Democrats screwed in 2012

[khon]

And I submit the true moderates are the ones in the middle; the country. Not Obama.

Agreed, which I why I equated Obama to a blue dog democrat, not an independent.

 

[MotF Bane]

Agreed, which I why I equated Obama to a blue dog democrat, not an independent.

Fair enough.

 

[Jaskalas]

Nice try, but it actually goes:

Of course you'd push big government Neocons far to the right up against small government Tea Party when the truth of the matter is the Necons have much more in common with big government liberals.

 

[umbrella39]

At this point I think the Democrat's only hope of holding the Presidency is if the Republicans are retarded and nominate Palin.

Really? Who can beat him other than her?

 

[CountZero]

Damn, even some Huffington Post posters are fed up with Obama

"With this President, I do believe my disillusionment is now complete. I seriously question, more than I ever have before, what the point is of voting for anything more broadly than local. grassroots issues. The fix is in, and whether we want to believe it or not, nobody is going to be successful bucking this system. There is too much money, too many interests, too much greed. If you're not already bought and paid for, you don't get to actually DO anything in politics other than what the money wants you to do. Anything outside that scope is verboten. How depressing. "


Keith Olberman is lashing out against Obama

Chris Matthews is lashing out against Obama

Jon Stewart is lashing out against Obama

Huffington Post crowd is lashing out against Obama

Never thought I'd see the day

I'm not terribly surprised. Liberals essentially drank the republican kool aid which was that he was a supremely far left liberal. The republicans said it because that gets their base all worked up, throw in the word socialism and you've cinched up and you've cinched up any small government advocates. The problem was the lefties took that rhetoric to heart and now are disappointed he's the moderate he said he was.

Being surprised by how he continues the Bush tradition of secrecy and executive power is just funny. The day he voted for telco immunity it should have been obvious that he wasn't the liberal people had hoped for.

I abstained last election and unless the republicans put up a strong candidate I'll do the same this time. What I really don't want is republicans to have both congress and white house. I used to worry about dems having both but they have proven how clearly ineffectual they are even when they have the majority.

 

[Patranus]

Agreed, which I why I equated Obama to a blue dog democrat, not an independent.

How can you argue that Obama is a "blue dog" Democrat when he took the national debt from 10.6 trillion to 13.1 trillion in 16 months?

Jan 2001 = 5.6 trillion - BOOSH Takes Office
Jan 2005 = 7.5 trillion - BOOSH Takes Office Again
Jan 2007 = 8.6 trillion - Democrats Take Control
Jan 2009 = 10.6 trillion - Obama Takes Office
June 2010 = 13.1 trillion - Now

Sp, 3 trillion in 16 months or 5 trillion in 8 years?

 

[bamacre]

Of course you'd push big government Neocons far to the right up against small government Tea Party when the truth of the matter is the Necons have much more in common with big government liberals.

His problem is that he sees the political spectrum as linear when it certainly isn't.

 

[bamacre]

He is siding with the "progressives"

Only a moron could come to that conclusion. You couldn't be more wrong.

Progressives have been getting NOTHING from Obama. No health care public option. No ending of the wars. No ending of the Bush domestic terrorism policies.

 

[bamacre]

How can you argue that Obama is a "blue dog" Democrat when he took the national debt from 10.6 trillion to 13.1 trillion in 16 months?

Jan 2001 = 5.6 trillion - BOOSH Takes Office
Jan 2005 = 7.5 trillion - BOOSH Takes Office Again
Jan 2007 = 8.6 trillion - Democrats Take Control
Jan 2009 = 10.6 trillion - Obama Takes Office
June 2010 = 13.1 trillion - Now

You assume "blue dog democrat" means "fiscally responsible Democrat." You see this because you think Republicans are fiscally responsible. You pretty much see what you want and ignore reality.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Bush got re-elected. That proves that ANYTHING can happen.

Correct, and as I always remind people, Bush 41 had around a 90% approval rating with a litte more than 18 months to go before the '92 election, and Clinton managed to win. Anything can happen and it is far too early to write Obama off or similarly, to write him in as a lock for a two-term president.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Republicans will probably recruit Tony Hayward though.

Yeah, with either Palin or "Brownie" as his VP.

 

[sandorski]

Obama inherited an absolutely craptacular situation and thus hasn't had the luxury of implementing an agenda of his own choosing. He did manage to get HC Reform passed, which is a big accomplishment in itself, but if the Economy wasn't so fucked he could have done more by now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The two major parties have a remarkable record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

The Dems should have trounced in the second election, but they managed to find a candidate who couldn't give us a reason to vote for him other than he wasn't Bush. It was felt that was sufficient, but no it wasn't.

Hubris cripples the Dems, and incompetence the Reps. It's just a matter of who can out-screwup who.

 

[Carmen813]

I don't understand how you can say this is a conservative country when most of the time more than 50% don't even bother to vote. I'd say we have no real clue what American's political ideology is, other than apathetic. Obama's policies have been closer to blue dog democrats than to progressives for the most part. That is why the far left is upset with him.

I've been happy with Obama's approach to foreign policy and health care. I've been unhappy with his approach towards civil liberties, though I think mostly it's a result of being unable to get what he wants to do through Congress. I'm glad to see DADT is likely to be repealed. Expanded use of drone strikes is something I am ...undecided about.

In terms of national deficit and debt, neither party has a solution, and I sincerely doubt the tea party candidates would act any differently. Most of them are just opportunists, which is fine, but if you even scratch past the surface of their fiscal policy stances you can see what will end up happening.

Honestly though, it's all bullshit. Republicans made a calculated decision immediately after November 2008 to not work with the new President and Democrats. Both sides are to blame, but I sincerely doubt there is anything that could have been done that would have changed the way the situation is now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Obama inherited an absolutely craptacular situation and thus hasn't had the luxury of implementing an agenda of his own choosing. He did manage to get HC Reform passed, which is a big accomplishment in itself, but if the Economy wasn't so fucked he could have done more by now.

Oh please, cut out the apologies.

Was he forced to broaden bad policies that Bush implemented? No, but he did it. Not just continue, but increase? No.

Could he have investigated what happened with Iraq to begin with? Sure. He's remained silent. Could he have come up with his epiphany about energy before the spill? Sure.

Stewart nailed him spot on. He's a fake as proven by his actions vs his words.

And lest you decide to pull the "well all you Bush supporters would say this" you'll find that I was against many of the former President's policies when the Left was embracing them, just as you do Obama now.

Your contention is demonstrably absurd on the face of it.

 

[Carmen813]

Oh please, cut out the apologies.

Was he forced to broaden bad policies that Bush implemented? No, but he did it. Not just continue, but increase? No.

Could he have investigated what happened with Iraq to begin with? Sure. He's remained silent. Could he have come up with his epiphany about energy before the spill? Sure.

Stewart nailed him spot on. He's a fake as proven by his actions vs his words.

And lest you decide to pull the "well all you Bush supporters would say this" you'll find that I was against many of the former President's policies when the Left was embracing them, just as you do Obama now.

Your contention is demonstrably absurd on the face of it.

Obama's stance on energy was present a long time ago, at least since 2006. Cap & Trade passed last year in the House. It's been stuck in the Senate, so I wouldn't call it an epiphany. Mainly he is trying to capitalize on the disaster to push his energy initiative forward, but I don't think it will work. If American's don't realize that getting so much of our oil resources from the Middle East is probably not in our long term security interests, nothing will.

Really my biggest problem with him is not pushing forward on habeus corpus or reigning in drone strikes (which have increased dramatically).

 

[Patranus]

I don't understand how you can say this is a conservative country when most of the time more than 50% don't even bother to vote. I'd say we have no real clue what American's political ideology is, other than apathetic.

 

[Carmen813]

Given that I know more about statistics and polling methodology than how to read a graph, my point remains. The vast majority of Americans do not pay attention to politics closely, and even fewer could reached an informed opinion about what it means to be Conservative, Liberal, or Moderate. Simply put, those labels are inadequate. Factor in the fact that to call yourself "liberal" is taboo due to the incredible effectiveness of the GOP smear machine, and I remain unconvinced.

 

[sandorski]

Oh please, cut out the apologies.

Was he forced to broaden bad policies that Bush implemented? No, but he did it. Not just continue, but increase? No.

Could he have investigated what happened with Iraq to begin with? Sure. He's remained silent. Could he have come up with his epiphany about energy before the spill? Sure.

Stewart nailed him spot on. He's a fake as proven by his actions vs his words.

And lest you decide to pull the "well all you Bush supporters would say this" you'll find that I was against many of the former President's policies when the Left was embracing them, just as you do Obama now.

Your contention is demonstrably absurd on the face of it.

No apologies given.

 

[nick1985]

Given that I know more about statistics and polling methodology than how to read a graph, my point remains. The vast majority of Americans do not pay attention to politics closely, and even fewer could reached an informed opinion about what it means to be Conservative, Liberal, or Moderate. Simply put, those labels are inadequate. Factor in the fact that to call yourself "liberal" is taboo due to the incredible effectiveness of the GOP smear machine, and I remain unconvinced.

Is that why you guys started calling yourselves progressives?

 

[MotF Bane]

His problem is that he sees the political spectrum as linear when it certainly isn't.

I would argue it is a circle, and if you go far enough to the right or the left, you'll end up at the same point - absolute government, with whatever name for it you wish.

 

[Lemon law]

I have two comments.

1. Why are we talking about 2012 when we need to be talking about the mid-term elections of 11/2010 that will significantly change the playing field.

2. The GOP's worst nightmare is to be caught in a leadership position. Then they will gasp have to assume the responsibility for failed decisions.
Right now the GOP has no workable programs, realistic platform, and its fresh in the American voter's mind that it was the GOP the crashed the American economy in 2008. Giving the GOP another sure chance to crash the American economy again, will end the GOP as a political force.

 

[Craig234]

Only a moron could come to that conclusion. You couldn't be more wrong.

Progressives have been getting NOTHING from Obama. No health care public option. No ending of the wars. No ending of the Bush domestic terrorism policies.

We've been getting 'at least he doesn't do some of the horrible things a Republican would have'.

 

[dali71]

Right now the GOP has no workable programs, realistic platform, and its fresh in the American voter's mind that it was the GOP the crashed the American economy in 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related

That's Lemon lawl, always good for a laugh.

 

[SAWYER]

man I know politicians are full of BS, but My GAWD that woman takes the cake