... materialize?

 

[boomerang]

That's a good point. How are the undocumented workers going to get in?

Exactly. The party should show the world how serious they are regarding their policies and forget the wall, forego security and make it an open convention where anyone can come in. Anything less is beyond hypocritical.

Backpacks, clocks of whatever variety, coolers wrapped in duct tape with wires hanging out and the bathrooms, now those had better be communal. Time to practice what they preach. If it's good for the rest of us it's just got to be good for their convention.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Exactly. The party should show the world how serious they are regarding their policies and forget the wall, forego security and make it an open convention where anyone can come in. Anything less is beyond hypocritical.

Backpacks, clocks of whatever variety, coolers wrapped in duct tape with wires hanging out and the bathrooms, now those had better be communal. Time to practice what they preach. If it's good for the rest of us it's just got to be good for their convention.

how's that open carry working at the rnc? has that been greenlit yet? I mean there will be thousands of 'good guys with guns' what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Vic]

And the estimated ten million here illegally? Did they just... materialize?

They came through because perfect enforcement of anything is impossible. Once again, thousands of planes and millions of legal border crossings.. every single day. It is simply inevitable that some would get through. And the reality is that most of them entered the country legally and then overstayed their visa.
A wall reaching halfway to the moon would do nothing to stop that. What we would have to do is largely restrict international trade and travel, which would be far more devastating to the economy than the illegals.

 

[boomerang]

how's that open carry working at the rnc? has that been greenlit yet? I mean there will be thousands of 'good guys with guns' what could possibly go wrong?

Is this some sort of argument because it sounds like something I used to hear when I was in grade school.

 

[boomerang]

They came through because perfect enforcement of anything is impossible. Once again, thousands of planes and millions of legal border crossings.. every single day. It is simply inevitable that some would get through. And the reality is that most of them entered the country legally and then overstayed their visa.
A wall reaching halfway to the moon would do nothing to stop that. What we would have to do is largely restrict international trade and travel, which would be far more devastating to the economy than the illegals.

Is there something in the water that makes a person think like this? You're a talking point personified.

"A wall can't stop everyone so there is no reason to build one. We are doing everything possible to secure our borders and there is nothing else to be done." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Pull the string on your neck and out it comes.

Where's that thread about the brain defect liberals have. Ah, here we go.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2476388

Restricting international trade and travel... Man, you guys smoke some good shit in your neck of the woods.

 

[ivwshane]

Link to Hillary position to adopt Australia's gun policy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-buybacks_us_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67


Link to democrat that thinks no one should have a gun and is not afraid to say so in public. http://freebeacon.com/politics/dnc-platform-committee-member-doesnt-think-anyone-gun/

Jim

I'm not sure what you think those links say other than you are an idiot with very poor reading comprehension, if you think they have anything to do with my comment or the post I was commenting on.

Because the first link was about an interaction with Clinton and an audience member who specifically asked about Australia buy back program to which Clinton responded that it was worth looking into. I'm sure in your circle, dismissing ideas on their face make for a solid base of information to create good policy but in my circle, having more data and looking at what has worked for other countries is just plain smart.

As for your second link (which says a lot about you), the committee member was talking specifically about her personal beliefs so I'm not sure what that has to do with Clinton or the Democrat platform.

 

[ivwshane]

Is this some sort of argument because it sounds like something I used to hear when I was in grade school.

Can we assume you are now in fourth grade because you made the exact same type of argument in this very thread.

I'm OK with the convention center being walled off. I'm OK with armed security too. But if they ask for ID to get in, well that's just plain going too far.

Hey, if you are a fourth grader then that explains a lot and I'll have no need to tell you just how fucking dumb you are.

 

[umbrella39]

Still waiting for the OP to tell us he knows the difference between a wall and a fence. Hint: There is already a fence in place and no matter how hard you tried in your subject line to make them the same thing (Why else would you post this silly thread in the first place), a fence and a wall are two different things...

 

[feralkid]

We both know there isn't a plan, and we both know that it's just another construction project. The technology has existed for thousands of years (google Great Wall of China), it's simply a matter of deciding to build it.

No plan?

Perhaps you should take a look at topographic maps of the southern border, then tell us it doesn't require a plan.

 

[Jhhnn]

Even in the 21st century a border that you can not or will not control is not yours at all, and you don't deserve that border either.
As examples I give you The Crimea and the new islands in the South China Sea.

Jim

As if those situations are vaguely comparable.

Why did the Ancient Chinese build the Great Wall? Because they were afraid. You know, of Mongol barbarians who really did come for the rape & rampage.

At the time, it was all technology allowed them. Today, we have much better technology & don't face the same kind of threat at all.

The whole wall concept is just an emotional security blanket. It really is. It's a symbol of fear, irrational xenophobic fear at that & an indicator that a lot of people are being played as chumps for Trump.

 

[jackstar7]

As if those situations are vaguely comparable.

Why did the Ancient Chinese build the Great Wall? Because they were afraid. You know, of Mongol barbarians who really did come for the rape & rampage.

At the time, it was all technology allowed them. Today, we have much better technology & don't face the same kind of threat at all.

The whole wall concept is just an emotional security blanket. It really is. It's a symbol of fear, irrational xenophobic fear at that & an indicator that a lot of people are being played as chumps for Trump.

To be fair, it is the most complex idea that Trump could manage.

 

[michal1980]

And the estimated ten million here illegally? Did they just... materialize?

they just teleported over. especially the young illegal kids.

 

[Vic]

Is there something in the water that makes a person think like this? You're a talking point personified.

"A wall can't stop everyone so there is no reason to build one. We are doing everything possible to secure our borders and there is nothing else to be done." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Pull the string on your neck and out it comes.

Where's that thread about the brain defect liberals have. Ah, here we go.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2476388

Restricting international trade and travel... Man, you guys smoke some good shit in your neck of the woods.

I'm sorry that you seem incapable of understanding it, but my argument is that the cost/benefit ratio is poor. A more cost effective plan IMO would be to beef up security at customs and border crossings, and overhaul the visa policies.
This huge expensive wall is just going to be flown over or tunneled under. Or legally driven right through at a border crossing. That's just reality, not a talking point.

 

[xgsound]

I'm not sure what you think those links say other than you are an idiot with very poor reading comprehension, if you think they have anything to do with my comment or the post I was commenting on.

My name is nowhere in the article.

Jim