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Democrats promise To Probe Bush

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conehead433

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This article doesn't even mention his total lack of respect for the laws he has signed into effect or the NSA spying. I'm not even going to suggest what he should be probed with.

Probe Promised
 
I always liked Nancy Pelosi...and I like her ever more now. She's taking the level headed, measured approach to this. If something comes out of these hearings, her approach and words now will go a long way towards dispelling the idea that the Dems are a bunch of wide-eyed fanatics...a point I'm sure the Republicans will flog like crazy.

I also like the fact that her (and Harry Reid) seem to understand the concept of checks and balances, that's a concept we seem to have lost in recent years.
 
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
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Until we stop electing idiots, yes.
 
Basically Bush has headed most probes off at the pass. Our main stream media has been gutless, most courts have lacked juristiction to review much of anything, the Repulican control of both congressional wings provide cover, and while many know this cannot last forever, the good times are still rolling--at exactly the same time many scandals are just starting to really surface.

The first real test may come this July when Spector, a Republican, will probe various administration claims about Presidential power and the hypothesised authority to only enforce laws the President agrees to enforce.

The outcome of that hearing and public reaction will likely determine if the Republican's will run with Bush or away from Bush in the O6 mid term elections.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
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Until we stop electing idiots, yes.
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Makes sense to me.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
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Until we stop electing idiots, yes.
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I would say 'until we stop voting like idiots'.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
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Until we stop electing idiots, yes.
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We can only elect the people who run. The people most qualified to run for leadership positions in this country won't. They either have too much power as they are, can't/won't take the paycut, don't want to deal with the inevitable anal probe the press is sure to give them or can't live up to the perfect ideals that either party demands.

This will be a bad example for some, but GWB almost lost the presidency because of a 25 year old DUI arrest. Clinton made his famous lame "I didn't inhale" line and caught hell for it. Who gives a sh|t?!? Why do I care that a 50-60 year old man had fun in his 20's? I'm closing in on 34 years old right now and I'd be the first to tell you that I'm nowhere near the person I was when I was 21. What does that have to do with me now? Nothing.

So what happens? We elect the person who is most able to hide their flaws. And what kind of person is best capable of hiding their flaws? Addicts, cheats and liars. And what do we have in congress... Patrick Kennedy... Addict. Tom Delay... Liar & Cheat. Cynthia McKinney... Liar. Bill Frist... Cheat. James Trafficant... Cheat. Ted Kennedy... Addict, Liar & Cheat. (Trifecta!) Randall Cunningham... Cheat. William Jefferson... Liar & Cheat. And on and on and fvcking on...

And that's just federal office. Then you have state politics! The crap in Ohio and Lousiana and pretty much everywhere else... We even imported it here when we promoted Murkowski from senator to governor.

Politics reminds me of the olympics. We all root for our team but at the same time we quietly ignore the fact that everyone who wins a gold medal cheated to get it. (If you think that any gold medalist is drug free you're kidding yourself - only the dumb ones get caught)

The natural athletes get left on the sidelines just like the real leaders can't win elections. Our system is built to where you have to cheat to win. And whoever is better at it wins. Cheating is just another part of the game. It's accepted and it sucks. But the sad truth is that the cheaters are way ahead of the people who are policing them. And when the cheaters retire they graduate to oversight positions.

And here we are.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Drill instructor taught me in boot camp;
"If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!"
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That's a little different. When your only goal is to come back alive you need to be able to think outside the box... fvck the rules. I agree with that. In combat there are no rules except the one that says come home in one piece.

"Better to be tried by 12 than be carried by 6" doesn't apply in the situations I listed above.
 
Get your facts straight.....the article does not say anything about any plans to impeach BUSH now or later....

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats will launch a series of investigations of the Bush administration if they take control of Congress in November but are not out to impeach President George W. Bush, a top Democrat said on Sunday.

What part of what I highlighted do you not comprehend????
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
Click to expand...

Until we stop electing idiots, yes.
Click to expand...

We can only elect the people who run. The people most qualified to run for leadership positions in this country won't. They either have too much power as they are, can't/won't take the paycut, don't want to deal with the inevitable anal probe the press is sure to give them or can't live up to the perfect ideals that either party demands.

This will be a bad example for some, but GWB almost lost the presidency because of a 25 year old DUI arrest. Clinton made his famous lame "I didn't inhale" line and caught hell for it. Who gives a sh|t?!? Why do I care that a 50-60 year old man had fun in his 20's? I'm closing in on 34 years old right now and I'd be the first to tell you that I'm nowhere near the person I was when I was 21. What does that have to do with me now? Nothing.

So what happens? We elect the person who is most able to hide their flaws. And what kind of person is best capable of hiding their flaws? Addicts, cheats and liars. And what do we have in congress... Patrick Kennedy... Addict. Tom Delay... Liar & Cheat. Cynthia McKinney... Liar. Bill Frist... Cheat. James Trafficant... Cheat. Ted Kennedy... Addict, Liar & Cheat. (Trifecta!) Randall Cunningham... Cheat. William Jefferson... Liar & Cheat. And on and on and fvcking on...

And that's just federal office. Then you have state politics! The crap in Ohio and Lousiana and pretty much everywhere else... We even imported it here when we promoted Murkowski from senator to governor.

Politics reminds me of the olympics. We all root for our team but at the same time we quietly ignore the fact that everyone who wins a gold medal cheated to get it. (If you think that any gold medalist is drug free you're kidding yourself - only the dumb ones get caught)

The natural athletes get left on the sidelines just like the real leaders can't win elections. Our system is built to where you have to cheat to win. And whoever is better at it wins. Cheating is just another part of the game. It's accepted and it sucks. But the sad truth is that the cheaters are way ahead of the people who are policing them. And when the cheaters retire they graduate to oversight positions.

And here we are.
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An insightful post. Anything else in this thread is superfluous.
 
In the USA Today, in a related article, Conyers specifically indicates that he will push for impeachment if the Dems get control.

Hopefully calmer heads will prevail.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
In the USA Today, in a related article, Conyers specifically indicates that he will push for impeachment if the Dems get control.

Hopefully calmer heads will prevail.
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link?
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
In the USA Today, in a related article, Conyers specifically indicates that he will push for impeachment if the Dems get control.

Hopefully calmer heads will prevail.
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What is wrong with investigating articles of impeachment of a President suspected of crimes against humanity and the Constitution? I am not saying he actually did anything, but at the very least they should thoroughly investigate it and prevent any future possibility of the same things happening, if they happened.

That is the nature of our country. If a President or another politician steps out of line, smack him down, pass new laws to prevent the same thing, and then move on.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...
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If they are doing their job ethically then they should have nothing to fear right?

 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Get your facts straight.....the article does not say anything about any plans to impeach BUSH now or later....

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats will launch a series of investigations of the Bush administration if they take control of Congress in November but are not out to impeach President George W. Bush, a top Democrat said on Sunday.

What part of what I highlighted do you not comprehend????
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You forgot that whenever the government says they will or will not do something, you have to apply the opposite what they said to find out their true intention. It's called lying.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" = I plowed her like there was no tomorrow.

"Mission Accomplished" = Now begins the longest war of this generation.

The list goes on. . .This is why it makes me so worried when I hear things like "We have no plans to invade Iran."
 
We can only hope that an investigation is carried out to determine the truth which this administration has been so secretive about. Unfortunately one of the first bills he signed was to make past presidents immune from revealing their secrets or the inner workings of their administration. So we may never know the truth.

I like this part - shows a level headed approach,
"I said we'd be having hearings on the war, we'd have hearings. But I don't see us going to a place of impeachment," Pelosi said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. "Investigation does not equate to impeachment. Investigation is the requirement of Congress. It is about checks and balances."





 
Heck....I'd run for president just for the benefits package you get when you get out. I sincerely hope their probe is also directed at Cheney. He's dirtier than Bush ever thought about being...
 
Democrats will promise anything they think will get them votes and do anything that gets them campaign contributions. These are never the same.

This is what makes them essentially Republicans.
 
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